BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - Part 306

[MydnightPhoenix]

I agree, I love the dynamic as well, I also really appreciated the dynamic between Bale's Bruce and Caine's Alfred. Any other incarnation outside of the comics just hasn't felt authentic to me.



I love seeing an Alfred who is hands on, gets involved, working on Bruce's gadgets, patching him up, being his home base that he communicates with on missions. I think there's a lot that BvS gets right, that they don't get credit for.

My one very small critique is the age difference. If we were going by the actors, Alfred is 68 and Bruce is 44, meaning Alfred was 24 when Bruce was born, and presumably had a close relationship with Thomas Wayne beforehand for a long enough period that Wayne trusted Alfred to be Bruce's caretaker in the event of their deaths, not to mention there's the implication Alfred had some experience in the theater and you would think the military and medical training as well. Just kinda weird that Alfred would be in that position of butler, caretaker, and Bruce's godfather at age 24, and how long had he known Thomas Wayne before that? By contrast, Caine's Alfred would have been 41 when Bruce was born, which fits the role much better.


Very minor nitpick though, and it's not implausible, and much different than any incarnation of the character before. You'd think Alfred would be at least Thomas Wayne's age, if not, older. They could also just add some years to Alfred's character, say he's mid to late 70's, which would at least put him in his 30's when he became Bruce's parent. Im thinking too much about it, I know. Minor nitpick that's worth it for the great casting.

Hmm, would it work better ifnhou imagine Alfred was 30 when Bruce was born? I wonder if Alfred comes from one of those domestic servant families and he worked for Thomas since early adult hood. Either way I love their dynamic, though I think Alfred could hold off on the jokes about Bruce and women.

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but can anyone tell me why in the Superman funeral scene, when we see the airplanes flying, one of them goes up while all the others keep going forward?

 

[Silvermoon]

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but can anyone tell me why in the Superman funeral scene, when we see the airplanes flying, one of them goes up while all the others keep going forward?

Wikipedia: Missing Man Formation

 

[Mean Mr Mustard]

Wikipedia: Missing Man Formation

Oh very cool. Thanks!

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Very cool, never paid it much attention. Just another example of the level of detail in the shots of the film

 

[FunkMiller]

What a huge surprise t:

BvS leads Razzies 2017 nominations!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/razzies-2017-batman-v-superman-zoolander-2-worst-picture/

 

[MbJ]

Eisenberg has this on lock.

 

[samsnee]

I'm surprised Affleck got a nomination. This movie was horrible, and he wasn't that great, but wasn't horrible either. I guess guilt by association.

 

[Sleiek]

That's how hate works. You hate something, you hate everything associated with it. Too bad, really bad actors won't get nominated.

 

[MbJ]

I'd say Eisenberg was definitely really bad in this.

 

[Sleiek]

I would disagree, he gave a performance I didn't expect from him.

 

[Kane52630]

I think we all can agree on that.

 

[TeeKay]

 

[Robin91939]

The nominations for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice are flat-out ridiculous.


I saw a lot of films this year and a lot of sequels, prequels and remakes. The fact that a film like Ghostbusters wasn't nominated takes away much of the credibility.

Hating this film, and hating the DCEU, has become so mainstream and cool to do that it really didn't stand a chance from the jump.

Even before its release, people were looking for reasons to hate it and hoping for its failure. So when it came out, and the first reviews were less than great, the hate only snowballed and continued.

Calling Zack Snyder a hack is ridiculous. The man's resume is impressive and the quality of images he can churn out on screen is well above average.

Saying Ben Affleck's acting in the film is among the year's worst performances is laughable.

Are the DCEU films perfect? No. Without question, no.

But they are definitely not among the worst films of any of their respective years. Not by a long shot.

Hell, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a better film than Suicide Squad in almost every way and it received a "Worst Picture" nod and the latter did not. Simply because it was cooler to hate Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice than it was to hate Suicide Squad


Don't get me started on how dumb it is that Jared Leto is nominated for "Worst Supporting Actor" for the Joker.

