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[Urich Leeds]

I feel there's some validity to the comparisons with The Amazing Spider-Man 2. That's why I'm lowballing expectations and advise others to do the same. While the trailers have generally been good, there's a lot that could go wrong in the movie itself.

Particularly the fight itself seems to be most compelling part.

I don't. I hate the ASM2 (and SM3) comparison.

Those films didn't fail due to what they tried to put into them, and set up. It failed because of the minds behind it.

You had a incompetent studio head (Amy Pascal) enabling an equally incompetent and out of touch producer (Avi Arad). And that producer hired the writers/producers of one of the most reviled summer movie franchises (Orci/Kurtzman of TF infamy) to assist their inexperienced director, Marc Webb, who at the time was going into his 3rd film (his second being the predecessor to ASM2, and his first being an indie romance that couldn't be further removed from a big budget superhero flick). A director who had pretty much no power to say no to what Avi Arad suggested/wanted in the film. One of those things being the pointless airplane collision sequence.

In fact, go look up Kevin Feige's notes on ASM2. I can say with full confidence that much (if not all) of what he objects to in his notes came from Arad.

Pair that with an idiotic marketing strategy that they overspent on (some reports say over 250 million), and ASM2 was doomed for failure.

And if you read all the rumors about SM4, it was pretty much the same thing on SM3. Same dumb studio head, same dumb producer. The only difference is that Raimi walked instead having a villain forced on him again by Avi Arad, and letting the film suffer because of it.

And boy did SM3 suffer.

 

[Marz69]

Regarding trailers, I don't want any new stuff.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Regarding trailers, I don't want any new stuff.

Just don't watch it, breh.

 

[Cats]

I will watch everything. Every tv spot, every clip released, every trailer. Any and all footage and photos I can get my hands on. And also any and all spoilers. Bring them my way

I'm probably going to do repeat viewings of the movie to study every inch of it so watching additional trailers is sorta in line with that.

 

[rogbngp]

I guess it's just ignorance on my part but I didn't see TASM2 as doing anything like what BvS is aiming for. I just saw it as a sequel that made the mistake of confusing the audience by cramming in two villains--and not doing it well. (Even so I still kind of enjoyed the film, flawed though it was.)

I suppose there is a parallel there with BvS including both Lex and Doomsday. But Lex is the brains and Doomsday is the brawn, and I see now reason why that should be disjointed or confusing to viewers. By the end of the film it may be revealed that Darkseid has been pulling strings, but it the same way that Sauron is in LotR. In LotR you've got a number of villains appearing throughout the saga, but it is done in a very satisfying and coherent way.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'll be curious to see how LotR and BvS compare as epic sagas. We'll have to wait and see. But Zack Snyder has said that with the DCFU he wants to create a universe that is has the same depth, breadth, and scope, and is as rich in detail, as Tolkien's Middle-Earth or Harry Potter.

 

[jokesonm3]

This film better have a Director's cut.

Wish Man of Steel had one...

 

[rogbngp]

This film better have a Director's cut.

Wish Man of Steel had one...

Roven has said that an extended cut of BvS could be made available. I think they will do it, for sure. I'm disappointed too that we haven't gotten one for MoS.

 

[TDKR1977]

Obviously a bit of padding but yeah. That photo of him in MOS looks like he has no bicep definition at all.

Then you look at BVS and it's insane

He's had an extra few years of weight lifting.

 

[Zordan]

I think its padding, dude will never look huge and cut like in MoS shirless scene, though he is huge now, but that's old muscle with a lil bit fat. So he looks wide w/o Superman suit.

 

[MrMaooz]

Was there talk of another trailer?

We're going to get one soon. Speculation is with the Super Bowl even though nothing has been confirmed.

I will watch everything. Every tv spot, every clip released, every trailer. Any and all footage and photos I can get my hands on. And also any and all spoilers. Bring them my way

I just don't want to spoil this, man. Been waiting for so long. Whatever floats your boat, Broseph.

 

[Cats]

All I'm saying is that TASM2 and BvS seem to be putting a lot of eggs in one basket.

Having many characters in a movie isn't necessarily a flaw waiting to happen, it's all a matter of how the characters are treated. Lord of the Rings had multiple and oft times separate plots going on, weaved into a final act, and that worked perfectly for them. People have to move away from the notion that every superhero movie must have just one hero and a villain or maximum two. That thinking is outdated, esp in the light of cinematic universes like the one DC is attempting to create. The strength of such a concept is that they aren't limited to concluding everything within the length of one movie. They could very well throw in 5 second long cameos just to allow the audience to familiarize themselves with characters to be featured in their next film, to rev up the hype and to tease fanboys. Instead of seeing it like there are too many eggs in one basket, think of it like BvS is the roadmap to an array of gastronomic delights DC has in store for us fans. We'll be given an overview of a wider story arc that we will be able to follow through with the eyes of different members of the Justice League, up to 2020. For something as epic as that, you wouldn't want to be limited to just one (or two) superhero/s vs one villain. That isn't ambitious enough to introduce an entire cinematic universe.

