7.16 - Descent - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

That's always been the case with Smallville, Clark stays at home until someone threatens Lana, Chloe, Pete, Martha, Jonathan or Lois, then he works on figuring it out and fixing it. Until it directly effects someone close to him Clark just stays on the farm and away from any action.

isn't this what Superman does anyway? He waits for someone to be in trouble and then rescues them. He's not supposed to be a detective. That's Batman's job. The only way he'll be proactive is when he becomes Superman and even then, he'll only be coming to people's rescue once they're in trouble.
 
I'll try not to replicate <GRIN> previous comments.

GINA:
* Yes, Lex could have killed her; he showed he didn't trust her. At this point, he sees everyone as a tool, as another poster mentioned. In this episode, she acted very fishy, as though she had an ulterior motive while "helping" Lex. It didn't seem quite done by the end.
* The guy who grabbed her could have worked for either Lex or for Jason's dad, as suggested - but what makes you think she was dead? Rewatch that scene very carefully. I'm almost positive that we don't see him kill her. We don't see him blow up the car. We see him administer some sort of drug to her, and then he straps her into the car. He very carefully puts her glasses back on - no sloppy loose ends for this guy. At the very end, she takes (or lets out) a breath. We don't see her eyes close or haze over, unless I blinked and missed it. Looks more to me like someone has paralyzed her and will be taking her hostage OR brainwashing her OR trying to get information out of her OR trying to wipe her memory so he can follow her to Zurich or wherever. I expect to see her in one of the remaining episodes - Lex not trusting her and perhaps having someone tail her; the other party following behind or watching remotely.

KRYPTONIAN PROJECTOR:
* best I can tell, the English transliteration of the Kryptonian along the side (starting at the end closest to Clark) reads "for the taraveler" or "turaveler" - there's an extra letter in there; I can't tell if it's an 'a' or a 'u'. Before he turned the ends, all that was visible in the center portion was "the tar" (or "tur"). Haven't tried to transliterate any of what it put up on the wall.

CHLOE:
* it didn't occur to me to have her put the key in her bra, but that would have worked. I'm thinking she put it in her desk because it never occurred to her that Lex would have the chutzpah to open her drawer and rummage through it right in front of her. Remember, she thinks of her desk and computer and everything in both as her personal property; Lex considers them to be his property since he owns the place.
* she's still spelling things out for Clark because she's his reassurance that his ego isn't out of control; that other people do feel he's important and is worth saving

ALEXANDER (I can't easily call him "Little Lex" in this genre, at least not yet):
* when Lex sees Clark outside of Luthercorp, he first thinks he's seeing Alexander in that very spot; camera segues from A. to CK. Nice reference back to Clark saying he'd try to help Alexander. Also cements Lex's hatred for Clark - if it weren't for Clark, Alexander would be long gone.
* would have been cool to see a little more of the "normal" view of Lex while he was hallucinating - a few seconds of him dragging *nothing* down the stairs
* when Lex holds Alexander in the fire in his delusion, he really is near/in the fire IRL. I've watched closely but don't believe Lex's hands are shown up close after that in the episode. If there's a time for Lex's right hand to get burned and need a glove, I'm hoping they use this scene instead of waiting for a K-ring.

CLARK:
* very pleased by his confrontation of Lex over the deaths of their fathers. I thought he was going to wimp out about Jonathan's death, but he got rightfully (righteously?) angry at Lex and told him off; he only expressed his doubts later, in private, with Chloe
* CK using his heat vision like he did, to gently warm Lois and Jimmy, was AWESOME. I'm not sure exactly how he managed it without Jimmy seeing him - could have sworn Jimmy's eyes were open at the beginning - but it was a great new use of his power, and very Supermanly.
* funeral scene - a very Supermanly stance in his suit by the grave
* he did the right thing by throwing the first handful of dirt
* question remains: did he fill in the grave? If so, did he do it slowly or risk having folks see him from those high-rises?
* while it was fitting to have a Lex vs. Clark standoff at the funeral, I'm sorry they didn't have Clark re-open the funeral - have a few people show up, and protect them when Lex complained. Martha and Chloe, at least...

