BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 295

[Infinity9999x]

I understand having passion for these characters (heck, my favorite character: Aquaman is treated as a joke, even among comic book fans). Disappointed, I can understand too (although I don't agree with that sentiment regarding Superman in BvS).

But, being heartbroken about something like this is just silly, especially considering the issues we are facing in real world.

I imagine there's always a level of hyperbole when people type things like that, and again, it's how some people feel. Sure, we can do the "things can be worse" thing, but things can always be worse. You can't try to compare people's emotions. The second you try to use the "My real world problems are much more worthy of heartbreak" logic, someone else can come along and say, "This persons 3rd world problems are much more worthy of heartbreak than yours, so it's really pretty silly that you're sad at all as well," and the cycle keeps going.

People feel how they feel. You may not agree, and that's perfectly fine, but judging someone's emotions or trying to tell them what they feel is wrong never gets anyone anywhere.

 

[FunkMiller]

Did someone say bring in Berlanti? I just spit my coffee out. The only thing he can do is write superhero love triangles.

If you say so, chief. I think he's doing a magnificent job of creating a DC TV universe.

 

[Plaidchuck]

If you say so, chief. I think he's doing a magnificent job of creating a DC TV universe.

I'm sorry but I can't agree. Arrow has been trash outside of the deathstroke arc and Flash fell off a cliff this season. The only DC show I enjoy is Gotham because it embraces comic campiness and has some odes to the Burton movies.

Supergirl is alright but it's basically low budget remakes of superman stories.

 

[TripleJ]

I imagine there's always a level of hyperbole when people type things like that, and again, it's how some people feel. Sure, we can do the "things can be worse" thing, but things can always be worse. You can't try to compare people's emotions. The second you try to use the "My real world problems are much more worthy of heartbreak" logic, someone else can come along and say, "This persons 3rd world problems are much more worthy of heartbreak than yours, so it's really pretty silly that you're sad at all as well," and the cycle keeps going.

People feel how they feel. You may not agree, and that's perfectly fine, but judging someone's emotions or trying to tell them what they feel is wrong never gets anyone anywhere.

Yeah, I guess. I may have been a bit too fast on typing that response...without thinking about that.



Anyways, thanks.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

The first 2 times I saw this movie was in regular IMAX and 2d. For my 3rd time, I was thinking about going 3D. Is it worth it?

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm sorry but I can't agree. Arrow has been trash outside of the deathstroke arc and Flash fell off a cliff this season. The only DC show I enjoy is Gotham because it embraces comic campiness and has some odes to the Burton movies.

Supergirl is alright but it's basically low budget remakes of superman stories.

Fair enough. I love Flash and think Gotham is dreadful. One man's meat is another man's poison!

 

[kpknicks]

There's a degree of revisionist history that goes on with this film.

People act as if Batman V Superman was always the planned follow up film and that was why Man of Steel ended the way it did. Man of Steel 2 was supposed to be the follow up and that's what everyone was being told right up until BvS was announced. Then they tried saying BvS was the sequel to MoS, then a few months later they claimed BvS wasn't a sequel.

From an outsider looking in it just sounds like the development process was chaotic from the moment they realized MoS was going to under perform.

It's like they continually operate from the position that Superman is a flawed character that needs to be fixed. We see this with DC comics also, they constantly try new things with Superman that never work and rarely stick long term.

The stuff that seems to work the best is usually the stuff that isn't concern with "Fixing" Superman but just want to tell good stories with the character.

but how does this relate with the issues with bvs?? I think majority of people were on board having batman in this story....and it made sense.... i really dont see the problem with this

 

[TripleJ]

If you say so, chief. I think he's doing a magnificent job of creating a DC TV universe.

I agree, but just a Question:

People who aren't too keen on Snyder taking liberties - if they were to bring in Berlanti, would you be happy with the freedoms he would take with these characters?

Example: Combining Wally and Barry....or changing Wally's race (although comics did that first), or taking Wally's love interest (actually his wife at one point) and making it Barry's.

Of course, you don't see much complaining because fan bases of Flash, Arrow etc are much smaller than the fan bases on Bats or Supes.

I don't have much of a problem with it, because I consider it as Elseworlds, same with Snyder's Universe.

 

[AvegningSpider]

The first 2 times I saw this movie was in regular IMAX and 2d. For my 3rd time, I was thinking about going 3D. Is it worth it?

Neh, i watched 2D and i had a best experience than the last time that i went to the movies taking in count the last time i watched on 3D (Yet again, last time i went to the movies i watched TASM2)

 

[matt47]

but how does this relate with the issues with bvs?? I think majority of people were on board having batman in this story....and it made sense.... i really dont see the problem with this

Ironic that the Batman story line focuses more on MoS's story than the rest of the film.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

for me as a Superman fan, I'm excited for what will happen next. some people seems wants to get the Superman everyone knows already in BvS which is understandable but for me I'm liking where Zack is fleshing out the character more even if it takes a lot of time, I can definitely wait. His return will be glorious and I feel that's where the direction is going.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, I guess. I may have been a bit too fast on typing that response...without thinking about that.



Anyways, thanks.

No worries man it happens. And let's be real, we're all a little touchy this past week. It's not fun seeing a film featuring some of your favorite characters handled poorly.

