Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 5

[Phoenix_Flare]

Thor's Rogue gallery isn't even that well known and Thor isn't a superhero team unlike the X-Men. As of now, Loki has been a Thor series supporting character, just like the likes of Hope in Scott movies, Bucky in Steve movies and Pepper in Tony movies. And that's just fine.

Unlike Magneto showing up in every X-Men: Subtitle movie only ruins the chances of the other X-Men/newer antagonist getting importance/screentime. He either got more screentime than Rogue, Scott, Jean and Ororo or he's sorta responsible for the defeat of the antagonist like Stryker in X2 by the Cerebro attack order, Shaw in 1st Class by the coin attack and Apocalypse in Apocalypse by betraying him.

Anyway unlike those MCU heroes in their solo films, X-Men have a bigger number of characters that they can utilize so there's really no need to feature Magneto and Mystique again and again. And at this point, a 7th movie for Magneto and Mystique is just too much. While the likes of Rogue, Kitty and Bobby are in limbo and Colossus is only appearing in Deadpool films from now on. Then created a new timeline only to waste Jubilee, Angel and Psylocke again? Yikes!

Say what you want about the MCU villains but at least they didn't try to make Loki and Bucky lead characters in more than 1 Avengers movie.

Amen to that brother! I mean how many times can we Magneto do the same thing over and over? And JLaw's Mystique does nothing for me I'm uninterested in the character. Judging from the end of Apocalypse they become good guys I think it's backtracking to make them villains again lol like what was the point of the FC trilogy!!!??? lol

 

[dax]

Amen to that brother! I mean how many times can we Magneto do the same thing over and over? And JLaw's Mystique does nothing for me I'm uninterested in the character. Judging from the end of Apocalypse they become good guys I think it's backtracking to make them villains again lol like what was the point of the FC trilogy!!!??? lol

Even I have to admit that it's time for Magneto and Mystique to take a back seat on this (same goes for Wolverine). They should all be left out of the film (Xavier being the only exception) so that other characters like Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, and Storm would have a better chance of having any development. This is supposed to be the X-men, not "Wolverine and friends", "Mystique and friends", nor "Magneto and friends".

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Say what you want about the MCU villains but at least they didn't try to make Loki and Bucky lead characters in more than 1 Avengers movie.

My only rebuttal is MCU usually kills the Villain.


I don't want Magneto to die... Just retreat to War Room X, Genosha or Asteroid M for a couple movies.


Mystique on the other hand.....

They should all be left out of the film (Xavier being the only exception)

Now that we got Professor Reyes... I'd like Xavier to spend some time in Shi'ar space after Dark Phoenix. And let Reyes & Beast run things. Hopefully they get together like in the comics. Beast deserves a win

 

[marvelrobbins]

1-wolverine isn't going to be in this film.they are relcuent to recast wolverine.and even so why too early for that.and even so wolverine is the most
popular x-man.a fact lost on some.and that was trie long before 2000

2-magneto has been aligned with x-men at times so he working with x-men wouldn't be invention of filmmakers

3-mystique well there is no defending her

There will always be some complaning about who gets focus even if kinberg
wasn't a hack.the odds are very good large part of dark phoenix will be set in outer space and xavier,magneto,and mystique will be leading them.without original cast the idea fox reneogrates with mcavoy,fassbender,and lawrence and keep them on earth while x-men into outer space is't realistic.the best to hope for is kinberg learned from singer and like in doofp past didn't have wolverine took film from first class cast that now they don't competly take film away from jean and cyclops.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I don't understand why you just can't let people speculate...

 

[psylockolussus]

My only rebuttal is MCU usually kills the Villain.

Well Fox isn't Innocent in that department too as i feel like Apocalypse should have been the next big bad that will appear in multiple films. And here we are back to Magneto and Mystique as the good guys...

At this point I am fed up with their direction and I'd rather see Sinister in a reboot.

