Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 5

[Frankeh]

As for mystique/Jlaw i still say the fans are more obsessed with her than what they believe the studio is because you can make out everything they do is to kiss jlaws ass but truth be told if the character is already in the script and they don't know if she will be back... well that says alot about character vs actress.

I think its really telling Kinberg has gone on record saying he would do a FF sequel just because he really likes the cast. Never mind that investing in that would be the equivalent of throwing money away.

He's a stubborn guy and puts his preferences over anything else. Like when he thought he was improving FF until the movie came out.

 

[The Guard]

I think the only way they can redeem Mystique being in this movie is if they explore the mother side of the character, it's something they've never done on the big screen and can actually put Jennifer's talents on display. If not then they should get rid of her because she's far too over exposed in these films.

If rumors about young Rogue pan out, it makes sense.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Never mind 'hero', for her to lead the team and be barking orders was quite enough.

You wouldn't be saying that if the 'hero' thing had happened

Infact the reaction would probably have been way worse but because it didn't happen no one even noticed.

JLaw is not getting paid 20 million for a glorified cameo.

Most Celebs ain't paid 20 million for a cameo, thats what negotiations are for and if they fall through because you can't come to an arrangement than thats just how it works

But i will say that the idea they wouldn't recast is just silly.

He's a stubborn guy and puts his preferences over anything else.Like when he thought he was improving FF until the movie came out.

Sounds like a fan to me.

 

[GuestStar2004]

edit.

 

[Frankeh]

Sounds like a fan to me.

So he gets a pass from you and fanboys don't?

That's some logic there t:.

 

[X-Maniac]

You wouldn't be saying that if the 'hero' thing had happened

Infact the reaction would probably have been way worse but because it didn't happen no one even noticed.

Of course it would have been way worse. That's why I said seeing her lead the team and then bark orders at the end was quite enough.

 

[BeholdMe]

I really don't see them having Magneto do villainess again when you already have quicksilver to give him a purpose to be there.

As for mystique/Jlaw i still say the fans are more obsessed with her than what they believe the studio is because you can make out everything they do is to kiss jlaws ass but truth be told if the character is already in the script and they don't know if she will be back... well that says alot about character vs actress.

I remember before apocalypse come out there was that false leak on reddit of what happens in apocalypse, presumably written by a fan that studied the trailers like crazy, it wasn't too fanservice and it had mystique involved in tricking apocalypse at the end and in so taking him down

Now whats interesting about that is the fans mind set over the creative team mind set, yes a fan assumes they there is no doubt she would be the hero while the creative team took her out of play in the final take down of apocalypse.



Seems a logical possibility if Young Rogue is in the movie.



She wouldn't even be playing the OT mystique anymore, she would be more her character from the librarians show.

Of course you would because her biggest fan, how about stop placing everyone who dislikes her in the same category. Some people are simply hating, some feel she is just a terrible actress and in regards not the right fit for Mystique in which she basically only plays one version of Raven. If they wrote Mystique in the script its more than likely they were fighting to get JLaw back and decisions like this are what really hold back the franchise. Their foolish because she bring nothing to the table and its sad they keep bringing back a person who could care less about a character and the franchise. If they had decided to just recast, since Mystique is a shapeshifter I wouldn't have been to upset especially since most of the time its just JLaw not even painted blue, the only form she uses is that one. I just hope for more news with the movie to change my outlook, so far im really losing interest in the movie week by week.

 

[The Guard]

The smart move for Fox would be to have Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence in supporting roles, and use their names to sell the film, but still potentially save some money.

I think Mystique was meant to be more of a drill sergeant than an outright field leader based on the end of APOCALYPSE. Though we could see a scenario where Mystique is indeed a field leader, and Scott develops into one over the course of the next film. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Scott had a three film arc about developing and improving as a leader.

There are all kinds of options. From a story standpoint, it's not surprising that they wouldn't completely jettison Mystique after spending three films showing her break and return to the X-Men. She's essentially become an audience identification character, whether fans like it or not.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Of course you would because her biggest fan, how about stop placing everyone who dislikes her in the same category. Some people are simply hating, some feel she is just a terrible actress and in regards not the right fit for Mystique in which she basically only plays one version of Raven. If they wrote Mystique in the script its more than likely they were fighting to get JLaw back and decisions like this are what really hold back the franchise. Their foolish because she bring nothing to the table and its sad they keep bringing back a person who could care less about a character and the franchise. If they had decided to just recast, since Mystique is a shapeshifter I wouldn't have been to upset especially since most of the time its just JLaw not even painted blue, the only form she uses is that one. I just hope for more news with the movie to change my outlook, so far im really losing interest in the movie week by week.