MARTHA:
* her return is long, long overdue. She should have been in this one, or Clark should have called her about Lionel, or something. Bring on Perry so we can have our Martha back!
 
isn't this what Superman does anyway? He waits for someone to be in trouble and then rescues them. He's not supposed to be a detective. That's Batman's job. The only way he'll be proactive is when he becomes Superman and even then, he'll only be coming to people's rescue once they're in trouble.
UMMM Wrong Superman is always helping out people be it that he is doing it as Clark Kent reporter or Superman he is always helping out people instead of waiting for trouble to find him which is what SV Clark does much like Parker.
 
That's always been the case with Smallville, Clark stays at home until someone threatens Lana, Chloe, Pete, Martha, Jonathan or Lois, then he works on figuring it out and fixing it. Until it directly effects someone close to him Clark just stays on the farm and away from any action.
But thats not Superman. Superman always helps and is always patrolling the world. He does not sit in his apartment with Lois and wait for trouble to find him. As I said before if they didn't have other heroes show up and make Clark look so bad for not getting off his but and being more active like how they are then it wouldn't be a problem but when you have all the other heroes acting more Super then Superman then there is a problem.
 
^^^ but show is not all about that

they need to show clark's closed ones in trouble to build the conflict in the story

and clark doesn't have any 2 inedtities yet unlike green arrorw if clark randomly starts protecting everyone then everyone will know calrk is superman

by the way if it wasn't for clark both lois and jimmy would've been dead

clark needs to have some secret idnetity if he want to plays eaviour tro everyone which is think will be in season 8 because creator of show mentioned that in sesaon 8 clark will be looking for secret idenitity
 
UMMM Wrong Superman is always helping out people be it that he is doing it as Clark Kent reporter or Superman he is always helping out people instead of waiting for trouble to find him which is what SV Clark does much like Parker.

but he does that because he's Superman. Clark has a secret identity which allows him to be seen by the public. Clark in Smallville doesn't have that yet. Plus, the show is based in Smallville and already has protected people in Smallville. Hell, he's protected the world already. Just see "Zod". He stopped Zod from taking over the world.
 
Just wanted to comment on these three points. I'm pretty sure Lionel was an MB in seasons 1-3. Remember, the other Veritasers didn't trust Lionel either (and he did kind of have them all killed). It wasn't until Season 4's Transference, when Lionel felt Clark's presence, that he started to see the error of his ways. Being possessed by Jor-El in Season 5 completely transformed Lionel and he then realized the sanctity of his original Veritas mission.

Agreed. I'm a little floored that people are acting like it's a surprise that Lex would kill Lionel. Lex has been killing and hurting people for a long time now. I'm surprised it took him this long.
Um, are you basing this on something you know spoiler wise? :huh:

Mostly just MHO, but
there is a future spoiler that seems like it's in line with what I thought after I rewatched that scene.
We've seen Lex arrange "hits" on a few people now - Julian and Patricia Swan. Both times, we were clearly SHOWN that it was Lex who arranged the hits by phone calls made by the hitman immediately after the killing. This one felt different, and the fact that they didn't immediately link it to Lex makes me very suspicious. Someone killed her because she supposedly knows who the Traveler is now. I do think it's likely that Lex would have eventually killed her (for all the previously stated reasons) but I don't think he was ready to yet. He has NO ONE now. She was the only faithful minion in his stable, and she was still devoted enough to be useful.


I could not disagree more.

Pity party? Was he feeling sorry for HIMSELF? No. Clark, being a good, caring person SHOULD feel some pain and regret that signifigant people in his life loved him SO MUCH that they died protecting him.

When Clark stops FEELING normal, relatable emotions, Smallville will lose it's heart.

Agreed. I have a rant I keep meaning to write about all the complaining about Clark expressing feelings - guilt or otherwise. He's Clark, he feels, very sincerely and very deeply. That's why he chooses to spend his life doing what he will do.


