Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 1

[harlequinade]

I hope Affleck is helping Snyder out, at least with some words of directing wisdom

 

[GreenKToo]

I sure wouldn't wanna be a WB exec right now.
You just know they gotta be thinking, why don't the critics and public like our CB films like they did nolan's??

 

[idiot09]

I sure wouldn't wanna be a WB exec right now.
You just know they gotta be thinking, why don't the critics and public like our CB films like they did nolan's??

Its simple.Dont butcher your goddamn films in post production.

 

[GreenKToo]

Its simple.Dont butcher your goddamn films in post production.

lol, but that's the problem, it's to simple for them. They like to overcomplicate things.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I wish Snyder could just go all out with JL as well. But he won't, WB will have a tight leash on this, which worries me as what they did to BvS and what I am hearing about SS didn't help at all. Their meddling seemed to make things worse.

I would rather Zach had the freedom to do what he thought was best.

Yea, it's really not fixing things for the better as they intend to.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Just because WB are clueless idiots doesn't mean that Snyder left alone will produce a good movie.

I will say that WB made a bunch of audience unfriendly dark and gritty films from the ground up. They can't change things in post so they should just let the films, in PG13 form, release as is. Meddling didn't make probably already weak films any better and probably did make them worse actually.

 

[FunkMiller]

Just because WB are clueless idiots doesn't mean that Snyder left alone will produce a good movie.
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He made a three hour, r-rated movie that was supposed to kickstart a franchise, starring an old, bitter Batman, and a morose, detached Superman. I'd say it's guaranteed he wouldn't produce a good movie if left alone.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He made a three hour, r-rated movie that was supposed to kickstart a franchise, starring an old, bitter Batman, and a morose, detached Superman. I'd say it's guaranteed he wouldn't produce a good movie if left alone.

I still can't believe that WB signed off on BvS concept. Instead of heeding the complaints about MOS and giving audiences the dream good time film about two icons coming together we get an angry, cynical, detached, poorly put together film not worth a damn.

I hope that after 3 films with failed reviews and mediocre to bad word of mouth WB starts trying to get some quality control happening. They can start by getting rid of Zack Snyder. That's just a start though.

 

[Superchan]

I wish Snyder could just go all out with JL as well. But he won't, WB will have a tight leash on this, which worries me as what they did to BvS and what I am hearing about SS didn't help at all. Their meddling seemed to make things worse.

I would rather Zach had the freedom to do what he thought was best.

He got that with sucker punch and MOS and the former was laughable while the latter was divisive at best, I think you're giving Snyder too much credit.
With that being said the guy isn't M night or Bay and he has made good movies e.g. dawn of the dead remake, when given the right script. But then again one can say that about almost all directors.

 

[AnneFan]

How dare Snyder start the DCEU with room for character growth. What a jerk. He had guts to make his movie, whereas Suicide Squad was gutless and watered down. Can't wait for Snyder to strut his stuff in Justice League.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Part of me wants Snyder to continue with better written scripts. Part of me wants Snyder to leave, because even when Snyder is at his best (and I love his bests - cast, designs, cinematography, action), it's still not satisfying for a lot of people.

Oh well, at the very least I get one Justice League movie.

 

[idiot09]

How dare Snyder start the DCEU with room for character growth. What a jerk. He had guts to make his movie, whereas Suicide Squad was gutless and watered down. Can't wait for Snyder to strut his stuff in Justice League.

Well said.His movies may not have been perfect,but they were extremely ambitious and I loved them.You could see how much work went into them,he bled sweat and blood for this DCEU and even if you dont like his work,the hate/vitriol towards him is so strange.Almost like he commited genocide or something.

Anyway looking forward to his JL

 

[Micromind]

Well said.His movies may not have been perfect,but they were extremely ambitious and I loved them.You could see how much work went into them,he bled sweat and blood for this DCEU and even if you dont like his work,the hate/vitriol towards him is so strange.Almost like he commited genocide or something.

Anyway looking forward to his JL

Ayer's original idea of SS might not have passed that PG-13 rating though, which is why we got a "safe and sanitized" version of the movie.

What with criminals who were racists, sexists, rapists and serial killers and Joker's abusive relationship with Harley Quinn.

 

[idiot09]

Ayer's original idea of SS might not have passed that PG-13 rating though, which is why we got a "safe and sanitized" version of the movie.

What with criminals who were racists, sexists, rapists and serial killers and Joker's abusive relationship with Harley Quinn.

I know man.And as much as I know it was not "good for business" I really wanted to see that version of the movie(very selfishly).And now it looks like we never may.Thats why I'm so disappointed.

 

[Micromind]

I know man.And as much as I know it was not "good for business" I really wanted to see that version of the movie(very selfishly).And now it looks like we never may.Thats why I'm so disappointed.

I will buy "R" rated edition, if they release it. But, they really need to find a way to accommodate some darker stuff without having to go safe route and still stay within PG 13 rating.

