All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 4

[unholyrevenger]

There's really not any of that in Justice League or Batman v Superman.

It's like you didn't even watch the movies

 

[MbJ]

It's kind of bizarre how fixated they seemingly are on Affleck. Affleck gave a great performance in Batman v. Superman (especially given the material he had to work with) but it's not like the audience would freak out if he were let go. This isn't like RDJ in Iron Man. I know they don't want the bad PR of Affleck quitting but it's time to let that dream go, Warner.

 

[MaceB]

This is truly a disaster. Rather than being excited for new movies to explore the characters.... folks are now talking about reboots, and there is, I think, a universal disappointment sinking in on what we've had so far.
Meanwhile, what we've had so far has become somewhat consequential. We're \ left with the unbearable choice of losing a decade of work and starting over (with some great casted roles you wouldn't want to lose), or just trying to ignore the bad parts and rewrite as we go.
Either way, this all could have been solved with a little forethought and a little confidence in the source material. The blueprint has already been set, the story points already written, and WB couldn't do the simple thing of replicating what Disney is now doing every year with ease.
We all know the reason why... because Warner Brothers doesn't understand the material and has, from the beginning, been highly reactive, overly reactive, and driven by marketing concerns first and foremost. They don't want to make great films with America's most iconic heroes. They want to make candy movies for kids of...."what age again? ... oh I dunno, youngish probably." :-\
They don't know their audience. They don't know the source material. They don't know how to stick with their creative team. They don't see value in the long term investment... only the short term gain. I am truly flabbergasted at how poorly this has been mismanaged. They simply needed to bring the animated cartoons to life for God's sakes. I never would have imagined we'd be in this poor of a position when MOS came out. Woa.

 

[Frodo]

It's kind of bizarre how fixated they seemingly are on Affleck. Affleck gave a great performance in Batman v. Superman (especially given the material he had to work with) but it's not like the audience would freak out if he were let go. This isn't like RDJ in Iron Man. I know they don't want the bad PR of Affleck quitting but it's time to let that dream go, Warner.

Yeah. Then again, he was their golden boy and they thought he would have the same box office clout as a RDJ. The reality was, if they wanted the kind of money and interest they were looking for, the only actor they could have gotten was... Christian Bale.

While fanboys eventually warmed on the idea of Affleck as Batman, the GA never did. They wanted to see Bale's Batman.

If they had the same BvS script , it would still be bad even with Bale, but as far as interest go, I think i'd be hard to deny that Bale's BvS would have generated a heck of alot more public interest and hype than with Affleck.

 

[MaceB]

Almost anyone would have generated more buzz than Affleck. He's wrong for the role. He did an admirable job, all things considered... but they chose him, knowing that there were dozens of actors more physically and temperamentally right for the role of Batman. WB doesn't care about making good comic book movies. They care about cashing in.

 

[Frodo]

Almost anyone would have generated more buzz than Affleck. He's wrong for the role. He did an admirable job, all things considered... but they chose him, knowing that there were dozens of actors more physically and temperamentally right for the role of Batman. WB doesn't care about making good comic book movies. They care about cashing in.

Well, I never bought the idea of Affleck as Batman. I know he's popular with fanboys , but I could never believe he was Batman. He was always Ben Affleck in a Batman costume as opposed to Bruce Wayne. Henry Cavill is Clark Kent and Gal Gadot is Diana Prince, But Ben Affleck felt like Ben Affleck dressed up as Batman.

 

[Limonade]

Well, I never bought the idea of Affleck as Batman. I know he's popular with fanboys , but I could never believe he was Batman. He was always Ben Affleck in a Batman costume as opposed to Bruce Wayne. Henry Cavill is Clark Kent and Gal Gadot is Diana Prince, But Ben Affleck felt like Ben Affleck dressed up as Batman.

Yeah. Agreed. But it's mainly because, I've seen so much of Ben Affleck in big movies in the nearly 2 decades he's been doing movies.

It's the same reason why Tom Cruise in any role other than Les Grossman or the vampire Lestat... I'm completely taken away from the movie, because he plays different versions of Tom Cruise.

Even with Suicide Squad, a big name like Will Smith--it sort of came with certain Will Smith-esque expectations... which he delivered... but did he really play a true comic version of Deadshot? Probably not.

 

[Frodo]

Yeah. Agreed. But it's mainly because, I've seen so much of Ben Affleck in big movies in the nearly 2 decades he's been doing movies.

It's the same reason why Tom Cruise in any role other than Les Grossman or the vampire Lestat... I'm completely taken away from the movie, because he plays different versions of Tom Cruise.

Even with Suicide Squad, a big name like Will Smith--it sort of came with certain Will Smith-esque expectations... which he delivered... but did he really play a true comic version of Deadshot? Probably not.

Good points.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Astonishing bit of fan film making here....

Batman 75th Birthday short....

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[2kt09]

I’ve learned exactly how DC Entertainment plans to control the narrative, and it’s not merely by turning up the heat on leaks.

“There is a DC news show coming. Similar to DC All Access, but daily and exclusive stuff. Major news will be released through this portal.”

the real slate, as of this writing, is:

• Aquaman
• Shazam!
• Wonder Woman 2
• Suicide Squad 2
• Flashpoint
• The Batman

And not necessarily in that order.

There are a couple of films that will soon become official:

• Untitled Superman Sequel
• Nightwing

That’s not to say other [in development] films aren’t happening. Some of them very will may. But as I stated in yesterday’s report, they’re still in the incubation stage. Writers and producers are working on them, developing them, and- once they’re ready for primetime- certain ones will get the official green light. But many of them are directly, and indirectly, competing against one another- like the three non-Suicide Squad 2 Harley Quinn movies.

Nightwing, in particular, is very close to getting a major, official update.

