8.15 - Infamous - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Prison Mike]

Why is this episode supposed to be airing in mid march or something? (apologies if this has been asked elsewhere in these 8 pages). Is it more bloody sweeps crap in the states or something?

it's because the dtv conversion that was supposed to happen this coming week but it was switched to june now. all the networks decided to not show new episodes during february sweeps because some people may not have converted to digital tv by that time. so now, new episodes will be in march.

 

[SV Fan]

It made sense to me that the only thing that can kill him is what ultimately separates him from the girl he's loved since he was a child, a girl who in return loved him before she knew his secret and accepted him with full understanding after she discovered who he really was.

Yeah, to me, in the SV mythos, it was very well-done.

All that of coarse if you ignore the fact there is easy ways he could fix the issue. You think after 7 years hassles they would try more then 1 doctor opinion of how to fix the issue. Maybe they could have went to Dr Jor-EL for starters, blue K could do the trick, a led suit for Lana. Ollie has unlimited resources and might be able to help, hell try get bizzaro back he can drain the kryptonite out of the suit. We know Clark reverses time in episode 15, maybe he should reverse it a couple episodes back and he can warn Lana about the troubles.

Other then that it's a very logical ending. nothing says love more then 2 people giving up because they can't have supersex. And what makes it even greater is in the Smallville universe it shows Clark kent to be a quitter.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

No, it shows Lana to be a quitter. Clark just accepted her leaving and honoured her decision. Back to Infamous, I think Jor-El will create two identities for him eventually.

 

[Prison Mike]

Jor-El will create it? How do you mean?

 

[Webhead2006]

well its kinda hard for jor-el to do anything currently fos is still damages from when brainiac was draining it in legion.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Jor-El will create it? How do you mean?

He'll alter reality so clark and the RBB are two different people and then clark makes the decision to where the glasses as clark or something, or Jor-El could make everyone forget what Clark looks like so he could use the glasses.

 

[MJZ]

I find your interpretation on this subject very disturbing .

I seriously can't see how you came to this opinion. Lana's return/Final farewell arc was absolutely ridiculous they should've just stuck with videotape message .
Because what they did was just down right ugly .

1. Lana returns now keeping secrets from Clark

2. She take a power suit making her a super powered being like Clark

3. She become Kryptonite Woman WTF !? (see Kryptonite Man)

I'm not losing any sleep over it.

All that of coarse if you ignore the fact there is easy ways he could fix the issue. You think after 7 years hassles they would try more then 1 doctor opinion of how to fix the issue. Maybe they could have went to Dr Jor-EL for starters, blue K could do the trick, a led suit for Lana. Ollie has unlimited resources and might be able to help, hell try get bizzaro back he can drain the kryptonite out of the suit. We know Clark reverses time in episode 15, maybe he should reverse it a couple episodes back and he can warn Lana about the troubles.

Other then that it's a very logical ending. nothing says love more then 2 people giving up because they can't have supersex. And what makes it even greater is in the Smallville universe it shows Clark kent to be a quitter.

Boo hoo hoo.

Look I really don't care to argue with you goobs anymore as to why your opinion is supposedly better than mine. I enjoyed what they did with it. Sure it could've been done better or a different way. Coulda woulda shoulda didn't, no use crying over it now. Accept or reject what the writers did.

At the end of the day, I still enjoy the hell out of the show, a concept that seems increasingly foreign to so many of these "fans" around here nowadays. Sure there's been plenty of duds throughout the years, but even then nothing to the point where I had to turn the TV off. If you hate it that much why even bother continue to watch it? I saw Superman Returns once when it was released in theaters, thought it was a turkey and never bothered to see it again. Yet you guys keep coming back.

 

[MJZ]

^^^ ya except for the fact that the "no problems moving on" statement is literally FORCED onto him. A break-up concists of a mutual separation, both parties realizing its not going to ever work out because they grew apart.

Not because being with the person would kill them and to keep their distance. I'm not a Clana fan at all, and that two episode arc was clearly done to appease the Clana fanbase (those who think that Clark should never end up with Lois but with Lana, god knows if they even think they are still watching a tv show about Superman).