I agree with you on Clark, btw. LJ is just full of people angry at the show and hating Clark. I don't get it. I think I'm going to be defriending people over this... Or at least, reading less of what other people think of the show. I wish some people would put that kind of crap behind cuts.

I agree. I've decided not to read most of the "reviews" that are being posted on LJ. The Lex's apologists, and Clark haters, are in full force and not even bothering to post their biased and crappy comments behind cuts. I'm done reading what those individuals have to say about the show. :mad:

LOL! I'm pretty particular on which reviewers I will read over there. I don't mind disagreeing with them, as long as I think they are seeing the episode and reviewing it with an unbiased perspective - oh, and they actually like the show to begin with. ;)
 
^^^ also in Blue

i know many people complained because of clark Zor-el took over the fortress and caused the eclipse

BUT clark didn't know that krystal will release zor el too and he was hearing his mother's voice calling him

he is not some emotionless AI like jor-el yes he let his human emotions got in his way but that's what makes him superman The human emotions not simply just his powers

remeber in 1st Superman movie when lois died superman looked quite devesatetd and flies up to turn back the time despite jor-el giving him warnning that he should not interfere with Time but superman still did that because of his human emotions

and in superman 2 clark gave up his powers so he can stay with lois again his human emotions played that part u can even say BDA moment there to giving up powers for lois lane

problem is people expect Superman to be some godlike perfect being on the show but he is not he is not perfect even when he becomes superman he won't be perfect

sometime i wonder how much people know about superman's character who complain about clark in Smallville
 

I agree with everything inb this review except the part about the way Lois handled herself when she was shot with the surprising "YOU SHOT ME?"

I thought that was hilarious and that's just how i thought Lois Lane would've reacted thinking she was supposed to take Gina but got shot instead.
 
^^^ but show is not all about that

they need to show clark's closed ones in trouble to build the conflict in the story

and clark doesn't have any 2 inedtities yet unlike green arrorw if clark randomly starts protecting everyone then everyone will know calrk is superman

by the way if it wasn't for clark both lois and jimmy would've been dead

clark needs to have some secret idnetity if he want to plays eaviour tro everyone which is think will be in season 8 because creator of show mentioned that in sesaon 8 clark will be looking for secret idenitity

dude, how many years have they had to play everything up? (that's a rhetorical question) Long enough.
 
One of, if not the best, episode(s) of the season.
 
I was thinking, they could have saved Lionel's death for episode 18 instead, since it's the 150th episode of the series. Would have been nice if Jonathan's death was 100th episode and Lionel's 150th.
 
I was kinda worried this ep because if you are a true supes fan you know who will stay and go like Lionel you know he has to die sometime but when someone like chloe you have no clue what will happen to her. I was hoping she wont die cause she is the one that keeps Clark centered really , Jimmy and Lois in the freezer , you know they aren't gonna die but I hope they wont kill here cause she has been there since day one (sorry Iam repetitive)
 
I was kinda worried this ep because if you are a true supes fan you know who will stay and go like Lionel you know he has to die sometime but when someone like chloe you have no clue what will happen to her. I was hoping she wont die cause she is the one that keeps Clark centered really , Jimmy and Lois in the freezer , you know they aren't gonna die but I hope they wont kill here cause she has been there since day one (sorry Iam repetitive)


Now that Lionel's gone, She will probably die at some point in season 8 . (Which would basically have a very profound affect on the lives & Future of Lois & Clark .)
 
This show is about Clark Kent BECOMING Superman, once he is, series is over. He will become :super: near the end of the series on S8, in the meantime his journey continues.

Clark doesn't need Chloe for anything, she has become a plot device for hacking and allowing Clark to obtain confidential/private information, she does the dirty job for him. TPTB can have her leave Smallville now that she's unemployed, she could get a job somewhere else, the finale could be her goodbye, like Martha last year on "Phantom".
 
I agree with everything in this review except the part about the way Lois handled herself when she was shot with the surprising "YOU SHOT ME?"

I thought that was hilarious and that's just how i thought Lois Lane would've reacted thinking she was supposed to take Gina but got shot instead.