If people stopped over reacting then it wouldn't seem so face palmingly easy to put people in the same category.

And yeah sure I am her biggest fan! Not seen most of her movies but totally her biggest fan... Or what I am saying is just common sense that anyone could figure out if they took a moment to think about it.

As for writing her in the script being just them fighting to get her back... Or maybe they wanted mystique in the movie? But I guess that's totally impossible and it's not just fans totally obsessing.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

As for writing her in the script being just them fighting to get her back... Or maybe they wanted mystique in the movie? But I guess that's totally impossible and it's not just fans totally obsessing.

As long as they keep making Mystique a main character fans will hate it. Point blank period

 

[GuestStar2004]

It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Scott had a three film arc about developing and improving as a leader.

I'd be fine with that because I don't want him to be the default leader just because the comics say he has to have that role as i doubt it would make anyone give a crap about him.

 

[magneto23]

I'm sure this has been brought up before and it involves some big ifs at this point. But what if Rogue and Gladiator are in DP? That's a pretty golden opportunity for her to finally get flight and strength right? Is FOX even allowed to pull that off considering the rights and all that legal business? Would you even want to see this?

 

[GuestStar2004]

They may cast her abit Young for that.

 

[anthony1111]

Mystique is one of my all time favourite comic book characters, I'd rather see her kicking ass and taking names in the name of the brotherhood rather than see her become the blue Katniss. It's not that I have anything against Jennifer, the character in general is wrongly written. I am really surprised that X-Men has been going for almost twenty years and they haven't yet explored Mystique's family.

 

[BeholdMe]

If people stopped over reacting then it wouldn't seem so face palmingly easy to put people in the same category.

And yeah sure I am her biggest fan! Not seen most of her movies but totally her biggest fan... Or what I am saying is just common sense that anyone could figure out if they took a moment to think about it.

As for writing her in the script being just them fighting to get her back... Or maybe they wanted mystique in the movie? But I guess that's totally impossible and it's not just fans totally obsessing.

Please Dont place me in that category because my reasons are not like everyone else's. Im a fan of some actresses i consider my fav and I haven't seen everything there in the only artists I actually follow are in music. You miss the point of what I say so then you want to resort to rude comments. IM not bashing her as a person at all just questioning her role in the movie. I said I didnt want JLaw back did you just ignore that I said if they recast her I would be ok, did you not see I said I just dont want these two back to take screentime from the up and coming XMen but if they could make it work or gave them supporting roles im ok. I also stated that I want news because with what im hearing so far it is making me nervous. The thing im saying is I want the full focus on the XMen this time, I want all the XMen to get PROPER development which isnt to much to ask at all, as I said the news so far is scaring me and im trying not to have a meltdown lol.

 

[BeholdMe]

Mystique is one of my all time favourite comic book characters, I'd rather see her kicking ass and taking names in the name of the brotherhood rather than see her become the blue Katniss. It's not that I have anything against Jennifer, the character in general is wrongly written. I am really surprised that X-Men has been going for almost twenty years and they haven't yet explored Mystique's family.

I love when they actually have her blue kicking butt, if they limit how much time she is out of blue makeup and give her a supporting role with some nice action scenes I can handle that. Though sadly I don't think they plan on making Mystique and Mags villains right off again.
Sidenote: The person saying would it be nice to have both Rogue and Gladiator in it for her to take his powers and get that power set. I think if Rogue is in it she may be quite young, also if they are using Raven to bring in Rogue with Destiny that would make me happy because its close to how the comics did it. Just give me my XMen shine.

 

[anthony1111]

I'm hoping it is just a glorified cameo Jennifer herself said that she didn't really want to play the character again before changing her mind and remaining undecided, she seems to get on well with the cast and crew and have tonnes of fun but I don't think she likes making these films, she certainly doesn't like being front and centre of them from the impression she gives.

If she's in the movie for a glorified cameo to introduce Rogue into the team then that's great, I feel like Rogue is going to be a supporting character in the movie because Hutch Parker seems to think she is central to the story somehow (although I don't recall her even being in the Phoenix Saga). From the leaked audition Rogue is going to be very young maybe under 10, but we had Dafne Keen as X23 so I don't have any worries there.

 

[BeholdMe]

I'm hoping it is just a glorified cameo Jennifer herself said that she didn't really want to play the character again before changing her mind and remaining undecided, she seems to get on well with the cast and crew and have tonnes of fun but I don't think she likes making these films, she certainly doesn't like being front and centre of them from the impression she gives.

