Agent Carter Agent Carter General Discussion Thread

[Six]

Right...it shows us stuff that has now been resolved. It's like watching the end of a movie and then watching the rest of it. And the general audience is tuning out of AoS because for some reason they thought that there would be weekly appearances by Iron Man, Hulk or whoever else...they don't care about Deathlok, Blizzard etc because they have never heard of those characters.

I'm more interested than the average person, but what I want is development with the dead alien and other things that affect the future storylines.

Its nothing like watching the end of a movie. We don't know what transpires within those 60 years. We know Peggy Carter is alive in present day, so what? There are plenty of other characters that we don't know what happens to them, and there are plenty of characters they can introduce.

The reason Agents of SHIELD isn't as successful as it could be is because it doesn't have a strong enough premise. In order to co exist at the same time as the MCU movies it needs to be more interesting.

Agent Carter however is a period piece. There are no 1940s Avengers movies, we won't be saying "Why doesn't Cap help out Peggy Carter?" because we know what happened to him. Theres a lot more potential here. And its only 8 episodes per season instead of 22. Theres going to be a lot less filler here.

Plus, the Captain America writers are working on it. I seriously can't understand how anyone who is a fan of the MCU wouldn't be excited about it and the possibilities.

 

[Heretic]

You think that all we know about SHIELD in 2014 is that Peggy Carter is still alive?

Did you miss Captain America: The Winter Soldier and the last dozen or so episodes of Agents of SHIELD?

We know that Carter helped start SHIELD, and we know that they were infiltrated by Hydra to the point where the organization eventually became corrupt to the highest levels. We know that this was exposed and that the main organization fell.

I'm literally shocked that you missed this info. But for those of us who saw it, we have basically seen the end of this story and will now be given the rest of the story after the fact.

 

[Six]

Stop being obtuse. Yeah, HYDRA seeds itself in SHIELD and Howard Stark dies too. Season 1 will likely have nothing to do with HYDRA, and it certainly won't have anything to do with Howard's death.

Now use your imagination a little bit. Think of the decades and decades of comic book material they can translate on screen. HYDRA is on the back burner. They will likely set it up slowly, add in subtle hints alluding to HYDRA but things only the audience will realize.

 

[Six]

First teaser(in low quality)
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[Mike Murdock]

Confirmed that it starts in January (which I suspected, but good to see confirmed).

Agents of SHIELD is going 10 and then 12, right? So that means a few weeks gap around Christmas.

 

[Heretic]

Stop being obtuse. Yeah, HYDRA seeds itself in SHIELD and Howard Stark dies too. Season 1 will likely have nothing to do with HYDRA, and it certainly won't have anything to do with Howard's death.

Now use your imagination a little bit. Think of the decades and decades of comic book material they can translate on screen. HYDRA is on the back burner. They will likely set it up slowly, add in subtle hints alluding to HYDRA but things only the audience will realize.

Right. We won't see the stuff that matters and will instead have stories that don't matter at all to the world we know today. Peggy running around doing things that ultimately dont matter for a season or 2. Marvel is lucky that I only watch 2 or 3 shows because I'd try to find a reason to miss that show.

If its not about Hydra and not about The Winter Soldier, then it needs to be about that blue alien or SOMETHING that will impact the world we care about. If it's not, then ratings will not be good. "Agents of SHIELD, starring a female, set in the 40's" is not going to pull in ratings by itself.

This isn't about ME opening my mind. It's about what the general public wants to watch. The general public doesn't care to see SHIELD rebuild in the present day, so why would they care to see it built in the past after we've seen it be dismantled? They wouldn't...because that's like watching the end of a movie and then watching the rest.

 

[Vartha]

I wish they'd show more of Carter's show. We haven't seen a whole lot

 

[Silvermoon]

I wish they'd show more of Carter's show. We haven't seen a whole lot

Well, according to Hayley's tweet last night, it sounds like they only just finished filming episode 2. So right now it's probably just that they don't have a whole lot that's ready to show yet.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

"Sometimes the best man for the job, is a woman"
Hahahahaha... ha ha ha ha

Seriously, that's a terrible line

But still, the synopsis sounds great. I'm so pleased there's a plot angle other than "weren't the 40s terribly sexist?"