Well that's the thing, they never did grow apart. In fact they continued getting closer together steadily throughout these last seasons. That's why I could never buy their shoddy attempts to separate from each other. Seems to fit with the concept of the star-crossed lovers, something always getting in-between them, their happiness together only experienced in brief periods in time and ultimately denied to them forever. Quite Shakespearean, I dug it.

I happen to really enjoy both Lana and Lois on the show, so don't go pigeonholing your perceived idea of the "Clana fanbase."

Maybe if the show only went for 4-5 seasons and Lana didn't discover his secret till the very end of the series your gripes would hold more weight with me. The fact is that this show has morphed into something so far beyond anything that resembles the traditional comic book storyline. So stop comparing it to it.

You realize Lex knows his secret? How could Lois Lane, a character we should have NEVER known in this show, ever think that Clark and the eventual Superman are two different people? And those are just the big ones.

This is a re-imagining of the Superman mythos, thus all of your rules that you demand they abide by don't even exist. Anything can happen at this point. I've enjoyed the ride.

 

[elgaz]

It looks like this will be an interesting episode - I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a dream or some alternate reality. Lets see some progression!

 

[MJZ]

It looks like this will be an interesting episode - I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a dream or some alternate reality. Lets see some progression!

I'd imagine it has to be.

 

[mellyM]

Well that's the thing, they never did grow apart. In fact they continued getting closer together steadily throughout these last seasons. That's why I could never buy their shoddy attempts to separate from each other. Seems to fit with the concept of the star-crossed lovers, something always getting in-between them, their happiness together only experienced in brief periods in time and ultimately denied to them forever. Quite Shakespearean, I dug it.

I happen to really enjoy both Lana and Lois on the show, so don't go pigeonholing your perceived idea of the "Clana fanbase."

Maybe if the show only went for 4-5 seasons and Lana didn't discover his secret till the very end of the series your gripes would hold more weight with me. The fact is that this show has morphed into something so far beyond anything that resembles the traditional comic book storyline. So stop comparing it to it.

You realize Lex knows his secret? How could Lois Lane, a character we should have NEVER known in this show, ever think that Clark and the eventual Superman are two different people? And those are just the big ones.

This is a re-imagining of the Superman mythos, thus all of your rules that you demand they abide by don't even exist. Anything can happen at this point. I've enjoyed the ride.

you always make so much sense, thanks

 

[Whiteflag]

I enjoyed what they did with it. Sure it could've been done better or a different way.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I'm glad you admit that it could have been done better, because it certainly could. IMO.

At the end of the day, I still enjoy the hell out of the show, a concept that seems increasingly foreign to so many of these "fans" around here nowadays. Sure there's been plenty of duds throughout the years, but even then nothing to the point where I had to turn the TV off. If you hate it that much why even bother continue to watch it? I saw Superman Returns once when it was released in theaters, thought it was a turkey and never bothered to see it again. Yet you guys keep coming back.

It always amazes me when this argument of "if you don't like it don't watch it" is brought up. I for one criticize the show because I've been watching for eight years and I hate it when the writers/producers do a mediocre job. Because the DO mediocre, lazy, inconsistent and even infuriating job now and then, you know. They are not perfect, they make mistakes, sometimes BIG ones, and the viewers have EVERY right to criticize the show when they feel they are given something subpar, when continuity is disregarded, when characters act OOC, when storylines are badly chosen or handled... And having the right to criticise doesn't mean that we have to stop watching; it means that we are disappointed with something and we share our reaction in forums and we hope next episode, or next storyline, will be better and we keep expecting that we'll be able to be happy with the show again. So please, respect that people have a right to criticize and still watch the show. Thanks.

A TV show is not a movie, they are two completely different matters, so your comparison with your reaction to SR doesn’t hold here.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I dont think MJZ was saying that anyone has to stop watching, he's just more or less posing the question of why it is that those who seem to loathe it so much (not saying you're in that group) continue to do so?

I see his point. It's like continuing to run your head into the wall, and then complaining about how much it hurts. Then soneone comes up to you and says "well, why dont you stop running your head into the wall?" And then they respond with "dont tell me I dont have the right to run my head into the wall." In which case we respond with "Well then by all means, feel free to continue running your head into the wall, just stop complaining about it."

 

[barnface]

Well that's the thing, they never did grow apart. In fact they continued getting closer together steadily throughout these last seasons. That's why I could never buy their shoddy attempts to separate from each other. Seems to fit with the concept of the star-crossed lovers, something always getting in-between them, their happiness together only experienced in brief periods in time and ultimately denied to them forever. Quite Shakespearean, I dug it.

