Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 5

[GuestStar2004]

No you just defend her thinking she is going to appear at your place thanking you for always standing up for her which she isn't since she doesn't know you exist.

Oh isn't she? darn i guess i should just forget common sense.

Look i stuck up for hoults back in 2014 when people were crying about him being out of make up also because there is fair criticism and there is just being a big baby.

You just turn a blind eye to some of the complaints and place them all in the same box, everyone's complaint with her isn't only her being in every movie. Some are upset that she gets more facetime as Raven just to show her face to audience, Hoult has nothing to do with this because his part in the franchise is to small to matter, some are upset that she bad mouths a franchise she is apart and tells fans not to watch the movie but instead panders to be in GotG, some are upset about her constant complaining about the body paint in which they have accommodated her by given her a bodysuit so she would be good in which she is getting paid millions to do, some are upset that she just isn't the Mystique from the comics but simply acting as herself with her lackluster phoned in performances, some are upset because she isn't all that a great actress, and some even feel though she is a great actress this role just doesn't fit her, as well as some feeling she is slaying in the role. Do you understand that, does that help you see that people dont just dislike/like her for no reasons there are multiple reasons as to why. So stop acting like there is one reason or there is no reason for people to doubt or not be happy with her performance. My problem is she doesn't shine in the role as McAvoy and Fassbender does she gives off the impression that she does not care and just doing it for a check and the character deserves better than that, whether its the director not pushing her or what she just isnt good in the role at all. Does that help clarify or do you still think people don't like her in the role for no reason bodyguard.

I'l be honest reading certain parts of that... you just remind me why i do it.

Saying that she is constantly complaining about the make up... really? it might be knowledge she isn't fond of the make up but has she actually vocally loudly complained about it? or is that a misconception?

Also "tells fans not to watch the movie" when the hell did that happen?

Look if you don't like her in the role then thats fine... i wasn't fond of Halle berry in the role of storm but there is a point where alot of the criticism starts to sound silly

Its like if i started to obsess over berrys role in X3 because she was famous at the time and i decide that the only reason cyclops was killed in X3 is for halle berry to shine more... now either you will would think i am being paranoid or you will agree and we can be paranoid together!

 

[jaymes_e06]

I defend her because sometimes you guys just sound like you are so busy complaining within your box that you don't think outside of that box to actually question all sides of the situation

for example... most people think mystique shouldn't have been in X-Men apocalypse and instantly think its because its Jlaw that they forced her in the movie... ok but you do know that chances are she was put in FC with the family baggage and connections to probably be a fairly big part in the whole trilogy right?

Now i bring that up and its gonna be ignored because it ruins the idea that Jlaw is the one holding the series back rather than the idea the creative team think fondly of the character which they clearly do.

Maybe i am the only one who can see all these notable sides to the situation while everyone else is just concentrating on Jlaw the actress

 

[GuestStar2004]

TBH guys if it wasn't jlaw it would be someone else.

Over exaggeration is a well known trait of fandom.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'd like to see an X-Men movie where the actual X-Men are front and centre in the story.

Fox's approach to the franchise is looking rather weird. It's not what it says on the tin - it feels frustrating, leftfield and like a strange sideways look at the X-Men themselves.

I was rather hoping that Fox created Red Sparrow for J-Law as part of the process of reducing her presence in the X-Men but still keeping her within the fold.

Doesn't seem likely though. The execs and producers are focusing on the biggest names they have - I mean biggest name actors rather than characters. It shows complete unawareness of, or stubborn refusal to acknowlege, the source material. You can almost tell from the casting who they are focused on. Which probably means none of the young X-Men except Sophie Turner are guaranteed a decent arc or even to return.

Films such as Avengers, GoTG, and other ensemble franchises, succeed (and do far better than X-Men) because they focus on the classic characters the film is titled after.

X-Men will forever be the poor relation of the superhero adaptation world while it takes this bizarre approach in making the title characters into minor roles and wallpaper.

Roll on the Marvel reboot. And I never ever thought I'd be saying that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'd like to see an X-Men movie where the actual X-Men are front and centre in the story.

Fox's approach to the franchise is looking rather weird. It's not what it says on the tin - it feels frustrating, leftfield and like a strange sideways look at the X-Men themselves.

I was rather hoping that Fox created Red Sparrow for J-Law as part of the process of reducing her presence in the X-Men but still keeping her within the fold.

Doesn't seem likely though. The execs and producers are focusing on the biggest names they have - I mean biggest name actors rather than characters. It shows complete unawareness of, or stubborn refusal to acknowlege, the source material. You can almost tell from the casting who they are focused on. Which probably means none of the young X-Men except Sophie Turner are guaranteed a decent arc or even to return.

Films such as Avengers, GoTG, and other ensemble franchises, succeed (and do far better than X-Men) because they focus on the classic characters the film is titled after.