 

[wampa1]

Right. We won't see the stuff that matters and will instead have stories that don't matter at all to the world we know today. Peggy running around doing things that ultimately dont matter for a season or 2. Marvel is lucky that I only watch 2 or 3 shows because I'd try to find a reason to miss that show.

If its not about Hydra and not about The Winter Soldier, then it needs to be about that blue alien or SOMETHING that will impact the world we care about. If it's not, then ratings will not be good. "Agents of SHIELD, starring a female, set in the 40's" is not going to pull in ratings by itself.

This isn't about ME opening my mind. It's about what the general public wants to watch. The general public doesn't care to see SHIELD rebuild in the present day, so why would they care to see it built in the past after we've seen it be dismantled? They wouldn't...because that's like watching the end of a movie and then watching the rest.

The general public are idiots. I couldn't care less if I was the only one watching. I'm interested in seeing and that's all that matters.

 

[wampa1]

It's sweet of you to be concerned about the general public though.

 

[Six]

Right. We won't see the stuff that matters and will instead have stories that don't matter at all to the world we know today. Peggy running around doing things that ultimately dont matter for a season or 2. Marvel is lucky that I only watch 2 or 3 shows because I'd try to find a reason to miss that show.

If its not about Hydra and not about The Winter Soldier, then it needs to be about that blue alien or SOMETHING that will impact the world we care about. If it's not, then ratings will not be good. "Agents of SHIELD, starring a female, set in the 40's" is not going to pull in ratings by itself.

This isn't about ME opening my mind. It's about what the general public wants to watch. The general public doesn't care to see SHIELD rebuild in the present day, so why would they care to see it built in the past after we've seen it be dismantled? They wouldn't...because that's like watching the end of a movie and then watching the rest.

Yeah I guess you're right, thats probably why Agents of SHIELD is the only show on television, because the general audiences refuse to watch anything that doesn't involve HYDRA or the Winter Soldier.

 

[Heretic]

Yeah I guess you're right, thats probably why Agents of SHIELD is the only show on television, because the general audiences refuse to watch anything that doesn't involve HYDRA or the Winter Soldier.

I know you think you're being clever, but you're not.

This isn't Big Bang theory or Law And Order...it's a piece of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. VERY few people are going to watch the show unless they have some interest in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. As with anything, many people will avoid it because of its ties to other Marvel properties.

I'd like to see exactly what percentage of AoS viewers don't watch the movies. I'd bet that it's an incredibly tiny number.

 

[Six]

So you're saying the fact that its connected to the MCU is going to be a deterrent? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

 

[Heretic]

So you're saying the fact that its connected to the MCU is going to be a deterrent? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

No, and that is obvious. You know it is.

If your assertion is that this show will bring in NEW people who aren't already fans of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then you're probably delusional.

EVERY show has built in reasons why people don't watch. If you really don't like Horror, you aren't watching The Walking Dead. That means that SOME people REFUSE to watch that show. Meanwhile, that show is the most popular show on tv. Some people don't like sitcoms, so because of that, they dont care to see The Big Bang Theory...yet that show is outrageously popular.

Agent Carter starts with a fanbase...the Marvel fans. Agents of SHIELD started with this same fanbase. If you aren't a Marvel fan, you likely aren't interested in this. So...the PEAK ratings would be somewhere around what A0S has gotten in the past. Then, add in the fact that this is about the birth of an organization that has already been dismantled in the present...and there is ZERO chance of Iron Man or Black Widow showing up...and the fact that the general audience has given up on Agents of SHIELD, which this show WILL be considered a part of...and you end up with a show that will likely get lower ratings than AoS.

But you know all of that. Ultimately, if the ratings for this show are higher than AoS, then you will have a point. If they are lower than AoS, then I'll have a point.

 

[Six]

No, and that is obvious. You know it is.