 

[2kt09]

Well Fox isn't Innocent in that department too as i feel like Apocalypse should have been the next big bad that will appear in multiple films. And here we are back to Magneto and Mystique as the good guys...

Depends on how they could've utilized Apoc.
If they "Thanos" him, count me the **** out.

At least with Magneto, Mystique, and Stryker, they're doing something relevant with the rest of the cast throughout their multiple appearances.

 

[BeholdMe]

Well Fox isn't Innocent in that department too as i feel like Apocalypse should have been the next big bad that will appear in multiple films. And here we are back to Magneto and Mystique as the good guys...

At this point I am fed up with their direction and I'd rather see Sinister in a reboot.

You know I actually agree with you here. Im not hoping DP fails but if it does I wouldn't be sad because maybe they will finally listen and stop doing their own thing rather work with what works. If they nail the characterization and really limit Mags and Mystique if the rumors are indeed true it should be good.
I do want a reboot away from the structure that Singer used, but im holding out hope that they will get it right this time, which means actually bringing back and incorporating Jubilee into the movie and push Magneto and Mystique to the background or out since she has had no development in the franchise.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Judging from the end of Apocalypse they become good guys I think it's backtracking to make them villains again lol like what was the point of the FC trilogy!!!??? lol

I am fairly certain apocalypse decided their good or bad fate

I think the problem is people have a hard time seeing past them being bad guys and so they are always expecting something to sweep everything back round to that direction again.

But hey even the spider-man board is currently having the same issue as alot of people don't like that tony stark plays a big part in how spider-man got his suit and gadgets rather then making them himself.

 

[GuestStar2004]

3-mystique well there is no defending her

the best to hope for is kinberg learned from singer and like in doofp past didn't have wolverine took film from first class cast that now they don't competly take film away from jean and cyclops.

Learned from Singer? but there was already a script before Singer came onboard!!!!

You ever thought maybe wolverines part was already set way before Singers involvement?

 

[2kt09]

I am fairly certain apocalypse decided their good or bad fate

I think the problem is people have a hard time seeing past them being bad guys and so they are always expecting something to sweep everything back round to that direction again

But hey even the spider-man board is currently having the same issue as a lot of people don't like that tony stark plays a big part in how spider-man got his suit.

It goes beyond the suit.

Continuing with this example because nearly everyone even those who do have issues are expecting something to sweep everything back round to the direction of Spidey breaking away from Tony Stark as they're used to the direction of him as an independent superhero.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The consesus among X-MEN comic fans is that'd be a perfect team if it didn't have Mystique & Fantomex plus it's not even released yet anyways?

 

[GuestStar2004]

The consesus among X-MEN comic fans is that'd be a perfect team if it didn't have Mystique & Fantomex plus it's not even released yet anyways?

Thats fandom for ya.

The comics will continue to evolve, infact you are luck jubilee isn't a vampire in the movies

 

[JP]

I am a White male and I am still waiting to get everything I want... I must be doing something wrong.

This made me howl.

 

[BeholdMe]

Learned from Singer? but there was already a script before Singer came onboard!!!!

You ever thought maybe wolverines part was already set way before Singers involvement?

Not everyone is dismissing that Mystique has ever been an XMen on numerous occasions but still, this isn't a goody two shoes team shes on she still has that villainous edge which she doesn't have in the movies and the direction is not the same as it is when she is on a team of reformed baddies or those who have no problem killing. I'm looking forward to this book because I do enjoy comic Mystique but she is lacking what makes her interesting in the comics in the movies. The equivalent to her appearances in the movies she would be like Wolverine was on every team which isnt the case she appears every now and then with her own agenda not how she is handled in the movies.

 

[YoungBlood]

Thats fandom for ya.

The comics will continue to evolve, infact you are luck jubilee isn't a vampire in the movies

Hey, at least the comics try to move away from "90's mallrat with fireworks powers".

 

[def28]

The difference is the comics don't only put their priority focus on Mags, Prof X and Mystique.