Ride Along 2
The 5th Wave
Fifty Shades of Black
My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2
God's Not Dead 2
Alice: Through The Looking Glass
Mother's Day
Warcraft
Ghostbusters
Ben-Hur
Yoga Hosers
Max Steel
Collateral Beauty


The above are all studio releases from 2016 much more deserving a spot on the nomination list. It's not even close in most cases. But hating these movies wasn't the cool thing to do in 2016 and wouldn't get the Razzies the desired attention that nominating a film like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice would.

-R

 

[samsnee]

They always pick the big budget guys that give them the most publicity.

 

[Kane52630]

Yep. The Razzies has always been like this for years.

 

[Luke234]

Yep. The Razzies has always been like this for years.

Is this the most hated movie of all time? It has to be, right? I mean. I know some like me loved it and some liked it, some thought dossapointing.. but had there ever been so much hate directed at a movie?
Both leads nominated for worst actor. Lol. Ridiculous.

 

[The Joker]

They deserve it. Cavill was a plank of wood in BvS. Snyder most definitely deserves his nomination for churning out a horrendous movie like this.

Last but not least Eisenberg, for a cartoonishly bad "acting" job. Out of all the acting noms from the DCEU he is most deserving to win. The only one I can take or leave is Affleck, he wasn't flat out terrible but he wasn't good either, so it's not a travesty he is on the list.

 

[Kane52630]

Affleck was given **** material to work with, but so did everyone else in this movie.

 

[Tony Gunk]

8 razzie nominations!

Game changing. Well done Mr Snyder

 

[Tony Gunk]

The nominations for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice are flat-out ridiculous.


I saw a lot of films this year and a lot of sequels, prequels and remakes. The fact that a film like Ghostbusters wasn't nominated takes away much of the credibility.

Hating this film, and hating the DCEU, has become so mainstream and cool to do that it really didn't stand a chance from the jump.

Even before its release, people were looking for reasons to hate it and hoping for its failure. So when it came out, and the first reviews were less than great, the hate only snowballed and continued.

Calling Zack Snyder a hack is ridiculous. The man's resume is impressive and the quality of images he can churn out on screen is well above average.

Saying Ben Affleck's acting in the film is among the year's worst performances is laughable.

Are the DCEU films perfect? No. Without question, no.

But they are definitely not among the worst films of any of their respective years. Not by a long shot.

Hell, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is a better film than Suicide Squad in almost every way and it received a "Worst Picture" nod and the latter did not. Simply because it was cooler to hate Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice than it was to hate Suicide Squad


Don't get me started on how dumb it is that Jared Leto is nominated for "Worst Supporting Actor" for the Joker.

Ride Along 2
The 5th Wave
Fifty Shades of Black
My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2
God's Not Dead 2
Alice: Through The Looking Glass
Mother's Day
Warcraft
Ghostbusters
Ben-Hur
Yoga Hosers
Max Steel
Collateral Beauty


The above are all studio releases from 2016 much more deserving a spot on the nomination list. It's not even close in most cases. But hating these movies wasn't the cool thing to do in 2016 and wouldn't get the Razzies the desired attention that nominating a film like Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice would.

-R

How's it ridiculous to call Snyder a hack? He's had a string of flops and struggles
Badly to produce a film most like. The fact he's had a very high profile flop doesn't help him.

 

[Sleiek]

Cavill was a plank of wood in BvS?

Now I'm convinced there is another version of BvS they played in the theatres that I didn't know about.

 

[Robin91939]

How's it ridiculous to call Snyder a hack? He's had a string of flops and struggles
Badly to produce a film most like. The fact he's had a very high profile flop doesn't help him.

It's ridiculous to call Zack Snyder a hack because he's not. It's that simple.

Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel are all very well-directed films.

He's had a couple missteps, but so have other great directors:
Steven Spielberg made Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Tim Burton made Mars Attacks.
David Fincher made Alien 3.
Oliver Stone made Alexander.

Back before it was cool to make fun of Snyder and the DCEU, the consensus about Snyder was much different on these boards.

