BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[Poni_Boy]

It's my opinion that every studio should look at what is working and try to find ways to adequate that if they have the opportunity.

Isn't that how every industry should work successfully? You take what another company does right, and try to make it better, thus giving your target demographic a superior product. That's what Japan did with the whiskey industry. 50 years ago who would have thought Japanese whiskey would be the best in the world? But it is. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel, just perfect it. DC should have taken Marvel's wildly successful strategy and modified it to best fit their characters.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Ditto. Although I'm not sure which director. The best superman handlers I can think of are comic writers.

Edgar Wright.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Edgar Wright.

With a script by Drew Goddard

 

[flickchick85]

Anything you can get infracted for in this forum is hardly a crime. What's your point? We have mods and we have rules so things can run smoothly. Just the other day flickchick85 was defining a troll as someone who comes here just to post inflamatory posts. What's an inflamatory post? Maybe being 100% negative about everything? Or calling people delusional? Or saying you only like the movie because you're starving? Can these classify as inflamatory? I think they can.There have been plenty of that here, with little repercussions. I'm starting to think that it all depends on who posts those inflamatory posts, and about what.

I know you're on probation now but feel the need to clarify anyway since my name was dropped: What I said in the post you're referencing was that a troll was someone who comes to post inflammatory posts just to get a rise of out people and stir things up. As in, they aren't actually here to participate in any discussion. Like the example danoyse used - if someone just drops in to say "Marvel rules and DC sucks!" Well they're just doing that to get a reaction out of people, and that's what trolling is. The posters you seem to be complaining about are actually engaging in discussion here, and yes, they are saying negative things that the people who liked the movie don't want to hear, but nothing about that is against the rules.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

With a script by Drew Goddard

Since we are dreaming: a script by Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.

 

[Limonade]

This movie is far more divisive than MoS due to the continued liberties it maintained with Superman and new ones made with Batman. It was bound to happen when a direction this drastic occurs with two of the most iconic superheroes in the world.

Arguments, Discussions, Comments (both good or bad) will be had. It's part of what comes with geek culture. This movie isn't universally loved for reasons I may or may not share. But I come here to listen to both viewpoints.

Right now, fans of BvS aren't putting up a good debate on the merits of the film. Not saying they are wrong for liking the movie, because tastes are different. But underneath the debate, there's an undying love to see these characters at the greatest and shown for what they truly are... Heroes.

 

[Adam Zuge]

Isn't that how every industry should work successfully? You take what another company does right, and try to make it better, thus giving your target demographic a superior product. That's what Japan did with the whiskey industry. 50 years ago who would have thought Japanese whiskey would be the best in the world? But it is. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel, just perfect it. DC should have taken Marvel's wildly successful strategy and modified it to best fit their characters.

And like danoyse said, it isn't even exactly that Marvel reinvented the wheel, what they did is a great analogue to what WB did before with the TAS cartoon series. They had a fully fleshed cartoon universe going for them and I can't think of any western company doing that before. All it takes is Warner look at how Marvel AND WB themselves did it in the past and apply it to live action. Get people that love and understand these characters, not people that think they need to reinvent them to their tastes. Make stories that elevate them having the characters dictate the story, not change them to the point they look like the real thing, but are unrecognizable inside. Get them more than visually, having striking visuals is simply just not enough.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Since we are dreaming: From Executive Producers Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.

Fixed

 

[BatLobster]

You know, I do feel sorta bad for the kids but at the same time...they're still growing up in the greatest era for all this stuff, between the Marvel films and now Star Wars. They're getting their fix and then some.