 

[idiot09]

I will buy "R" rated edition, if they release it. But, they really need to find a way to accommodate some darker stuff without having to go safe route and still stay within PG 13 rating.

Yep there are many movies that incorporate very dark and mature things without getting a R rating.I think this is where the executives come in.Rather than neutering the movie,they should just cut off the edges/or rather have fixed vision right from the beginning.Then again,I am no expert.Lets hope this doesnt happen again.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I think they made a compromise with Ayer. TC is our "safe" cut to generate positive WOM. Blu-ray will be all yours balls to the wall and R rated. Seems like a fine compromise and could explain Ayer's confident defense of Skwad.

 

[NotNickFury]

I think they made a compromise with Ayer. TC is our "safe" cut to generate positive WOM. Blu-ray will be all yours balls to the wall and R rated. Seems like a fine compromise and could explain Ayer's confident defense of Skwad.

That's if we get a more mature cut of the film on Blu-Ray. Didn't Ayer said the version he released was the complete version we'd get? The only way I see this working, outside of a director's cut if there IS one, is that the home release just comes jam packed with deleted scenes.

Otherwise, we'd end up with an Ultimate Cut of almost every DCEU film that doesn't perform well or went through executive meddling.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I think it was a business decision by both parties, and Ayer is standing up to his end of the deal that's why he's saying it's his cut.

Look at how a lot of detractors had their faith in Snyder restored with the UE. There were a lot of YouTube apologies.

So if TC = studio fun version and UE = Director controversial version then I can live with that.

 

[SuperAl]

I hope Affleck is helping Snyder out, at least with some words of directing wisdom

i think id prefer geoff johns helping Snyder out. hes got the comic credentials. He needs to let him know what is "out of character" for specific characters and what to avoid due to possible backlash.

 

[idiot09]

i think id prefer geoff johns helping Snyder out. hes got the comic credentials. He needs to let him know what is "out of character" for specific characters and what to avoid due to possible backlash.

From what we know,Geoff and Zack were the ones to map out the entire DCEU so he was already quite a big figure.Even in the BvS BTS material,we see a lot of Geoff Johns which tell me he was involved quite a bit.Although now his role is far major,so it will be interesting to see his influence.

 

[SuperAl]

From what we know,Geoff and Zack were the ones to map out the entire DCEU so he was already quite a big figure.Even in the BvS BTS material,we see a lot of Geoff Johns which tell me he was involved quite a bit.Although now his role is far major,so it will be interesting to see his influence.

Johns' run starts with Wonder Woman according to all the trades, prior to that he was essentially a consultant.

Being a "producer" on a film doesnt necessarily mean you are making a ton of decisions. Nolan's role on MOS was almost non-existent considering he apparently told zack to not kill zod and zack said no. If zack is telling Nolan no, i can't imagine Johns had a ton of influence on anything in BvS or SS. He wasn't involved in MOS from what i recall. Hes basically zack's boss now after his promotion to head of the DCEU.

 

[idiot09]

Johns' run starts with Wonder Woman according to all the trades, prior to that he was essentially a consultant.

Being a "producer" on a film doesnt necessarily mean you are making a ton of decisions. Nolan's role on MOS was almost non-existent considering he apparently told zack to not kill zod and zack said no. If zack is telling Nolan no, i can't imagine Johns had a ton of influence on anything in BvS or SS. He wasn't involved in MOS from what i recall. Hes basically zack's boss now after his promotion to head of the DCEU.

Well from what Ive heard Nolan had quite a lot of input during MOS.The way it read it was more of mutual decision at the end :

"In the original version of the script he just got zapped into the Phantom Zone. David [Goyer] and I had long talks about it, and Chris [Nolan] and I talked long about it, and I really feel like we should kill Zod, and I really feel like Superman should kill him."

Goyer :" And originally Chris didn't even want to let us to try and write it, and Zack and I said 'we think we can figure out a way that you will buy it,' and so, I came up with this idea of the heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene and I gave it to Chris, and he said, ' okay, you've convinced me, and I buy it.'"

Though it might well and truly be that Johns has more of role now.Johns and Snyder have a good relationship from what we hear,so thats a good thing.

 

[Micromind]

Johns' run starts with Wonder Woman according to all the trades, prior to that he was essentially a consultant.

Being a "producer" on a film doesnt necessarily mean you are making a ton of decisions. Nolan's role on MOS was almost non-existent considering he apparently told zack to not kill zod and zack said no. If zack is telling Nolan no, i can't imagine Johns had a ton of influence on anything in BvS or SS. He wasn't involved in MOS from what i recall. Hes basically zack's boss now after his promotion to head of the DCEU.

There's a huge difference here, Nolan was behaving like a typical hands-off Executive Producer, giving his input and then letting them figure out if they wanted it or not. Nolan never forced his decisions on Snyder.

But here, WB higher-ups have specifically appointed Geoff Johns to oversee DC movie development and have an active involvement in the process in the capacity of a Producer. He is not regular movie Producer, he is much more involved.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I want Snyder as DP so we can still get the exquisite shot composition but a much better director.