I happen to really enjoy both Lana and Lois on the show, so don't go pigeonholing your perceived idea of the "Clana fanbase."

Maybe if the show only went for 4-5 seasons and Lana didn't discover his secret till the very end of the series your gripes would hold more weight with me. The fact is that this show has morphed into something so far beyond anything that resembles the traditional comic book storyline. So stop comparing it to it.

You realize Lex knows his secret? How could Lois Lane, a character we should have NEVER known in this show, ever think that Clark and the eventual Superman are two different people? And those are just the big ones.

This is a re-imagining of the Superman mythos, thus all of your rules that you demand they abide by don't even exist. Anything can happen at this point. I've enjoyed the ride.

I think we might be the same person.

 

[Mike_D202]

I see his point. It's like continuing to run your head into the wall, and then complaining about how much it hurts. Then soneone comes up to you and says "well, why dont you stop running your head into the wall?" And then they respond with "dont tell me I dont have the right to run my head into the wall." In which case we respond with "Well then by all means, feel free to continue running your head into the wall, just stop complaining about it."

Love the Smallville Clana = banging your head against the wall connection.

But its in fact, more like your head being forcefully smashed into the wall unexpectedly rather than voluntarily. You watch the tv show because its marketed as Clark Kent becoming Superman, not "Lana and Clark: Two Worlds Apart". Once the show starts getting good, they throw a crow bar into the bike spokes. Then you have people saying "well if you don't like it, quit riding the bike!".

Look I really don't care to argue with you goobs anymore as to why your opinion is supposedly better than mine. I enjoyed what they did with it.

Well that's good, your in the small minority then and I think after the very strong negative reception that the story arc got, don't expect the writers to walk into that gray area again.

I for one criticize the show because I've been watching for eight years and I hate it when the writers/producers do a mediocre job. Because the DO mediocre, lazy, inconsistent and even infuriating job now and then, you know. They are not perfect, they make mistakes, sometimes BIG ones, and the viewers have EVERY right to criticize the show when they feel they are given something subpar, when continuity is disregarded, when characters act OOC, when storylines are badly chosen or handled... And having the right to criticise doesn't mean that we have to stop watching; it means that we are disappointed with something and we share our reaction in forums and we hope next episode, or next storyline, will be better and we keep expecting that we'll be able to be happy with the show again. So please, respect that people have a right to criticize and still watch the show. Thanks.

Well said

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Love the Smallville Clana = banging your head against the wall connection.

I said nothing to that effect. In fact I never even mentioned Lana in my post.

But its in fact, more like your head being forcefully smashed into the wall unexpectedly rather than voluntarily.

Someone forces you to watch Smallville?

You watch the tv show because its marketed as Clark Kent becoming Superman, not "Lana and Clark: Two Worlds Apart". Once the show starts getting good, they throw a crow bar into the bike spokes. Then you have people saying "well if you don't like it, quit riding the bike!".

analogy FAIL.

 

[Mike_D202]

I said nothing to that effect. In fact I never even mentioned Lana in my post.

You were responding to a post that was responding to my opinion on the Lana arc. In fact most of the people who are ranting in this thread are ranting about the Lana arc, as you and a few others seem to be taken offense to the ranting.

Someone forces you to watch Smallville?

You know what I was referring too, I even mentioned it in my post.

analogy FAIL.

Actually, aside from you and other Clana fans, that anology fits perfectly.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

You were responding to a post that was responding to my opinion on the Lana arc. In fact most of the people who are ranting in this thread are ranting about the Lana arc,

My post had to do with the same people ranting over and over about the show, it had nothing to do with Lana even if MJZ's post did. I was making a generalization.,

as you and a few others seem to be taken offense to the ranting.

dont flatter yourself, I could honestly care less about who complains about what in here. Again, I was just clarifying MJZ's point.

Actually, aside from you and other Clana fans, that anology fits perfectly.

I'm not a "Clana" fan so dont try to label me simply because I disagree with you. I've already said the ending isnt the way I would've gone. Hell I wouldnt even be caught dead using those moronic K-Site name contractions. Your "anaology" still fails in that no one is forcing you to ride the bike and the show has been on for 8 years so most people with a functioning cortex would know what it's about by now.