X-Men will forever be the poor relation of the superhero adaptation world while it takes this bizarre approach in making the title characters into minor roles and wallpaper.

Roll on the Marvel reboot. And I never ever thought I'd be saying that.

while certinly no fan of kinberg as director or his obsession with lawrence some very big flaws here.fox films are very director based.it was singer who decered to without original cast to pander to lawrence for apocalypse and it's now kinberg who may go overboard to pander to lawrence.

now people who think x-men is ever going to marvel are idiots.for starters apocalypse didn't bomb at all.add to that ww success of both deadpool and
logan.and fox isn't sony at all so enough of that fantasy.

if there is reboot of x-men it would be done by fox not disney.

and after all the craping marvel is doing on spide-rman to turn him into stark sidekick i am baffled by those who continue to call fox crap and say marvel crap gold.apart from them watering down deadpool x-men characters would not fit into the stark led mcu.

for all the moaning i have seen about changes to x-men related film i see blanted hypcrsy because spider-man homecoming has so many changes to point that many supporting characters are just as in name only as lawrence as mystique is.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Personally i think the whole focusing on the actors rather then the characters is just paranoia because the bigger names are playing characters that fans don't think should be getting the attention.

Even fassbender is getting it to a certain degree now with people saying magneto shouldn't even be in the story but he is being forced into it because its fassbender.

Magneto has been in every story since X1 whether its mckellen or fassbender so is it that they are forcing him in because its the actor or is it because they feel magneto is a big part of the film series and they feel should continue to be there? or is that something thats hard for fans to get their heads around?

This is not the comics, this is the film series and all the directors are obviously treating it like its own universe where they can do what they want with who they want.

I actually think FOX give the creative minds more freedom these days then they used too.

 

[GuestStar2004]

while certinly no fan of kinberg as director or his obsession with lawrence some very big flaws here.

How does he have an obsession with lawrence? what are you talking about?

it was singer who decered to without original cast to pander to lawrence for apocalypse and it's now kinberg who may go overboard to pander to lawrence.

Honestly i don't think Singer pandered to her enough then since she got no action in this movie and was taken out of the final battle so if you are gonna pander to someone do it right! :P

And we know singer is "obsessed" with the character because he has spoken about wanting a solo movie for the character

Not for lawrence but the character

 

[YoungBlood]

Personally i think the whole focusing on the actors rather then the characters is just paranoia because the bigger names are playing characters that fans don't think should be getting the attention.

Even fassbender is getting to a certain degree now with people saying magneto shouldn't even be in the story but he is being forced into it because its fassbender.

Magneto has been in every story since X1 whether its mckellen or fassbender so is it that they are forcing him in because its the actor or is it because they feel magneto is a big part of the film series and they feel should continue to be there?

This is not the comics, this is the film series and they are obviously treating it like its own universe where they can do what they want with who they want and i think when they make quicksilver an X-Man for example its something alot of people have a hard time getting their heads around.

I actually think FOX give the creative minds more freedom these days then they used too.

If they didn't, The Wolverine, DOFP, Deadpool, Apocalypse, Logan, Legion, and even probably the New Mutants would never existed or been made.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Exactly!

 

[Ryan1210]

Dark Phoenix got the Mad Max stunt team for action sequences!

http://omegaunderground.com/2017/06...es-mad-max-fury-road-stunt-team-going-cosmic/

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Dark Phoenix got the Mad Max stunt team for action sequences!

http://omegaunderground.com/2017/06...es-mad-max-fury-road-stunt-team-going-cosmic/

Old news.

 

[Ryan1210]

Old news.

Really? I just saw omega underground reported like a hour ago haha.

 

[NotNickFury]

Omega Underground must be playing catch-up, then.

 

[JP]

Yeah, I posted that like a month ago. Omega likes to report stuff that anyone with a keen eye can find online and then act like it's their exclusive.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You tell me to think but you don't think lol

If they were gonna do the whole world recognizes her and mutants are accepted thing she was gonna be out of make up a fair bit anyway

Well unless the whole idea was done just for Jlaw and Singer and Kinberg has zero creative interest in the matter which i am sure you might think that because you also got paranoid Jlaw was the reason rogue was cut from DOFP.

LOL Seriously dude.

You really think back in 2014 or 2011 that they already knew they were gonna do “the whole world recognizes her and mutants are accepted shtick” and that’s why they had her appear as JLaw as much as possible?

From a series that couldn’t even properly plan out a storyline where Wolverine loses his Adamantium claws one year only to have it back the next without explanation or the proper usage of Caliban.

One word, five letters: THINK.

In terms of the "put her foot down" thing, well as you admitted a while ago she might have been joking with the dry sense of humor of hers but then maybe she wasn't and she really did put her foot down giving Singer and Kinberg no creative choice in the matter... Well unless its every other unusually decision thats made and criticized... Which i am sure doesn't count because those things really were probably actually decided in the story and script writing process.

