BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[MrsKent26]

The Cavill stuff really bums me out. I can't think of another actor his age with the looks, charm and charisma he has. Just look at ALL the set pics and video of him living his dream (playing Superman) and he's going to be remembered as the 'joyless' one who punches things really hard. Ugh. Waste

Indeed. Superman is a hard role to cast. They've gotten it right, luckily, but are completely wasting it. They're chucking away this one little bit of "lightening in a bottle."

 

[Poni_Boy]

I know this is a little Off topic, but certain things need to be pointed out. There is some weird double standard going on.

It's not that hard dude. Report posts you find offensive. Mods will review them. And don't be a dick. Calling people "haters" and "Marvel trolls" left and right gives you no credence to complain. And you might be forgetting every user has a posting history on their page. Guess what the mods check? If you're getting ignored it might be because you're crying wolf. How about stop wasting pages whining about people and talk about the movie

 

[jmc]

Mods are paid off by Marvel, right?

They are lining everyone's pockets. Don't you know? Critics, audiences, bloggers, now mods on internet forums. The evil Marvel empire is bribing everybody.

 

[Lencho01]

Oh, an old, defunct version. *phew* I thought you guys meant the Ezra Miller one.

Oh, yeah. It was just a general statement of how the WB execs really don't know anything when it comes to DC. Remember after TDK, Robinov said they were then going to take all JL characters to the "darkest they allow" or something to that effect.

 

[Poni_Boy]

This kind of antagonistic behavior that you and many others have here and everywhere in the Internet is what is damaging the creation of the DCCU. The problem is that Warner IS listening to you and not realizing that their method isn't working, and even if it doesn't work, they still have a rabid fan base that will defend it no matter what.

And no, that doesn't mean that it's good for you or anyone that likes these characters, it means that the lack of understanding of what you really want instead of what you are saying is killing the DCCU. You and everyone else want these films to be good. I respect you and all the others that think it's great, but there is a reason why it failed both with the audiences and critics.

Let this sink in: Ant Man made more on its second Thursday than Batman v Superman. With Wonder Woman in it. It isn't a mild disappointment. It's a colossal failure. One that will need a lot of work to be corrected, one that will take Warner giving the general audience something to be hopeful for, a new direction, and with that, a different take on these characters. And if that happens and they work hard even if they have to delay Justice League, it won't be just you loving it, but everyone else, and that's what all of us should be aiming for: better films.

And Deadpool is going to have a larger domestic gross. Deadpool. With an R rating. Jesus. It's so sad.

 

[danoyse]

I couldn't disagree more. It has nothing to do with saying things I don't want to hear. There is a double standard. Go through the posts where there was the discussion of plot holes. Multiple posters gave well thought out answers to the questions other posters posed as plot holes only to be ignored or ridiculed for either being wrong or because it wasn't explained in the film even though it was. Then when asked about those same plot holes in Marvel films a poster answered by posting the exact same level of leaps of logic and filling in the gaps that they spent the majority of the thread criticizing defenders of the film for. I'm not being any more antagonistic than the posters I'm referring to.

No it's not but it is a DC forum. It's not a Praise Marvel forum. There are Marvel forums to praise Marvel. As I said off topic doesn't matter.

A lot of people have been given a free pass on making fun of everything related to the movie, including fans, and i don't understand why. Especially in a forum who seems to have such strict rules.

For clarification:

People that come in here just to say “DC sucks and Marvel rules!!!!” get their posts deleted and infracted - and if you see those posts and there’s no mod around, absolutely report them so they can be dealt with. That is a DC/Marvel flame war, and it is unnecessary.

You can’t see the posts have been deleted, or the infractions that have gone out. I can, and believe me, there are plenty of them.

Discussing the box office, both pros and cons, and comparing one business model to another is not a “DC vs Marvel” flame war. If you’re talking about superhero franchises, it’s impossible to talk about one without talking about the other.

Talking about Marvel, or Star Wars, isn’t forbidden here. Using one as weapon against the other is.

Should Civil War be a bigger hit than BvS, any twit who decides to use this forum to take a victory lap over it will be infracted or worse for it. Same goes for any BvS fan who tries something similar in the Civil War forums.

We have posters here getting attacked or whined at because simply because they are saying things about this business, or the box office of BvS that they don’t want to hear. That’s not acceptable either.

Understand what the conversation is before throwing accusations around.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Routh?

Actually I think Routh would have made a perfect Hal Jordan. He's kind of an ass in a funny way

 

[Kobra]

Crapping on a movie is hardly a crime.

Anything you can get infracted for in this forum is hardly a crime. What's your point? We have mods and we have rules so things can run smoothly. Just the other day flickchick85 was defining a troll as someone who comes here just to post inflamatory posts. What's an inflamatory post? Maybe being 100% negative about everything? Or calling people delusional? Or saying you only like the movie because you're starving? Can these classify as inflamatory? I think they can.There have been plenty of that here, with little repercussions. I'm starting to think that it all depends on who posts those inflamatory posts, and about what.