 

[TheVileOne]

What kind of exclusive is that? And how is a DC Entertainment news show going to truly prevent leaks or control the narrative?

 

[Micromind]

How on Earth is Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad 2 competing against Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey ?

BoP will feature other Dc characters also.

And, according to rumors, other Harley Quinn movie, Gotham City Sirens has been cancelled.

 

[2kt09]

How on Earth is Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad 2 competing against Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey ?

BoP will feature other Dc characters also.

And, according to rumors, other Harley Quinn movie, Gotham City Sirens has been cancelled.

The guy is referring to the development process. The various projects compete with each other on getting up through the ranks to actually be made.

 

[Juan1193]

How on Earth is Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad 2 competing against Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey ?

BoP will feature other Dc characters also.

And, according to rumors, other Harley Quinn movie, Gotham City Sirens has been cancelled.

Harley Quinn in SS2 is not competing with the other Harley projects because it's one of the 6 listed as already green lit.

Harley in GCS is competing with Joker/Harley and Harley in BOP.

 

[Micromind]

Suicide Squad 2 getting priority makes sense, after that, they should try a female team-up movie.

Now, most recognized characters other than WW, Harley Quinn and Supergirl are Catwoman and Poison Ivy, so GCS made much more sense to me then BoP.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah Suicide Squad made so much money that it'd be kind of crazy to split any of the characters apart from one another. I get that Harley was the main draw, but a straight sequel makes much more sense to me than any of these proposed spin-offs. I think they'd also do well to make it a more gritty, street-level caper.

 

[STARMAN]

Mario Robles reported yesterday that MOS 2 is still happening despite JL falling on it's face. Says there will be an official announcement with a release date and director pretty soon. Also said on his podcast that Superman will appear in another film not named Flashpoint.

We'll see how accurate or inaccurate he turns out to be.

 

[Flint Marko]

Mario Robles reported yesterday that MOS 2 is still happening despite JL falling on it's face. Says there will be an official announcement with a release date and director pretty soon. Also said on his podcast that Superman will appear in another film not named Flashpoint.

We'll see how accurate or inaccurate he turns out to be.

 

[STARMAN]

I would wait and see before you start dancing. If it happens, I'll dance too.

 

[Flint Marko]

I would wait and see before you start dancing. If it happens, I'll dance too.

I'm not getting my hopes up too high just yet, but I really do have a good feeling that we'll get some movement on MoS 2 sooner rather than later.

 

[BH/HHH]

Is Mario Robles reliable?

I really hope it does happen I’m actually quite open to them recasting a lot of the roles but I really want Henry to stick around.

If Superman is appearing in another film then I’d put money on it even Shazam. I actually can see Superman having a presence in that film with a cameo, kind of like how he has a prescence on the Supergirl TV series even when he isn’t around.

 

[metaphysician]

I think WW's final act is too messy for it to be considered a classic a la TDK, SM1, or The Avengers. It'll be remembered mostly for being the first superheroine movie and the first unproblematic DCEU film.



It still bugs me how Wondy's decision to step away from humanity is totally at odds with how inspired she was by Steve's death. Best to pretend BVS and JL never existed, I guess.

I am 100% certain Patty Jenkins was *deliberately* ignoring the BvS backstory. This wasn't "weird contradiction", this was "I think the prior movie made a terrible, terrible choice, and I am retconning that bugger".

 

[Boy Scout]

Mario Robles reported yesterday that MOS 2 is still happening despite JL falling on it's face. Says there will be an official announcement with a release date and director pretty soon. Also said on his podcast that Superman will appear in another film not named Flashpoint.

We'll see how accurate or inaccurate he turns out to be.

I’m pretty much over Cavill and his Superman, but...**** me, if they get a good creative team behind it and the reviews are good, I’ll go and see that damn film.

 

[misslane38]

I am 100% certain Patty Jenkins was *deliberately* ignoring the BvS backstory. This wasn't "weird contradiction", this was "I think the prior movie made a terrible, terrible choice, and I am retconning that bugger".

That's impossible since BvS and WW support rather than contradict each other. WW ends with Diana concluding that the choice between light and darkness rests with mankind rather than heroes or gods. It ends with Diana choosing to spend a century as a hero in the shadows. BvS depicts Diana as a hero in the shadows -- someone who will show up and fight monsters from other worlds if humanity needs her help. It also reinforces her position that mankind created a world in which gods and men cannot stand together. Both films portray Diana as a hero who steps away from mankind because she believes humanity has created a world in which no hero can defeat the darkness in man.

The only way these two films contradict each other is if one is determined to believe Diana abandons and rejects humanity out of despair and disdain rather than what she actually did, which is step away from a more public and interventionist role in shaping humanity. Diana herself never says she has no hope for mankind. BvS never explicitly says this about Diana. Indeed, BvS explicitly shows the same Diana who believes she and mankind cannot stand together is also the same Diana who will fight Doomsday to protect and save the world. What BvS tells us about Diana is that an Amazonian demigoddess can stand up for mankind even if she cannot stand with them. That fighting for and on behalf of humanity is not the same thing as a partnership or alliance with humanity.

 

[misslane38]

It still bugs me how Wondy's decision to step away from humanity is totally at odds with how inspired she was by Steve's death. Best to pretend BVS and JL never existed, I guess.

Just to reiterate, Steve's death inspired Diana to believe that humanity is best served when it makes its own choices between light and darkness. Steve showed her that men are still good and can choose good without the interference, guidance, and support of gods. Diana tells us how Steve's death inspired her to step away from mankind: it made her realize the choice between light and dark is a choice heroes cannot make for men. It made her realize she can fight and give for humanity, but she cannot be someone who has a relationship with humanity that takes on more of a guiding role. That is something Ares did; it is not something Diana will do.