Zack Snyder Confirms Ending!

[Everything boy]

What the hell are you talking about? Your argument seems to be that the only reason people are praising the Watchmen movie is because the book was loved. Yet at the same time, Dragonball was a very popular franchise with an even bigger fanbase, and yet the consensus is that that movie is going to blow chunks. Obviously people are basing their opinions not on the quality of the original movie, but off the apparent quality of the adaptation.

My argument, is that the only reason anyone is even thinking about this is because of the quality of the book. why are they making this movie? Why did they want to make a movie 20 yrs ago? Why would the WB risk lawsuits from fox to get this done? Why am I scared? Why are people excited? All same answer: because this series was that good. Why are people for dragonball (the series) because it's good. why are they mad about the movie? because they thought the series was good and are scared the fillm will be crap. The last sentance needs to be rewritten because I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean "book" instead of "movie" I have only opne thing to note: I'll bet money that nobody is going to tell you "wait till it comes out" because thats not what we do to positive reaction. Also "apparent quality" SOME people MIGHT have seen 40 min or so of this 2hr+ so forgive me if I don't think thats the only thing they're going on (namely the other thing is: THE QUALTY OF THE BOOK.)

Also I think the word "praising" in this post is inappropriate, I don't think anyone here is "praising" or "decrying" this movie (probably because we havent seen it) the true words I think are "excited" and "scared". If you put "excited about" in place of "praising" in you're second sentence and it expresses my thoughts.

 

[BestGirl]

You are soo right it has nothing to do with the fact that the BOOK won a hugo, or was on time magazines 20th century novels, or that comic book readers have souted its praises from the 1st issue, it's all because of what snyder did, I remember that nobody liked this book before the positive things about the movie came out, come on thats about as flimsy as the whole "see these guys loved it and couldn't be biased (because it is totally possible for a human being to set aside prior feelings)" seriously are you listening to yourself.

Is that sarcasm? Watchmen is one of the most beloved GNs ever. Perhaps you meant the GA didn't love the GN before the movie. If the movie brings more people to the GN isn't that a good thing?

I still don't know why you're pushing the "audience was biased" thing. Some people, probably Watchmen fans, saw the first 40 minutes or so of the movie and loved it. That makes me think I'll love it. I still have some small reservations about the changed ending but I'm waiting to see the movie.

You say "that's because" like you know definitvely why come on do you really have this much confidence in your own mind (your favorite watchmen was Ozy wasn't it?)

Well, I do know definitely that the reason people on this board like the movie is because they've liked the promo material and the reviews we've heard so far. I also know that the opposite is true for the Spirit and Dragonball, so yes I am confident in my beliefs.

No, Ozymandias was my least favorite Watchman, just because of his arrogance. Rorschach was my favorite.

 

[Everything boy]

I thought the double oh on "you're soo right" gave it away. Look in the reactions to someone asking in the GN forums "was watchmen an instant classic?"
Also I thought it was very clear that I did not mean an audience was biased or that you were, I was saying ALL PEOPLE, everyone, including me.

I still can't believe you had to ask about the sarcasm (don't you know that it's really the only way people acknowledge each other positively on forums?)

 

[Everything boy]

It's been 4 days, so I'm pretty confident that conversation is over. To get back on topic: I believe the comic makes the reader decide whether anything is important (like Glass's article) and this movie (as movies always do) will probably pick and choose things to draw attention to (making the decision on importance for you) this is be essential because you can't flip back on a film. The problem there is that someone who is not Moore is choosing (thus "god exists" becomes more important than the cephalopod) and forgive me if when concerning this highly intellectual work I have no confidence in solid snake and the guy who has done a total of 2 movies (he's done a boat load of commercials, and people wondered why the trailer to 300 was so good) to pick what should go in and what shouldn't.

Also One other thing made me shudder: people said that in the intro it shows the comedian on the grassy knoll, oh god that to me just confirms that Snyder does not know a lot about subtlety which is kinda what this story is all about. Someone (once again paraphrasing here) once said something to the effect of: "This guy has only done style based movies, can he really be expected to produce some thing not just of substance, but SO MUCH substance" It's like Micheal Bay jumping from Armageddon to Pearl Harbor (but hopefully it dosen't suck as bad)

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think it's pretty funny that Moore's idea that "You can't flip back on a film" as opposed to a graphic novel was destroyed years before he even got Watchmen published.

 

[BestGirl]

I believe the comic makes the reader decide whether anything is important (like Glass's article) and this movie (as movies always do) will probably pick and choose things to draw attention to (making the decision on importance for you)

The only way a truly faithful Watchmen adaptation could ever possibly be made would be in a miniseries. We're not getting a miniseries, what we're getting is Snyder's interpretation of Watchmen. Someday in the future we'll see some other director's. Seeing some director's unique interpretation depicted on screen is what makes an adaptation interesting. Try to enjoy the movie for what it is.

this is be essential because you can't flip back on a film.

You can if you use the rewind button.

 

[The Guard]

Also One other thing made me shudder: people said that in the intro it shows the comedian on the grassy knoll, oh god that to me just confirms that Snyder does not know a lot about subtlety which is kinda what this story is all about.