The X-Men are not side players. They have obviously had their share of poor mistakes through the decades, but that doesn't somehow excuse the films for lack of development on characters they should have had more focus on for 2 decades now. Or for prematurely killing them or just having them be mutes.

If the comics treated all the characters like the films did then there would be no problem with audiences and fans expecting more.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

The difference is the comics don't only put their priority focus on Mags, Prof X and Mystique.

The X-Men are not side players.

They understand that they are just deflecting

 

[def28]

They understand that they are just deflecting

I'd hope so, at this point it's beyond obvious where the issues lay.

 

[henzINNIT]

My only rebuttal is MCU usually kills the Villain.

When you think about it, Fox is no better really. Shaw, Apocalypse, Stryker, Sabertooth, Toad, Deathstryke, Phoenix... they all met their demise in their first outing. It's only Magneto that survives every time, scewing the figures. I guess time travel has allowed some others to return as well.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The younger selves of Stryker, Sabertooth, and Toad have appeared in other films.

 

[def28]

When you think about it, Fox is no better really. Shaw, Apocalypse, Stryker, Sabertooth, Toad, Deathstryke, Phoenix... they all met their demise in their first outing. It's only Magneto that survives every time, scewing the figures. I guess time travel has allowed some others to return as well.

Without counting DOFP's future deaths, X-Men has killed off

Cyclops
Jean
Prof X (twice)
Psylocke
Banshee
Emma
Shaw
Darwin
Angel S
Azazel
Riptide
Apocalypse
Logan
Blob
Toad
Deathstryke
Stryker
Havok
Warren (possibly)

Amongst a few others...

At least half of those characters should have never been killed, and pretty much no one except for Logan reached their character potential. They have been far too trigger happy.

Marvel may have a problem killing their villains, but X-Men kills of their heros and villains very often. Many of them not getting much to leave behind in name of their characters. Which just makes Audiences forget them and leaves Fox with less marketable characters.

 

[terry78]

When it comes to comic books, the rules of the road are if there's no body, the person isn't 100% dead and I feel like the movies have tried to maintain that loophole. None of the deaths have ever been, "we see their corpse right here, confirmed kill."

 

[def28]

When it comes to comic books, the rules of the road are if there's no body, the person isn't 100% dead and I feel like the movies have tried to maintain that loophole. None of the deaths have ever been, "we see their corpse right here, confirmed kill."

Doesn't matter how they do it. A poor death or taking a character out of the situation still constitutes this as not handling things properly or just flat out poor writing that's a disservice to the characters. The effects are the same.

Havoks death in XMA was disrespectful and just flat out bad. Killing Emma off screen was dreadful as was Banshees. Taking Cyclops out of X3 the way they did was frustrating and full of studio politics who didn't care about the character or think he was important. Having Psylocke pop up in X3 for fans just to see her killed? WTF, seriously.

These characters are better then that, the creative heads are not thinking of their futures when this happens. They are simply getting them out of the way of their story, or using them as an excuse to motivate characters like Mystique, QS or Magneto. It's cheap, and an insult to the characters.

Pretty much none of those characters mentioned had deaths that were handled well or properly minus Logan. Which had weight and was properly built upon through numerous team films and solos. Heck even Caliban, had an emotional moment that was met with some satisfying revenge.

 

[psylockolussus]

Lol Mystique appearing in the newest volume of Astonishing X-Men doesn't justify the need of her appearing in her 7th X-Men film... While the likes of Psylocke, Bishop, Angel and Rogue are in limbo.

I do wonder if people actually read the comics. Mystique has never been a hero and she was despised by a lot of X-Men when she joined the team in the mid 2000s, only to betray them afterwards. She's been a villain for most of her comic book history and appearing in the new Astonishing X-Men doesn't justify her inclusion in Dark Raven... Most especially no one this board has read Astonishing (it would be out in July) to make claims.