 

[Wylie Times]

but how does this relate with the issues with bvs?? I think majority of people were on board having batman in this story....and it made sense.... i really dont see the problem with this

It relates to BvS because they did a half assed job of addressing the criticisms of Man of Steel despite claims (from the film makers and fans) that this was part of the plan all along.

It feels like they had 3 different versions of this script and mashed them all together.

 

[Charlatan]

6TH UPDATE, Saturday 11:45 PM: The only good news is that the second weekend for Warner Bros.’ Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice isn’t any worse than what we expected, but a tad better with an industry FSS of $51.2M after seeing a $22.2M Saturday, +45% over Friday’s $15.3M

 

[Orba]

Oh changes are inevitable at this point. Whether we hear about them is a different story.

Do you think there is a chance of things leaking? Keeping quiet so that it does not look like have made changes after BvS's performance would not help with how the public sees JL1. Even if things are too late for a change of director you would think that they would still want to get the word out that they are trying to fix things.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Do you think there is a chance of things leaking? Keeping quiet so that it does not look like have made changes after BvS's performance would not help with how the public sees JL1. Even if things are too late for a change of director you would think that they would still want to get the word out that they are trying to fix things.

Things always leak. Like I said earlier, best way to keep a secret between two people is to kill one of them. I just wish less bloggers/writers would willingly post fake scoops for hits because it causes people to not trust ANY scoops. And a lot of them are legit.

 

[kpknicks]

It relates to BvS because they did a half assed job of addressing the criticisms of Man of Steel despite claims (from the film makers and fans) that this was part of the plan all along.

It feels like they had 3 different versions of this script and mashed them all together.

I agree but adding batman to the story wasnt the mistake ....i think most people would of been on board if that were the main focus...imo adding batman to that story even if it wasnt the intent at first was a good move....it was what they added to it that didnt make sense...like the afrika storyline for one didnt need to be in this....

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spoiler

Thinking about the meeting between Alexander Luthor and Superman on the helipad, I remembered this issue.

I'll just say that one major difference in this issue is Lex rejecting the idea of someone as powerful as Superman wanting to pretend to be weak, and he'd rather look at humans as the "measly" ants they appear to him.

 

[matt47]

While I love the track they used for when [BLACKOUT]Supes kills Doomsday[/BLACKOUT] it would've been a great moment for a callback to the end of Terraforming.

 

[FunkMiller]

I agree, but just a Question:

People who aren't too keen on Snyder taking liberties - if they were to bring in Berlanti, would you be happy with the freedoms he would take with these characters?

Example: Combining Wally and Barry....or changing Wally's race (although comics did that first), or taking Wally's love interest (actually his wife at one point) and making it Barry's.

Of course, you don't see much complaining because fan bases of Flash, Arrow etc are much smaller than the fan bases on Bats or Supes.

I don't have much of a problem with it, because I consider it as Elseworlds, same with Snyder's Universe.

Depends on what changes he'd make, I guess.

You mean Iris? Iris has always been Barry's love interest and Wally's relation.

If Berlanti stuck to Batman's comic character as much as he makes Barry like his comic counterpart, I'd be happy.

 

[TripleJ]

Depends on what changes he'd make, I guess.

You mean Iris? Iris has always been Barry's love interest and Wally's relation.

If Berlanti stuck to Batman's comic character as much as he makes Barry like his comic counterpart, I'd be happy.

No, Linda. Linda was at one point Wally's wife, but she ended up being Barry's love interest in the show.

That's just it. Barry, in comics, is vastly different from the TV show Barry.

The point is they take plenty of freedom with these characters, just like Snyder did with Bats or Supes. So, bringing Berlanti may not be the solution some people think it might be (not that I want it anyways; I like what Zack's done so far, despite the flaws).

 

[Infinity9999x]

Depends on what changes he'd make, I guess.

You mean Iris? Iris has always been Barry's love interest and Wally's relation.

If Berlanti stuck to Batman's comic character as much as he makes Barry like his comic counterpart, I'd be happy.

I loved S1 Flash, but I don't think Berlanti is right for film. S1 still had a lot of TV cliches going on, and S2, while not bad, has had some trouble finding it's stride story wise.

 

[FunkMiller]

No, Linda. Linda was at one point Wally's wife, but she ended up being Barry's love interest in the show.

That's just it. Barry, in comics, is vastly different from the TV show Barry.

The point is they take plenty of freedom with these characters, just like Snyder did with Bats or Supes. So, bringing Berlanti may not be the solution some people think it might be (not that I want it anyways; I like what Zack's done so far, despite the flaws).

Forgot Linda Park had been in it, tbh!

I'd be willing to bet Berlanti would do a better job, but we'll agree to disagree on that

 

[king666]

The core aspects of Barry/Flash are still there. It's nothing like what Snyder did to Batman and Superman.

 

[TripleJ]

Forgot Linda Park had been in it, tbh!

I'd be willing to bet Berlanti would do a better job, but we'll agree to disagree on that

I guess....Like I said, you don't see many folks complaining as fan bases are much smaller; so they can get away with changes, unlike with Bats or Supes.

As for him doing a better job - that's debatable, but like you said, we can agree to disagree on that.