Not all of WATCHMEN is subtle. The mentions of The Comedian's involvement in the JFK assassination in the novel certainly weren't.

 

[Magenta666]

The only way a truly faithful Watchmen adaptation could ever possibly be made would be in a miniseries. We're not getting a miniseries, what we're getting is Snyder's interpretation of Watchmen. Someday in the future we'll see some other director's. Seeing some director's unique interpretation depicted on screen is what makes an adaptation interesting. Try to enjoy the movie for what it is.

i second that, anyone who thinks that Snyder (who i dont think is a bad director at all...though a bit too much slo mo imo) will get EVERY little subtle symbol or reference in a 2 hour movie is kidding themselves....enjoy it because its not the worst we could get, not by far.

and be glad itll grant the GN more fame, its one of my all time favorite novels and im glad that, already, many of my friends are picking it up just from seeing the trailers

 

[BestGirl]

i second that, anyone who thinks that Snyder (who i dont think is a bad director at all...though a bit too much slo mo imo) will get EVERY little subtle symbol or reference in a 2 hour movie is kidding themselves....enjoy it because its not the worst we could get, not by far.

and be glad itll grant the GN more fame, its one of my all time favorite novels and im glad that, already, many of my friends are picking it up just from seeing the trailers

I picked it up from watching the trailers!

 

[Katsuro]

I think it's pretty funny that Moore's idea that "You can't flip back on a film" as opposed to a graphic novel was destroyed years before he even got Watchmen published.

In all fairness, there's a big difference between flipping back a page in a comic, and rewinding a movie. For one, you cant rewind a movie in the theaters. And even on DVD, rewinding is nothing like a comic, where your eyes are free to move about the page as you wish, and linger on certain images/panels. It's incredibly easy to flip back even several chapters just to look at one specific page, rather than having to rewind all the way back, then find your place again.

But of course, all this means is that people will have to see Watchmen more than once to fully appreciate it. Okay by me (and definatley for the studio).

 

[Shivsguy616]

In all fairness, there's a big difference between flipping back a page in a comic, and rewinding a movie. For one, you cant rewind a movie in the theaters. And even on DVD, rewinding is nothing like a comic, where your eyes are free to move about the page as you wish, and linger on certain images/panels. It's incredibly easy to flip back even several chapters just to look at one specific page, rather than having to rewind all the way back, then find your place again.

But of course, all this means is that people will have to see Watchmen more than once to fully appreciate it. Okay by me (and definatley for the studio).

What you're describing sounds like VHS... with DVD you can do all those things. (Not the theatre part, obviously, but that's neither here nor there.)

 

[Katsuro]

What you're describing sounds like VHS... with DVD you can do all those things. (Not the theatre part, obviously, but that's neither here nor there.)

You can, but it's not easy. Besides, most people dont watch movies alone. So even if you have the ability to flip back 5 chapters because you wanna remember what someone said earlier, is everyone else gonna be okay with that? Is everyone gonna be okay with pausing the movie to get a closer look at something in the background?

And even if you do that, it disrupts the flow of the movie. Movies are meant to be watched at once, not randomly skipping around and pausing here and there (unless that's actually part of the movie).

In a comic, you just use your finger to hold your place, flip the pages back a bit, find whatever detail you were looking for, then bam, right back to where you were. No grabbing the remote, skipping a couple chapters back, then fastforwarding to the specific point. Then you gotta skip chapters forward again, and maybe you accidently skip too far, so you gotta rewind over parts you havne't even seen yet.

 

[RustyCage]

It's more nuanced than you guys are giving it credit for. And hypothetical, really.

There are a tonnn of different and specific circumstances that determine the conditions in which one could watch a movie at his own pace and discretion. And, frankly, the same can be said in the case of books.

It should also be noted that while you can't control how slow or fast things move along in a movie, you can always go back and re-absorb things in the very same way. At least once you get the DVD. And there's always the pause button. Not to mention scene select. Or you could just watch it all the way through again after finishing it, which is what I like doing.

 

[Shivsguy616]

You can, but it's not easy. Besides, most people dont watch movies alone. So even if you have the ability to flip back 5 chapters because you wanna remember what someone said earlier, is everyone else gonna be okay with that? Is everyone gonna be okay with pausing the movie to get a closer look at something in the background?

And even if you do that, it disrupts the flow of the movie. Movies are meant to be watched at once, not randomly skipping around and pausing here and there (unless that's actually part of the movie).

In a comic, you just use your finger to hold your place, flip the pages back a bit, find whatever detail you were looking for, then bam, right back to where you were. No grabbing the remote, skipping a couple chapters back, then fastforwarding to the specific point. Then you gotta skip chapters forward again, and maybe you accidently skip too far, so you gotta rewind over parts you havne't even seen yet.

I don't know how you watch films, but It seems that it is much different from me. I usually watch them on my laptop, (best definition screen in the house). If I want to go back, I click pause and simply grab the slider, pulling it to whatever point I want, viewing each frame as I go if I wish. Do you watch the HD trailers on quicktime? It's similar to that.
I see what you mean, but in my experience, that isn't the case.