If your assertion is that this show will bring in NEW people who aren't already fans of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then you're probably delusional.

EVERY show has built in reasons why people don't watch. If you really don't like Horror, you aren't watching The Walking Dead.

I don't like horror, I actually can't stand it, but I watch the Walking Dead and its my favourite show on tv right now. It transcends the genre. It took a lot of convincing to get me to watch it but I did.

Agent Carter starts with a fanbase...the Marvel fans. Agents of SHIELD started with this same fanbase. If you aren't a Marvel fan, you likely aren't interested in this. So...the PEAK ratings would be somewhere around what A0S has gotten in the past. Then, add in the fact that this is about the birth of an organization that has already been dismantled in the present...and there is ZERO chance of Iron Man or Black Widow showing up...and the fact that the general audience has given up on Agents of SHIELD, which this show WILL be considered a part of...and you end up with a show that will likely get lower ratings than AoS.

But you know all of that. Ultimately, if the ratings for this show are higher than AoS, then you will have a point. If they are lower than AoS, then I'll have a point.

You're delusional if you don't think its going to bring in new fans. Its going to bring in Lyndsy Fonseca fans. Its going to bring in Chad Michael Murray fans. Its going to bring in Enver Gjokaj fans. Its going to bring in fans of 1940s period pieces in. Its going to bring in people who aren't big fans of the Marvel movies but like Agents of SHIELD, and vice versa.

 

[Heretic]

The fact is that every property automatically has a limited audience, because the entire world cant agree on anything. There are people who simply are not interested in a prequel to Agents of SHIELD. Wow...its set in the 40's...so...yeah...that'll bring in all 3 viewers who wouldn't watch anyway.

Generally speaking, the audience for this show is Marvel fans...mostly the ones who AREN'T soured on Agents of SHIELD. It has an advantage in that it's new...so, like AoS, it can go a few weeks based on that alone and will likely debut higher than A0S's weekly average. But can it go multiple seasons without some MAJOR connections to movies or things that matter? I dont think so.

 

[Six]

Stop thinking of it as a "prequel to AoS". Think of it in its own right. Seriously man. It'll start off with a lot of viewers and how much it declines is based on the quality.

I think it can go on as long as they have ideas. Marvel practically prints money at this point. Enough people are going to watch it to get another season.

 

[rashad]

Is this a limited series?

 

[Heretic]

Stop thinking of it as a "prequel to AoS". Think of it in its own right. Seriously man. It'll start off with a lot of viewers and how much it declines is based on the quality.

I think it can go on as long as they have ideas. Marvel practically prints money at this point. Enough people are going to watch it to get another season.

Why are you asking ME to stop thinking of it as a prequel? I'm giving you what I think the general viewing audience will think of it.

Regardless, its currently only set for 8 episodes, and I don't think it'll bleed TOO much of its initial audience in that short span.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

Horrible and cheesy promo. Hopefully the promos closer to the premiere actually showcase the story, connections to the Marvel world, etc rather than simply screaming "LOOK! A WOMAN KICKING ASS!"

 

[Intouch]

Here's a better quality

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[Gr0oT]

Nevermind.

 

[Six]

Horrible and cheesy promo. Hopefully the promos closer to the premiere actually showcase the story, connections to the Marvel world, etc rather than simply screaming "LOOK! A WOMAN KICKING ASS!"

I hate ABC, or rather Networks in general. The promos are always terrible. Like with Agents of SHIELD. "Next Time on Agents of SHIELD: The team faces a terrible threat, and Coulson/May/Skye keeps a terrible secret from the team. Will they make it out alive? Featuring a super secret guest star that you'll wish we had kept secret... It's Samuel L. Jackson, and here he is in the most spoilerific scene in the episode."

 

[Gr0oT]

They push for the 'strong independent women' allure yet the first shot is almost an upskirt of her pulling up garters.

I don't mind but it sort of feels like a contradiction to the premise they are promoting isn't it, and probably a turn off to the female audience it is trying to ensnare.

I'm sure plenty of SJWs are raging.