 

[DeadStroke]

Civil War is about to take over social media this weekend and the next few weeks.

Maybe this pressure's WB to drop the Director's Cut some time in June.

 

[jmc]

Anything you can get infracted for in this forum is hardly a crime. What's your point? We have mods and we have rules so things can run smoothly. Just the other day flickchick85 was defining a troll as someone who comes here just to post inflamatory posts. What's an inflamatory post? Maybe being 100% negative about everything? Or calling people delusional? Or saying you only like the movie because you're starving? Can these classify as inflamatory? I think they can.There have been plenty of that here, with little repercussions. I'm starting to think that it all depends on who posts those inflamatory posts, and about what.

I have my own issues with how this site is run and its rules but maybe the issue is yourself and people like you being too sensitive to negativity.

 

[STARMAN]

Squandering Cavill frustrates me most of all. That's why I want a solo standalone film with a different director. I want to see Cavill as Superman without Snyder's influence.

 

[danoyse]

Anything you can get infracted for in this forum is hardly a crime. What's your point? We have mods and we have rules so things can run smoothly. Just the other day flickchick85 was defining a troll as someone who comes here just to post inflamatory posts. What's an inflamatory post? Maybe being 100% negative about everything? Or calling people delusional? Or saying you only like the movie because you're starving? Can these classify as inflamatory? I think they can.There have been plenty of that here, with little repercussions. I'm starting to think that it all depends on who posts those inflamatory posts, and about what.

Yes, we have meetings to see which posters we should infract today, because we have nothing better to do.

You don’t get infracted for being too negative. You get infracted when you get all mad for flaming the entire forum because they don’t agree with you. That kind of talking (and I don’t care if you hated BvS or loved it) will get you infracted.

We don’t love coming in here and banning and infracting people. It’s exhausting. We’d rather just come in and discuss this stuff like everyone else.

 

[Adam Zuge]

Civil War is about to take over social media this weekend and the next few weeks.

Maybe this pressure's WB to drop the Director's Cut some time in June.

Maybe it'll pressure WB to drop the director and take their time to get Justice League right. Maybe WB is just waiting to actually decide to pull the plug and think their way out of this. All I know is that if they rethink their ways and take Snyder out of the equation, they have me back. If they get a director that can make these characters Justice and at same time accessible, they'll get everyone back. That's how strong these characters are, whatever it's thrown against them if people that work hard to make them work like they are supposed to, they are able to literally get back on their feet and start kicking.

Here's to hoping.

 

[jasontodd]

This kind of antagonistic behavior that you and many others have here and everywhere in the Internet is what is damaging the creation of the DCCU. The problem is that Warner IS listening to you and not realizing that their method isn't working, and even if it doesn't work, they still have a rabid fan base that will defend it no matter what.

And no, that doesn't mean that it's good for you or anyone that likes these characters, it means that the lack of understanding of what you really want instead of what you are saying is killing the DCCU. You and everyone else want these films to be good. I respect you and all the others that think it's great, but there is a reason why it failed both with the audiences and critics.

Let this sink in: Ant Man made more on its second Thursday than Batman v Superman. With Wonder Woman in it. It isn't a mild disappointment. It's a colossal failure. One that will need a lot of work to be corrected, one that will take Warner giving the general audience something to be hopeful for, a new direction, and with that, a different take on these characters. And if that happens and they work hard even if they have to delay Justice League, it won't be just you loving it, but everyone else, and that's what all of us should be aiming for: better films.

Where is my behavior antagonistic??? So because I loved this movie and don't particularly enjoy watching it be torn to shreds then I'm antagonistic?

I do know what I really want. I have no "lack of understanding" what I really want. I don't want the comic book film landscape to become homogenized. I appreciate the more grandiose and ambitious storytelling in Batman V Superman. I appreciate the mythological take on the character's I love. That doesn't make me someone with a lack of understanding for what I really want. I can just as easily get perfect enjoyment out of the episode of Batman the Brave and the Bold where Batman and Superman have a physical confrontation with all its Silver Age and Dark Knight Returns Batman and Superman references as I did with Batman V Superman watching a physical confrontation between the same two characters also with Dark Knight Returns references. I love seeing our modern myths realized in different ways. However I personally love the ambitious take that Batman V Superman attempted. There are a plethora of extremely well written articles or commentaries by individuals who saw the film the way I did and the way it was intended. That doesn't make me better than people who disliked it but it certainly doesn't make me worse than them, and I ask again where was I antagonistic?

 

[danoyse]

But there are a handful of posters who have been mocking people who like the movie for weeks and that has been acceptable until now. I swear to god that i seem more warnings to people who complain about those who troll than to people who actually troll, which is making everything a little confusing to me. Do you get a pass depending on who you are in this forum and on what you're crapping on?

No, it’s not acceptable. If you see posts like that, report them. A mod will investigate and take action.

Like I said, you can’t see all of the posts that have been deleted here, you can’t see all of the infractions that have gone out, and you can’t see all of the people put on probation because they couldn’t behave in here.