JLaw is just so blameless. Amirite??

Of course Singer and Kinberg have creative choice in the matter, it's ultimately up to them what to do with the script, characters etc. But you saying that the highest paid actress has NO SAY in the matter, and is just a Yes Woman is just ridiculous.

 

[GuestStar2004]

But you saying that the highest paid actress has NO SAY in the matter, and is just a Yes Woman is just ridiculous.

its that logic that starts out into small doses but usually turns into full blown paranoia of Jlaw demanding everything or everything being written around her.

Her role in X-Men: Apocalypse wasn't that exciting.

 

[EnDz0n3]

No one is saying she’s demanding everything. Now who’s paranoid…

But the fact that you refuse to see that she’s demanding in this ONE regard (costume) after she’s told us as much says everything about your denial.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Most X-men fans would envy a role such as hers for their favorite characters.

 

[2kt09]

Most X-men fans would envy a role such as hers for their favorite characters.

They'd envy the screentime. Her role has been hotly debated.

 

[marvelrobbins]

LOL Seriously dude.

You really think back in 2014 or 2011 that they already knew they were gonna do “the whole world recognizes her and mutants are accepted shtick” and that’s why they had her appear as JLaw as much as possible?

From a series that couldn’t even properly plan out a storyline where Wolverine loses his Adamantium claws one year only to have it back the next without explanation or the proper usage of Caliban.

One word, five letters: THINK.



JLaw is just so blameless. Amirite??

Of course Singer and Kinberg have creative choice in the matter, it's ultimately up to them what to do with the script, characters etc. But you saying that the highest paid actress has NO SAY in the matter, and is just a Yes Woman is just ridiculous.

i can;t see how we are debating this.lawrence said she put her foot about makeup.hench she is out of it over 90% of the time.singer and kinberg of course would never say reason why she realy is out of makeup.

as for context of film i argured jean was the real important female role in apocalypse.she didn't even really have fight scene.

if lawrence in dark phoenix becomes reality it will probaly be because of money.i don't understand why kinberg wants her back.and who knows what film would be like to accomnate her.

 

[EnDz0n3]

They'd envy the screentime. Her role has been hotly debated.

Beast, Cyclops and Storm would envy her role as the leader and the one barking orders in the mission in Egypt and at the end.

The above three plus:
Psylocke
Angel
Jubilee
Gambit
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Bishop
Iceman
Polaris
Havok
Nightcrawler
Kitty
Colossus
Banshee
Thunderbird
Sunfire
Dazzler
Thunderbird
Rogue
Longshot
Forge
Cannonball
Marrow
Maggott

…envy her screentime in the 6 films in the series.

Anyone wanna continue the list? I’m busy at work LOL

 

[GuestStar2004]

if lawrence in dark phoenix becomes reality it will probaly be because of money.i don't understand why kinberg wants her back.and who knows what film would be like to accomnate her.

Funny part is that if Mystique was already written in the script and they didn't even negotiate anything with jlaw yet... that means either hey are fully convinced Jlaw will be back... or they will recast lol

I actually would like to see them recast just to see people's reactions to it because so many people see it as Jlaw being the only reason Mystique is there but given the actions of what bryan and kinberg did with the end of Apocalypse and Singers talk of a Mystique solo movie with or without Jlaw... Yeaaaaah.

Could it be they want the character in the movie? nah clearly kinbergs obsessed with lawrence.

 

[2kt09]

Beast, Cyclops and Storm would envy her role as the leader and the one barking orders in the mission in Egypt and at the end.

The above three plus:
Psylocke
Angel
Jubilee
Gambit
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Bishop
Iceman
Polaris
Havok
Nightcrawler
Kitty
Colossus
Banshee
Thunderbird
Sunfire
Dazzler
Thunderbird
Rogue
Longshot
Forge
Cannonball
Marrow
Maggott

…envy her screentime in the 6 films in the series.

Anyone wanna continue the list? I’m busy at work LOL

meh, still cheerleader.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Beast, Cyclops and Storm would envy her role as the leader and the one barking orders in the mission in Egypt and at the end.

The above three plus:
Psylocke
Angel
Jubilee
Gambit
Jean Grey
Emma Frost
Bishop
Iceman
Polaris
Havok
Nightcrawler
Kitty
Colossus
Banshee
Thunderbird
Sunfire
Dazzler
Thunderbird
Rogue
Longshot
Forge
Cannonball
Marrow
Maggott

…envy her screentime in the 6 films in the series.

Anyone wanna continue the list? I’m busy at work LOL

Dammit i wish it was maggott who was the leader!!

 

[EnDz0n3]

meh, still cheerleader.

Logic: Mystique sucked in X-men Apocalypse and they don't know what to do with the character. We should have her back for X-men Dark Phoenix.