 

[Kimota]

There is a reason, i watched Fight clubs about 8 times, i saw something diferent each time. Same reason i watched the sixth sense three times. Im hoping watchmen has that same affect, it sounds like some of you are dreading it. Also in the RPG which was sponsored and was created partially by Moore, it states that the comedian killed JFK. Theres more info out there on the watchman and its characters, then just in the GN. There have been tons and tons of Moore interviews, there was a RPG and tons of discusions like this, when the book actually came out. There just wasnt an internet, and a movie to spark it all like this. For those of us, who were actually alive, and adult enough to get into it, when it came out we know this. You can read the GN 1000 times, but if you dont know all the information, your still missing 10 percent of watchmen i believe.

 

[Katsuro]

I don't know how you watch films, but It seems that it is much different from me. I usually watch them on my laptop, (best definition screen in the house). If I want to go back, I click pause and simply grab the slider, pulling it to whatever point I want, viewing each frame as I go if I wish. Do you watch the HD trailers on quicktime? It's similar to that.
I see what you mean, but in my experience, that isn't the case.

Yeah, see, I watch movies on a 60-inch HDTV, usually with several other people who wouldn't like me skipping around as I felt like it.

What this is really about is whether Alan Moore's comment that "you cant flip back on a movie" really stands true as a difference between comics and movies, and I still think it does. Sure, if you happen to be watching it alone on a laptop, it's pretty easy to skip back and forth, but when you first see the movie in a theater, and if you watch it on a regular DVD/Blu-Ray player with a group of people, you dont really have the same luxury of skipping around the story like you do with a comic.

But like I said, all this means is that with a movie you need to watch it again, and there's nothing wrong with that. I can only imagine how many times I'll see Watchmen, in theaters then again at home on DVD.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Yeah, see, I watch movies on a 60-inch HDTV, usually with several other people who wouldn't like me skipping around as I felt like it.

What this is really about is whether Alan Moore's comment that "you cant flip back on a movie" really stands true as a difference between comics and movies, and I still think it does. Sure, if you happen to be watching it alone on a laptop, it's pretty easy to skip back and forth, but when you first see the movie in a theater, and if you watch it on a regular DVD/Blu-Ray player with a group of people, you dont really have the same luxury of skipping around the story like you do with a comic.

But like I said, all this means is that with a movie you need to watch it again, and there's nothing wrong with that. I can only imagine how many times I'll see Watchmen, in theaters then again at home on DVD.

Fair enough. In my opinion, his comment doesn't hold true now. It doesn't really matter though, they're different media. The only main difference is the pacing. In the GN it's your own, in the Film, it's the director's.

 

[I Am The Knight]

In all fairness, there's a big difference between flipping back a page in a comic, and rewinding a movie. For one, you cant rewind a movie in the theaters. And even on DVD, rewinding is nothing like a comic, where your eyes are free to move about the page as you wish, and linger on certain images/panels. It's incredibly easy to flip back even several chapters just to look at one specific page, rather than having to rewind all the way back, then find your place again.

But of course, all this means is that people will have to see Watchmen more than once to fully appreciate it. Okay by me (and definatley for the studio).

You mean just like the GN?

Now, I read your other posts and I know what you mean about people not being OK with rewinding the DVD or whatever. But it's certainly not a universal thing. I always watch my DVD's on my own, so I don't have that problem, not to mention that it is pretty easy to go back and forth with DVD's. And it wasn't so horrible with VHS tapes, either. You can pause the movie, zoom in, etc.

Now, if people have a problem with you rewinding the DVD at a family screening or whatever, that still doesn't means you "can't" do it. It's a bit technical, but the important thing is, Watchmen's full appreciation is secured.

 

[TheBatman072]

Is there a more in-depth article about the ending than the one in the first post?

 

[TheBatman072]

Jesus Christ. I can't believe how slow these boards are.


TDK's boards were NEVER this slow. And if they were, it was a couple of days. At max.

 

[the_joker]

It's a little bit disappointing

Spoiler

the squid won't be in it.

But it isn't the end of the world (ours). The trailer has me amped for the film now anyway, and a lot of people didn't like having 'young' actors playing the watchmen who were suppose to be older than them but [most] people seem to have gotten over that. It'll be fiiiiine.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

You wanna know a secret? I LOVED the movie version of LXG. Campy, pulpy, fun.

 

[DACrowe]

I can live without the squid. When reading the story I was like...a giant squid? Really, Vedit? That was your great ominious threat?

On screen it could look a little out there too (well no more than being on Mars, I suppose, but still).

As long as there is mass murder, mayhem and the adventures impotently let Vedit get away with it...and then Seymore finds the journal.

If all that is still in there, then it being a blue flash that is less "third act surprise" that kills New York is acceptable.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. I am more worried about the movie being so slick the humanity of it may be lost. And as others have pointed out, the actor playing Vedit looks way too young.

 

[TNC9852002]

Jesus Christ. I can't believe how slow these boards are.


TDK's boards were NEVER this slow. And if they were, it was a couple of days. At max.

You'd really compare Watchmen to TDK?

-TNC