Meanwhile, seeing Batman Returns in the cinema at the age of 5 (a film that gave me nightmares) is what ended up making me the huge Bat-fan I am today. I'm just don't want to subscribe to a line of thinking where "dark superhero movie"= bad. BvS has plenty of other issues besides tone, and may be something a flawed concept to begin with. Batman should be dark, that's what works for him. The whole initial appeal of the character to me as a child was that Gotham an awful place filled with scariest villains, and this guy dressed as a bat was the rock I could cling to. In other words, Batman was a hero. Even when Keaton's Batman killed (which I probably brushed off as Looney Tunes violence), at least I knew he was just trying to stop the bad guys. A simplistic way to look at it, but yeah. I guess what I'm saying is that the context of all of Batman's actions change when there's no bad guy he's after...just Superman, and a Superman that doesn't really feel like Superman at that. I'm not sure what a kid is to make of that. I'm conflicted about that, because on one hand my introduction to the character had a lot of disturbing s*** in it and I still turned out okay. On the other hand, at least I had someone to root for, which BvS doesn't really supply until 2 hours into the movie.

It's too bad kids these days don't have a wholesome, optimistic Superman to look up, but hey- at least they've got Cap. I think WB/DC clearly are very lost right now, but they've always been very hit or miss when it comes to their superhero properties. I can't pretend this is some crime against humanity. The kids are fine, they've got more and better superhero movies to enjoy than we ever did.

Except TMNT. 90s Turtles was wayyyy better.

 

[C. Lee]

Some things people need to think about and know....especially some of the new guys.

There is a REPORT POST button in the lower left corner of every post made. If you see a post that you think needs reporting because of it's content, you click on it, and you write why you think we need to look at it.

Every reported post goes to the staff area for reported posts. We ALL can see them, we ALL can look into them, we ALL can see what was done about it. Sometimes we do nothing about it....because there is no need for anything to be done. Not agreeing with someone's OPINION about something does not warrant a report or something being done about it. Do not abuse the report button.

This is a site for DISCUSSION of superhero movies. Every single poster on here will NEVER agree with every other single poster on here. People will have different opinions than you do. They are allowed to express that different opinion....just as you are allowed to express your different opinion from theirs. If someone has a different opinion than you do...it DOES NOT make them a troll. Belittling or attacking someone for having a different opinion than you do does make you a troll. If you can not argue, debate, or discuss things with people civilly....then leave....now.

 

[Adam Zuge]

I have told EVERYONE in this forum to stop the complaining about what other posters say and get back to talking about the movie....I have told you personally a half dozen times to stop it...you don't stop it...you are now on probation.

We the staff have a better understanding of what is trolling and what is someone saying something you don't agree with. You complain over and over about someone saying something you don't agree with, I'm really really sorry that the everyone in the world does not share the same opinions that you do.....but that's life.....guess what.....life is full of things that you will not agree with and people who will not agree with you. Grow up.

Since you all are here, can you help me retrieve it my account that I've lost my password and can't remember the password or email for the life of me? My old username is Talion, but I've been away for so long that I forgot my password or my e-mail, if you can get me the e-mail address via pm, I think I'll be able to retrieve it back.

 

[king666]

Been wondering the same thing for a while. Part of me thinks that whatever he truly feels is buried beneath the mounds of money WB is throwing his way. He probably feels it'd be financially irresponsible to not be Batman.

Idk. He's probably making some serious cash, but still... I don't think he's indifferent to the reception of this movie. And now there's Snyder's Justice League. If Snyder ****s this up (and there's a good chance he will), Affleck's gonna face a LOT of scrutiny. People won't care if it's Snyder's fault or WB's fault or whatever. It's gonna be Affleck's face on those billboards.

 

[WBwins]

Since we are dreaming: a script by Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.

God yesss.
I have to say I'm really Glad to see your guys care for Supes so much

 

[CrystalShaman]

I really think if JL underperforms with audience the same way as B v S , it will turn them off these characters for a while.

 

[Adam Zuge]

I really think if JL underperforms with audience the same way as B v S , it will turn them off these characters for a while.

There's time to WB to change all that. It all starts with not having Snyder for the third time and taking their time to get the Justice League right, find someone that is capable to trace a plan to make them as epic and accessible as they can be. The interest for these characters obviously exists, it just needs to be fully explored.

