All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[STARMAN]

I don't feel they have a 100 percent conviction in the character on the big screen since Superman II.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I don't feel they have a 100 percent conviction in the character on the big screen since Superman II.

The lack of conviction began with the turmoil behind II and then slowly eroded away as the problems mounted for III and IV, throw in a not-well-received Superman Returns and a mountain to climb with DCEU 'backlash' and you have a festival of problems to overcome.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman has gotten movies and tv shows....its as if they're smart enough to realize that, despite their apparent lack of passion for the character, he's still an icon and they can make money off of him.

Yeah because they'd be passionate about any of these characters if they weren't making money

Unlike Gotham, that upcoming Krypton would be taking place pre- Kal-El.

Currently, it seems like Constantine has been getting even more cross-platform screentime than Supes. So, I'm here waiting for that feature-length live-action ed. JL Dark. I even think that will happen sooner than a solo Superman sequel.
The only other current and ongoing presence of Superman is on JLAction.

There was a Gotham for Superman it was called Smallville. Before that there was Lois & Clark. Green Arrow, the Flash, Supergirl and the Legends are all getting more screentime than Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. I don't really think that point is relevant.

Superman is appearing in Justice League this year which will be his third movie in the past 5 years and Supergirl (which he made a two episode appearance) is based on Superman's world. He is often mentioned and Krypton he may never appear in but it's still a Superman property.

 

[2kt09]

There was a Gotham for Superman it was called Smallville. Before that there was Lois & Clark. Green Arrow, the Flash, Supergirl and the Legends are all getting more screentime than Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. I don't really think that point is relevant.

Superman is appearing in Justice League this year which will be his third movie in the past 5 years and Supergirl (which he made a two episode appearance) is based on Superman's world. He is often mentioned and Krypton he may never appear in but it's still a Superman property.

Yeah, I'm referring to the most current & ongoing stuff.

Superman, himself, has been fairly out of it.
In JL, he'll come back, but it's not known at what point in the movie.
2 ep cameos on his cousin's show and very minute cameos on the direct-to-videos.
The most we do get to see of him and consistently is on JLA.

Constantine, though, he's been featured pretty heavily on JLA, recently starred in the animated JLD, and will be getting his own animated web series.
So, I can only guess they're either prepping him back for the Flarrowverse or there's some actual progress regarding that live-action JLD.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I'm referring to the most current & ongoing stuff.

Superman, himself, has been fairly out of it.
In JL, he'll come back, but it's not known at what point in the movie.
2 ep cameos on his cousin's show and very minute cameos on the direct-to-videos.
The most we do get to see of him and consistently is on JLA.

Constantine, though, he's been featured pretty heavily on JLA, recently starred in the animated JLD, and will be getting his own animated web series.
So, I can only guess they're either prepping him back for the Flarrowverse or there's some actual progress regarding that live-action JLD.

Superman has been featured very prominently on JLA and I think the fact his cousin has a show where he's appeared and mentioned pretty prominently on that show says a lot about how WBs views his character. I think people saying WBs don't care about Superman or aren't invested in the character are talking crap personally.

Constantines series ended and he's made one episode appearance on Arrow. Look at the gap between Lois & Clark and smallville. There's always gaps once a Series ends. Batman wasn't anywhere but in films during the period for the Dark Knight Triligy. So I fail to see how that's making a character appear out of it when usually during the films the characters aren't on Tv aswell.

They are doing JLD and it's nothing new to feature a character or characters pretty prominintly in other media when they plan to do stuff like that. The Suicide Squad were on Arrow as was Amanda Waller prior to the film been released.

 

[The Batman]

Yeah because they'd be passionate about any of these characters if they weren't making money

Obviously they wouldn't be. Doesn't detract from anything I've said. Don't know what your issue is, other than finding fault with any criticism of WB or DC, as usual.

 

[BH/HHH]

Obviously they wouldn't be. Doesn't detract from anything I've said. Don't know what your issue is, other than finding fault with any criticism of WB or DC, as usual.

You think that if you like but I responded to WBs apparent lack of interest. Don't twist what I've said cause you don't like it!

 

[2kt09]

Superman has been featured very prominently on JLA and I think the fact his cousin has a show where he's appeared and mentioned pretty prominently on that show says a lot about how WBs views his character. I think people saying WBs don't care about Superman or aren't invested in the character are talking crap personally.

A lot of his ep on JLA either feature the trinity or some other leaguers, sort of like how Batman seems to be there with the JLD characters.
He's gotten his Supergirl cameos and is mentioned quite a bit since like you said it's a "Superman world show", but that's part of what I'm referring to when I said Superman, himself, being fairly out of it.

Constantine's series ended and he's made one episode appearance on Arrow. Look at the gap between Lois & Clark and smallville. There's always gaps once a Series ends. Batman wasn't anywhere but in films during the period for the Dark Knight Triligy. So I fail to see how that's making a character appear out of it when usually during the films the characters aren't on TV as well.

They are doing JLD and it's nothing new to feature a character or characters pretty prominently in other media when they plan to do stuff like that. The Suicide Squad were on Arrow as was Amanda Waller prior to the film been released.

It's Constantine. A character that was first adapted with the 2005 flick and now since his show he's suddenly been on every platform except in a video game and on the big screen.

It's because of how well that Suicide Squad cross-platform promotion worked out that I'm expecting the JLD to be adapted sooner than a Superman solo in the DCEU.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I'm pretty sure WBG and Rocksteady are developing a Superman game.

 

[BH/HHH]

A lot of his ep on JLA either feature the trinity or some other leaguers, sort of like how Batman seems to be there with the JLD characters.
He's gotten his Supergirl cameos and is mentioned quite a bit since like you said it's a "Superman world show", but that's part of what I'm referring to when I said Superman, himself, being fairly out of it.