When Chris Nolan was at the height of The Dark Knight Trilogy, the two directors on every fans' shortlist to take over when Nolan wrapped up were Fincher and Snyder. Snyder. Every fan wanted to see him have a crack at Batman. They were practically begging for him to do a Dark Knight Returns adaptation.

Watchmen's release only strengthened their hope that he'd be next.

I don't know what made the fan community turn on him so much. Before you say it was his DCEU films, the tide began to turn on him before then. Ahead of Man Of Steel's release, fans were saying he was going to lay and egg and that it was going to be terrible. Some were actively hoping for its failure.

I don't know if this started as a stupid Marvel vs. DC thing, considering Snyder kickstarted the DCEU during the peak of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But like I said in above posts, at some point it became the cool thing to hate on Snyder.


It wasn't always this way. And I'm not alone in thinking that he has created some visually arresting scenes and, yes, told some truly entertaining stories.

"Zack Snyder's direction is very strong here ... Spectacular looking." - Richard Roeper on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

"For today brings about the release of "300," and it is the "Citizen Kane" of cinematic graphic novels." - Richard Roeper on 300

"The film is rich enough to be seen more than once. I plan to see it again, this time on IMAX ... I had a powerful experience." - Roger Ebert on Watchmen

"Man of Steel" mostly delivers. And credit for that goes to its director." - Steven Whitty on Man Of Steel

"Zack Snyder doesn't offer us a realistic treatment but something more adventurous and intuitive ..." - SF Chronicle on 300

"[300] didn't move me with its story or by any of its performances. But it's impossible not to be moved by its nearly nonstop visual assault." - NY Daily News


I hope he is able to win back fans' favor with Justice League. I have hope he will.

-R

 

[P Supreme]

I loved man of steel and watchmen but when you hype BVS for 3 years and in the mean time you deliver sucker punch then yes people will start to turn especially when you consider that Eisenberg went in for a different role and it was Snyder who said I want him to be my Luthor

and we all know how that turned out

 

[Micromind]

It's ridiculous to call Zack Snyder a hack because he's not. It's that simple.

Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel are all very well-directed films.

He's had a couple missteps, but so have other great directors:
Steven Spielberg made Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Tim Burton made Mars Attacks.
David Fincher made Alien 3.
Oliver Stone made Alexander.

Back before it was cool to make fun of Snyder and the DCEU, the consensus about Snyder was much different on these boards.

When Chris Nolan was at the height of The Dark Knight Trilogy, the two directors on every fans' shortlist to take over when Nolan wrapped up were Fincher and Snyder. Snyder. Every fan wanted to see him have a crack at Batman. They were practically begging for him to do a Dark Knight Returns adaptation.

Watchmen's release only strengthened their hope that he'd be next.

I don't know what made the fan community turn on him so much. Before you say it was his DCEU films, the tide began to turn on him before then. Ahead of Man Of Steel's release, fans were saying he was going to lay and egg and that it was going to be terrible. Some were actively hoping for its failure.

I don't know if this started as a stupid Marvel vs. DC thing, considering Snyder kickstarted the DCEU during the peak of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But like I said in above posts, at some point it became the cool thing to hate on Snyder.


It wasn't always this way. And I'm not alone in thinking that he has created some visually arresting scenes and, yes, told some truly entertaining stories.

"Zack Snyder's direction is very strong here ... Spectacular looking." - Richard Roeper on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

"For today brings about the release of "300," and it is the "Citizen Kane" of cinematic graphic novels." - Richard Roeper on 300

"The film is rich enough to be seen more than once. I plan to see it again, this time on IMAX ... I had a powerful experience." - Roger Ebert on Watchmen

"Man of Steel" mostly delivers. And credit for that goes to its director." - Steven Whitty on Man Of Steel

"Zack Snyder doesn't offer us a realistic treatment but something more adventurous and intuitive ..." - SF Chronicle on 300

"[300] didn't move me with its story or by any of its performances. But it's impossible not to be moved by its nearly nonstop visual assault." - NY Daily News


I hope he is able to win back fans' favor with Justice League. I have hope he will.

-R

Agree with everything in this post.