 

[Flint Marko]

Idk. He's probably making some serious cash, but still... I don't think he's indifferent to the reception of this movie. And now there's Snyder's Justice League. If Snyder ****s this up (and there's a good chance he will), Affleck's gonna face a LOT of scrutiny. People won't care if it's Snyder's fault or WB's fault or whatever. It's gonna be Affleck's face on those billboards.

True. If I had to guess I'd say that at this moment he's pushing back against some things at WB behind the scenes to steer this franchise in the right direction.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

God yesss.
I have to say I'm really Glad to see your guys care for Supes so much

I'd love to have Bruce Timm involved in some way

 

[-Arya-]

I really think if JL underperforms with audience the same way as B v S , it will turn them off these characters for a while.

It will hurt the DC brand across all media for sure, and most likely well into the next decade. This is how you lose sales in merchandise, toys, comics etc...

 

[Adam Zuge]

It will hurt the DC brand across all media for sure, and most likely well into the next decade. This is how you lose sales in merchandise, toys, comics etc...

And if they are going with all franchises and what could be seen as their "main franchise" starts to fizzle out, they might be inadvertedly getting themselves ready for a buy out.

 

[-Arya-]

And if they are going with all franchises and what could be seen as their "main franchise" starts to fizzle out, they might be inadvertedly getting themselves ready for a buy out.

And they'll have nobody to blame but themselves for entrusting the most important films to a mediocre director.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'd love to have Bruce Timm involved in some way

I mean, while we're fantasizing...

From Executive Producer Bruce Timm

With Producers Paul Dini & George Miller

Henry Cavill is The Man of Steel in:

SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT

A Film by Edgar Wright

Written by Drew Goddard based on a story by Mark Waid & Grant Morrison​

 

[jasontodd]

Please, don't take it personally, I've tried to mean more in general than your attitude. I barely post here but I was anticipating this film like a mad man. It didn't work for me, but other acclaimed films didn't either. The problem isn't about your or mine personal tastes, it's that this film isn't clicking how it should, and there is a reason for that.

These DC versus Marvel flame wars are silly and are doing in my opinion real damage to the direction that Warner is taking. It's my opinion that every studio should look at what is working and try to find ways to adequate that if they have the opportunity. I respect your opinion, but the reception this film is having is not what it should have been. You are a hardcore fanboy, I am a hardcore fanboy, they "getting" us should be easy. It turns out that it wasn't, and this could damage severely our chances of having a working cinematic universe with DC characters. I'm just saying that after what happened with this film, Warner should stop and rethink their strategy, not going with Snyder for a third time with no questions asked.

Having producers working close to him is just not good enough. What they need is a miracle, and real fresh blood there to give us a more accessible take of these characters and world. Accessible like Nolan's TDK and yes, the Marvel Cinematic Universe or what Star Wars is doing right now. Have a real plan going for them.

I understand and appreciate the response. I do obviously want much more DC films and for them to be successful.

 

[Adam Zuge]

I mean, while we're fantasizing...

From Executive Producer Bruce Timm

With Producers Paul Dini & George Miller

Henry Cavill is The Man of Steel in:

SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT

A Film by Edgar Wright

Written by Drew Goddard based on a story by Mark Waid & Grant Morrison​

Don't make me dream like this.

 

[MrsKent26]

Edgar Wright.

I've heard this before and I'm curious about why. I'm not that familiar with him, but I don't see anything that promising in his previous works.

Since we are dreaming: a script by Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.

Yes. Especially Morrison.

I'd love to have Bruce Timm involved in some way

Perhaps for batman and others, but not so much for superman.

 

[Sevprince]

John Lasseter over at Pixar too. You need someone running the show, you can't just leave it in the hands of one director to run everything.

David Heyman and JKR on Harry Potter. WB won't even look into their in-house success. It wasn't whoever director that was hired that turn HP into what it is today.

Is common sense that if you what a big overreaching franchise, you have to have someone there to oversee the whole thing and make sure character integrity is maintained through.