 

[avidreader]

Well that's the thing, they never did grow apart. In fact they continued getting closer together steadily throughout these last seasons. That's why I could never buy their shoddy attempts to separate from each other. Seems to fit with the concept of the star-crossed lovers, something always getting in-between them, their happiness together only experienced in brief periods in time and ultimately denied to them forever. Quite Shakespearean, I dug it.

I happen to really enjoy both Lana and Lois on the show, so don't go pigeonholing your perceived idea of the "Clana fanbase."

Maybe if the show only went for 4-5 seasons and Lana didn't discover his secret till the very end of the series your gripes would hold more weight with me. The fact is that this show has morphed into something so far beyond anything that resembles the traditional comic book storyline. So stop comparing it to it.

You realize Lex knows his secret? How could Lois Lane, a character we should have NEVER known in this show, ever think that Clark and the eventual Superman are two different people? And those are just the big ones.

If there was a little icon that was a standing ovation I would have posted that, but instead we have to make do with the applause.

This is a re-imagining of the Superman mythos, thus all of your rules that you demand they abide by don't even exist. Anything can happen at this point. I've enjoyed the ride

Agree. I mean if you (generic you) have an argument then argue it on the merits of what's already incorporated into this show. Not on previous incarnations or events that have not as yet happened within the Smallville Universe. And if you have some general perceived idea of what it should be, that really boils down to just being a wish of what you want to see happen, then I think you can expect to be disappointed.

If Clark and Lana had been two other characters in some sci-fi show, then I bet the reaction to the end of their relationship would be totally different.

And dont start on me that this is Superman we're talking about.

 

[Mike_D202]

dont flatter yourself, I could honestly care less about who complains about what in here. Again, I was just clarifying MJZ's point.

Your attitude about my opinion on this whole arc is making me believe otherwise. You can make your opinion and debate against mine but when you throw an attitude because you don't want to hear people complain about the show then don't act surprised when your called on it.

And yes, the analogy still fits. The bike is the tv show, the crushing blow is the poorly written episode to appease Lana fans and urinates all over whats been building up this season.

 

[AgentPat]

It's been pointed out that SV is blazing it's own trail, but that's okay, because it's all about enjoying the ride and not about the mythology. Lex knows Clark's secret; Lana Lang is a superhero with powers and is toxic to Superman; every resident of Smallville recognizes Clark as Superman; Lois Lane is formally Chloe Sullivan...

...oh wait. Not every change to the mythos is okay, now is it?

Meh. When you buy a ticket to Paris, the expectation is to not end up in Timbuktu. It's one thing to enjoy the ride, but potholes are unpleasant, and when the bus takes passengers over every bump in the road simply because it can, some riders are going to start to look forward to getting back on the highway again. Note I said some, not all.

And on that note, I can't wait till March 12!

 

[Mike_D202]

I accepted the fact that its doing its own thing. Just frustrating when you see Lana Lang giving Clark Kent lessons on morals and heroism sans her super suit.

 

[Zorex]

Yay analogies! Analogies analogies, errverywhere.

I really liked Pat's, btw.

Quite looking forward to March 12. It just feels so darn far away. Argh.

 

[Serene]

My, my... as much as I'm snickering at all the heads hitting walls, bike and bus-riding, not to mention Timbuktu references, I am actually MOST amused by our Hulkster being called a "Clana fan." Heh! C'mon...that's hysterical, on more than one level. *ruffles Hulk's hair*

I also can't help but smile at how much passion (of both extremes) anything Lana-related tends to elicit. The girl may not make you happy, but she sure does keep the conversation going - even in threads for episodes she doesn't even appear in. Just sayin'... as long as they spell the name right.

Is it March 12 yet?

 

[StorminNorman]

Well that's the thing, they never did grow apart. In fact they continued getting closer together steadily throughout these last seasons. That's why I could never buy their shoddy attempts to separate from each other. Seems to fit with the concept of the star-crossed lovers, something always getting in-between them, their happiness together only experienced in brief periods in time and ultimately denied to them forever. Quite Shakespearean, I dug it.

You are really calling the use of a Kryptonite powered super powered suit Shakespearean. Really?

Sorry, but this was lazy, immature story writing.