It's Constantine. A character that was first adapted with the 2005 flick and now since his show he's suddenly been on every platform except in a video game and on the big screen.

It's because of how well that Suicide Squad cross-platform promotion worked out that I'm expecting the JLD to be adapted sooner than a Superman solo in the DCEU.

The episodes I watched Superman was pretty much the main focal point and none of the leaguers appear on JLA without there been other supporting leaguers. So I'm not really sure what your point is there.

It very well may do but it doesn't mean MOS2 isn't happening or that WBs doesn't value Superman. Which us the point I'm making, it's not like you see a ton of people wearing Constantone merchandise.

I'm struggling to get what your point is tbh.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't feel they have a 100 percent conviction in the character on the big screen since Superman II.

I think they were on the right track with Man of Steel. If you reflect on that story, it sounds pretty good. It just wasn't executed all that well, and in particular the most important piece of the puzzle, the lead performance of Superman himself, was really lacking.

 

[BestGirl]

I don't think many people objected to Cavill. MOS suffered mostly from having too much action at the end, capped by the poor decision to have Superman kill.

 

[Erzengel]

Should have listened to Nolan.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think they were on the right track with Man of Steel. If you reflect on that story, it sounds pretty good. It just wasn't executed all that well, and in particular the most important piece of the puzzle, the lead performance of Superman himself, was really lacking.

I feel bad to say it but yeah Cavill has not impressed me at all. Reeve is king but Hoechlin comes close. He just has that spark that makes him right for the role. He sells the sincerity very well, and Cavill just lacks that imo. Cavill seems like a very nice guy and he looks the part but I don't think he has it in him to encapsulate the role in the way that Reeve did or even the way Hoechlin IMO has.

 

[Limonade]

I'm pretty sure WBG and Rocksteady are developing a Superman game.

 

[STARMAN]

Cavill isn't the greatest actor nor does he need to be. I think he's capable of warmth and charm. But he's put in a position where it's very difficult to display.

 

[BestGirl]

I can't judge Cavill until he gets a script that doesn't require him to mope and frown all the time.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

People talking about interest or lack of interest. I wonder how many of you really know what's going on behind the scenes. My wild bet would be zero.

It's only logical to think WB wants Superman to be a big success. It's only logical to think they're interested in making the character work. Whether they've been able to do that or not, that's a different issue. But i'm pretty sure they're gonna keep trying, because that's what they've done until now, with mixed results. At the end of the day, making Superman work in this day and age is just not an easy process. Times have changed and what has once been appealing might not be appealing anymore. To reinvent the character in order to make it more appealing to the newer generations without losing its essence can be a very challenging process. I'm personally not unhappy with the results, since i liked Man of Steel. But to make Superman truly interesting in this day and age without changing aspects about the character that a lot of fans wouldn't wanna see changed is not gonna be easy.

I don't think the times have anything to do with it. Things were a lot more bleak when Superman first emerged in the comic books. The Great Depression was still going on. There was a massive war going
on in Europe and another one in Asia. Are you saying things are so happy peachy now that we need a bleak Superman to take our minds off the happy times we are living in now?

I think that an ersatz Superman in the form of Captain America shows today's audiences are perfectly happy to have an upbeat hero even when the world is falling apart all around him. Or even more so
Deadpool proves we can have a fun loving hero that audiences will respond to. I'm not sure why we need a Superman that out Batman's Batman. Make Superman a little more Captain America with a touch
of Deadpool thrown in and I think the general audiences will respond better to Superman. My only fear is Snyder has so tainted Superman that any shift in this direction will only confuse people.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I don't think the times have anything to do with it. Things were a lot more bleak when Superman first emerged in the comic books. The Great Depression was still going on. There was a massive war going
on in Europe and another one in Asia. Are you saying things are so happy peachy now that we need a bleak Superman to take our minds off the happy times we are living in now?

I think that an ersatz Superman in the form of Captain America shows today's audiences are perfectly happy to have an upbeat hero even when the world is falling apart all around him. Or even more so
Deadpool proves we can have a fun loving hero that audiences will respond to. I'm not sure why we need a Superman that out Batman's Batman. Make Superman a little more Captain America with a touch
of Deadpool thrown in and I think the general audiences will respond better to Superman.

Superman doesn't need any Deadpool characteristics whatsoever...

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Superman doesn't need any Deadpool characteristics whatsoever...

And why not? I'm not saying make Superman a womanizer or have Clark running around naked. Just make him more humorous and snarky.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Every movie has reshoots. They used to called pick-ups and no one really gave a **** until bloggers started acting like they knew how to make movies better than the people who've been doing it forever.

So, so true!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I don't feel they have a 100 percent conviction in the character on the big screen since Superman II.

Have to agree with you.

 

[Mandon Knight]

And why not? I'm not saying make Superman a womanizer or have Clark running around naked. Just make him more humorous and snarky.

Superman ain't a stand up comedian....

 

[The Guard]

Give the people what they want!

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Superman ain't a stand up comedian....

Did I say he was? Look at the granddaddy of all live action Supermans. The Adventures of Superman starring George Reeves. You could tell Superman was always amused at the antics of mere humans. And Christopher Reeves Superman. He had dark and depressing moments, but he also found humor in the antics of mere humans like Lois Lane. Or more recently Tyler Hoechlin on Supergirl, the banter between him and his cousin, the winking at the family after he saved them from the drone, when he and his cousin stopped the car of the bank robbers. He also had angry moments, like with J'onn's having kryptonite. But that was mixed in with Superman having fun.
This is the kind of Superman people expect to see in a movie.