That's where BvS differs from ASM2. ASM wasn't leading towards a "team" movie. The audience knew it would start and end with Spiderman. To add to that, they decided to make their villains entirely psychotic, apparently just for the sake of giving Spidey someone to fight - with almost 0 redeemable qualities. It might've worked out just fine 10 years ago, but movie audiences demand a lot more realism these days. Good villains need to have strong motivations for what they do. Oft times, they could even be seen as the "hero" by themselves or select groups of people. They must be intelligent, cunning and even charismatic in some form or other. Electro and Green Goblin completely lacked the ability to connect with audiences, and that's where they failed imo. Even Harry Osbourne, who was portrayed a lot better in the Tobey Mcguire series btw, fell short of being sympathetic in ASM2, which is something that I think could've saved his character. A real pity.

 

[PopeAdrian37th]

Roven has said that an extended cut of BvS could be made available. I think they will do it, for sure. I'm disappointed too that we haven't gotten one for MoS.

I would love an extended cut, like with Watchmen. Just don't sell the big cut then an even bigger cut 2 months later.

 

[Broseph44]

I don't. I hate the ASM2 (and SM3) comparison.

Those films didn't fail due to what they tried to put into them, and set up. It failed because of the minds behind it.

You had a incompetent studio head (Amy Pascal) enabling an equally incompetent and out of touch producer (Avi Arad). And that producer hired the writers/producers of one of the most reviled summer movie franchises (Orci/Kurtzman of TF infamy) to assist their inexperienced director, Marc Webb, who at the time was going into his 3rd film (his second being the predecessor to ASM2, and his first being an indie romance that couldn't be further removed from a big budget superhero flick). A director who had pretty much no power to say no to what Avi Arad suggested/wanted in the film. One of those things being the pointless airplane collision sequence.

In fact, go look up Kevin Feige's notes on ASM2. I can say with full confidence that much (if not all) of what he objects to in his notes came from Arad.

Pair that with an idiotic marketing strategy that they overspent on (some reports say over 250 million), and ASM2 was doomed for failure.

And if you read all the rumors about SM4, it was pretty much the same thing on SM3. Same dumb studio head, same dumb producer. The only difference is that Raimi walked instead having a villain forced on him again by Avi Arad, and letting the film suffer because of it.

And boy did SM3 suffer.

DC forums, DC film. Could we not with the marvel **** in here.

 

[RadioSha]

Just like TASM2, this movie is overstuffed and over-marketed.

 

[jokesonm3]

Just like TASM2, this movie is overstuffed and over-marketed.

 

[RadioSha]

This movie will not fail financially. I just don't see it being great- Zack should be worried about directing Justice League if this movie don't come together. He'll still produce and have his blueprint stamped moving forward, but... bye bye Zack.

I'm only half-kidding.

 

[routhman]

I missed it... Do we know what the heck that device over Batman's mouth is for? And anyone expect to see it in the film at some point?

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Just like TASM2, this movie is overstuffed and over-marketed.

 

[Rapunzel]

Yeah, they aren't removing Snyder from JL. No way. It starts filming too soon for them to get someone else. WB is committed to these DC films now; there gonna keep on pushing.

 

[TDKR1977]

I missed it... Do we know what the heck that device over Batman's mouth is for? And anyone expect to see it in the film at some point?

It was a gas mask.

 

[jokesonm3]

I missed it... Do we know what the heck that device over Batman's mouth is for? And anyone expect to see it in the film at some point?

He was fighting Firefly and due to all the flames it was hard to breath without that mask.

 

[RadioSha]

Yeah, they aren't removing Snyder from JL. No way. It starts filming too soon for them to get someone else. WB is committed to these DC films now; there gonna keep on pushing.

Ehhh, I'm not too certain about that. They're gonna keep pushing no doubt, but if BvS doesn't pan out, they might rethink Synder's involvement with the big picture.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben takes over the director's chair for JL and Ayer does the Batman solo if Suicide Squad is great.

I think the hingepin for this universe isn't BvS. Like I said, it will make bank. But if Suicide Squad sucks, then oh boy, a lot of enthusiasm for WW (and DCEU) will be sucked right out.

 

[WitchTrialz]

I missed it... Do we know what the heck that device over Batman's mouth is for? And anyone expect to see it in the film at some point?

Rebreather.

I doubt it will show up in the movie, it just looks like some random bull***t design to service this odd comic.

 

[Da-Scribe]

This film better have a Director's cut.

Wish Man of Steel had one...

I'd rather the director's cut just be what gets released theatrically. Only time I've like a director's cut better was when the theatrical cut sucked.

 

[routhman]

It was a gas mask.

He was fighting Firefly and due to all the flames it was hard to breath without that mask.

Rebreather.

I doubt it will show up in the movie, it just looks like some random bull***t design to service this odd comic.

Thanks guys.