If she's in the movie for a glorified cameo to introduce Rogue into the team then that's great, I feel like Rogue is going to be a supporting character in the movie because Hutch Parker seems to think she is central to the story somehow (although I don't recall her even being in the Phoenix Saga). From the leaked audition Rogue is going to be very young maybe under 10, but we had Dafne Keen as X23 so I don't have any worries there.

In the comics Rogue wasnt apart of the DPS, but she was in the TAS lol which does confuse people at times. I really having no problem at all if thats how they plan on using Mystique, I do wish we could at least get a teen Rogue with a bad attitude or even if they battle her before she joins the team. I want the brawler version though. I wasnt a fan of Keen as X23 I wanted someone a bit older.

 

[Matt.S99]

Where did this Rogue rumour come from?

 

[psylockolussus]

Casting sheets.

 

[Matt.S99]

Where did this Rogue rumour come from?

 

[Frankeh]

I'd be fine with that because I don't want him to be the default leader just because the comics say he has to have that role as i doubt it would make anyone give a crap about him.

It literally took one movie for Charles to become Professor X and have an X-Men team and Erik to become Magneto, the mutant supremacist with a formed Brotherhood. It was called X-Men: First Class.

And yet you want to force on people three movies for Cyclops to develop one of his known character traits?

Not to mention, I've been told many times there is no rushing in Dark Phoenix, everything can get done in one movie. Yet, now the narrative is no need to rush Cyclops' leadership, it can be spread to three movies?

This board really does my head in sometimes. And I'm sorry, but this argument just reeks of trying to stick one in to fanboys who complain about Cyclops, or Mystique, or anything really. Y'all just can't fathom the filmmakers giving in to their demands.

 

[Lip]

I'm sure this has been brought up before and it involves some big ifs at this point. But what if Rogue and Gladiator are in DP? That's a pretty golden opportunity for her to finally get flight and strength right? Is FOX even allowed to pull that off considering the rights and all that legal business? Would you even want to see this?

There is already too much going on. They should focus on the new cast: Scott, Jean, Ororo and Kurt. Develop them first. Give them time.

Save Rogue and other beloved characters for later. When they'll have time to be developed properly.

 

[The Guard]

It literally took one movie for Charles to become Professor X and have an X-Men team and Erik to become Magneto, the mutant supremacist with a formed Brotherhood. It was called X-Men: First Class.

And the concept of Xavier and his dream for mutants, the nature of the X-Men, and Magneto's efforts to aid mutant supremacy have been developed and explored through two additional films.

What's your point?

And yet you want to force on people three movies for Cyclops to develop one of his known character traits?

Cyclops being a leader is one of his core character traits. They should probably never stop addressing and developing him in that regard.

No one said he shouldn't be a leader at all until the third film.

Simply that the concept should be developed and explored. Sort of how they've developed Beast's increasing technical ability, genius and his issues with his mutation from film to film.

Not to mention, I've been told many times there is no rushing in Dark Phoenix, everything can get done in one movie. Yet, now the narrative is no need to rush Cyclops' leadership, it can be spread to three movies?

Near as I can tell, no one ever said that everything about Phoenix/Dark Phoenix has to be done in one movie. It's an issue Jean will likely struggle with for a while. It's her burden to bear.

The argument has been that it is too early for Phoenix/Dark Phoenix. Since it's a core part of Jean Grey's character evolution and was clearly set up in the previous film, I don't agree with that assessment.

 

[Frankeh]

And the concept of Xavier and his dream for mutants, the nature of the X-Men, and Magneto's efforts to aid mutant supremacy have been developed and explored through two additional films.

What's your point?

That's besides my point. They grew into those roles in one movie, but GuestStar thinks making Cyclops a leader in the next movie is just resorting to comics, and it doesn't make him interesting, and I don't and won't agree.

No one said he shouldn't be a leader at all until the third film.

Simply that the concept should be developed and explored. Sort of how they've developed Beast's increasing technical ability, genius and his issues with his mutation from film to film.

I'm glad no one has outright said that.

But to me, developing Cyclops as a leader is not an excuse for Mystique field leading. I want to see him in the role I associate him with just like I want to see X-Men be X-Men not in the process of being X-Men, they can be developed just fine already being at that point as they have been in their long comic history.

As far as I'm concerned Beast hasn't had any development since First Class, so I'd rather Cyclops not suffer that fate, but that's something I won't get into with you, because we already have our set ideas on that.