That was my response to the review as well. I also liked the character of Gina and hated to see her get drugged (poisoned?) but maybe as ariellem has speculated, she may still be alive. Interesting spec but since she knows Clark is the Traveler I don't think she's gonna make it too long anyway.
 
- How did Chloe get her messages from Jimmy if she had forgotten her mobile at the Planet for Gina to see?
- Why did Clark allow himself to be caught by Lex in his office? He could have easily zapped out of there and Lex would have never found out.
- Lex has no money any more for security?
- Chloe opens Clark's eyes yet again to his destiny. Did we need the Clark pity party?
-Jimmy said he left 2 voice messages at home and a text message on her cell.
-So he could confront Lex
-Yeah, but like you said Clark easily "zapped in" and then I guess the silent alarm went on or something and Lex came in. And besides, it's already been established that there are cameras in the study, so why would he speed out of there?
-Remember, it's Smallville. Clark in SV doesn't want to be the Hero quite yet.

I loved the final scene, when Lex stares into Clark's eyes and smirks but Clark doesn't even look at him at the end, as he is paying respect to Lionel. Then Lex walks OVER his fathers grave!
 
This show is about Clark Kent BECOMING Superman, once he is, series is over. He will become :super: near the end of the series on S8, in the meantime his journey continues.

Clark doesn't need Chloe for anything, she has become a plot device for hacking and allowing Clark to obtain confidential/private information, she does the dirty job for him. TPTB can have her leave Smallville now that she's unemployed, she could get a job somewhere else, the finale could be her goodbye, like Martha last year on "Phantom".

Yeah, but then it would be Clark Lois and Jimmy in adventures at Daily Planet.

Who the hell wants to watch a show with those characters?
 
Yeah, but then it would be Clark Lois and Jimmy in adventures at Daily Planet.

Who the hell wants to watch a show with those characters?

:raises hand:

Throw in Perry White and you've got yourself a Metropolis series.
 
:raises hand:

Throw in Perry White and you've got yourself a Metropolis series.

:raises hand:

My sentiments exactly . Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Perry joins the cast next season filling in John Glover/Lionel Luthor spot . The only question that remains is will Michael McKean return or will Perry get re-casted ?
 
so i was right that people always find an exuse to somehow bash the show even after episode like Descent (not this borad but some other forum )

i m just saying :woot::woot:
 
Okay, I can kinda see that, but he is going to kick himself when he gets her vm that he'd done it then.

:D

Sweet irony!





I don't have any problems with anything Clark did in the last few episodes, but I've made my thoughts pretty clear in my reviews.

I'll probably give this one a five... it was close to perfect and it was very entertaiing to boot. Amazing that it was a newb director that helmed this episode...

IA. I think Clark has been his most Supermanly this season. And I'm lovin' it!





This keeps coming up over and over again, so I'm going to say what I've said before about it:

No, Clark in a real world wouldn't need to have Chloe (or anyone) to tell him to do things, he would of course make up his own mind about it, but you can't see what Clark is thinking in TV.

Even in the comics, you can see read thought bubbles, but how would we know what Clark is thinking in any detail unless he talks things over with other characters...

Its a contrivance, yes, but I think it's a necessary one.

The same thing came up in Season 5 with the superbreath and Chloe talking him through how to use it...

I don't have a problem with Chloe prompting him on things like this. He's not incapable of acting on his own, far from it, but we (as an audience) need the details talking to her provides us...

Excellent point. Clark also didn't back down when Lex tried to guilt him about Jonathan in their scene at the mansion, but in retrospect and alone with Chloe in the loft he did question his role in the "3 dad's" deaths. Yet he didn't overly question it. When Chloe offered her encouragement he seemed to accept what she was saying. Their deaths didn't just benefit Clark; in the long run, they benefit all mankind by protecting Clark. Clark is more accepting of his destiny than ever before in these last few episodes and I think after Apocalypse the question will be answered for him once and for all. I'm really glad that Tom is at the helm of this one!
 

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