There’s ugliness on both sides. Don’t assume it’s only happening to you, because it’s not.

 

[Flint Marko]

If you stay on topic, discuss things in a civil manner, and learn to pick your battles, this is easily one of the most hospitable places on the Internet for discussions regarding superhero films.

 

[STARMAN]

I expect JL to go on as planned. When they delayed filming of BvS from Feb 2014 to May 2014, I think word leaked out because some crew members were told to halt and then there was this crazy rumor of the film being delayed because Ben injured himself skiing before a late Friday night report announced the temporary delay.

 

[MrsKent26]

Squandering Cavill frustrates me most of all. That's why I want a solo standalone film with a different director. I want to see Cavill as Superman without Snyder's influence.

Ditto. Although I'm not sure which director. The best superman handlers I can think of are comic writers.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Maybe I'm naive but the fact that a bunch of DC fans on a forum dedicated to discussing arguably the biggest DC movie production ever made are so at war with each other about said movie means the movie is a failure. If DC fans can't even band together to like this kind of movie how in the hell can it be expected to spark interest with general moviegoers?

 

[king666]

I honestly wonder how Ben Affleck really feels about this whole mess. He's been trying to rebuild his reputation and this Batman thing seems like a step in the wrong direction for him. I think he's respected in WB, so he's probably pulling some strings there.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Here's to hoping.

On my world it's just an S

 

[-Arya-]

Squandering Cavill frustrates me most of all. That's why I want a solo standalone film with a different director. I want to see Cavill as Superman without Snyder's influence.

If JL is received poorly, I doubt we will be seeing Superman on screen again for a while. BvS's ending just threw this character into the garbage bin as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Flint Marko]

I honestly wonder how Ben Affleck really feels about this whole mess. He's been trying to rebuild his reputation and this Batman thing seems like a step in the wrong direction for him. I think he's respected in WB, so he's probably pulling some strings there.

Been wondering the same thing for a while. Part of me thinks that whatever he truly feels is buried beneath the mounds of money WB is throwing his way. He probably feels it'd be financially irresponsible to not be Batman.

 

[Adam Zuge]

Where is my behavior antagonistic??? So because I loved this movie and don't particularly enjoy watching it be torn to shreds then I'm antagonistic?

I do know what I really want. I have no "lack of understanding" what I really want. I don't want the comic book film landscape to become homogenized. I appreciate the more grandiose and ambitious storytelling in Batman V Superman. I appreciate the mythological take on the character's I love. That doesn't make me someone with a lack of understanding for what I really want. I can just as easily get perfect enjoyment out of the episode of Batman the Brave and the Bold where Batman and Superman have a physical confrontation with all its Silver Age and Dark Knight Returns Batman and Superman references as I did with Batman V Superman watching a physical confrontation between the same two characters also with Dark Knight Returns references. I love seeing our modern myths realized in different ways. However I personally love the ambitious take that Batman V Superman attempted. There are a plethora of extremely well written articles or commentaries by individuals who saw the film the way I did and the way it was intended. That doesn't make me better than people who disliked it but it certainly doesn't make me worse than them, and I ask again where was I antagonistic?

Please, don't take it personally, I've tried to mean more in general than your attitude. I barely post here but I was anticipating this film like a mad man. It didn't work for me, but other acclaimed films didn't either. The problem isn't about your or mine personal tastes, it's that this film isn't clicking how it should, and there is a reason for that.

These DC versus Marvel flame wars are silly and are doing in my opinion real damage to the direction that Warner is taking. It's my opinion that every studio should look at what is working and try to find ways to adequate that if they have the opportunity. I respect your opinion, but the reception this film is having is not what it should have been. You are a hardcore fanboy, I am a hardcore fanboy, they "getting" us should be easy. It turns out that it wasn't, and this could damage severely our chances of having a working cinematic universe with DC characters. I'm just saying that after what happened with this film, Warner should stop and rethink their strategy, not going with Snyder for a third time with no questions asked.

Having producers working close to him is just not good enough. What they need is a miracle, and real fresh blood there to give us a more accessible take of these characters and world. Accessible like Nolan's TDK and yes, the Marvel Cinematic Universe or what Star Wars is doing right now. Have a real plan going for them.

 

[C. Lee]

But there are a handful of posters who have been mocking people who like the movie for weeks and that has been acceptable until now. I swear to god that i seem more warnings to people who complain about those who troll than to people who actually troll, which is making everything a little confusing to me. Do you get a pass depending on who you are in this forum and on what you're crapping on?

I have told EVERYONE in this forum to stop the complaining about what other posters say and get back to talking about the movie....I have told you personally a half dozen times to stop it...you don't stop it...you are now on probation.

We the staff have a better understanding of what is trolling and what is someone saying something you don't agree with. You complain over and over about someone saying something you don't agree with, I'm really really sorry that the everyone in the world does not share the same opinions that you do.....but that's life.....guess what.....life is full of things that you will not agree with and people who will not agree with you. Grow up.