All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 11

[Mad Love]

There is some destiny with Superman. Pa Kent also said it. Whether he has good character or bad, he's going to change the world.

A person with superpowers on Earth isn't going to go unnoticed. In that sense, he's destined because he's unbelievably different.

 

[Zionite1]

There is some destiny with Superman. Pa Kent also said it. Whether he has good character or bad, he's going to change the world.

A person with superpowers on Earth isn't going to go unnoticed. In that sense, he's are destined because unbelievably different.

It was not Clarks destiny to become Superman.He could have used his gifts selfishly for himself.He could have decided to rule the world.But he chose to become Superman. No destiny.It was his choice-none of that Donner prophecy crap.

 

[Wheels]

There is some destiny with Superman. Pa Kent also said it. Whether he has good character or bad, he's going to change the world.

A person with superpowers on Earth isn't going to go unnoticed. In that sense, he's are destined because unbelievably different.

That's all well and good, but I don't want any of that "Aw shucks I just gots ter be dah hero cause my daddy said so" stuff.

 

[Willi Berg]

Judging from the TDKR teaser -Jorel speeches seem to imply that Clark is predestined to become Earths savior.I absolutely HATE that idea. The predestination angle completely misses the point of Superman.Clark becomes Superman because he was taught by the kents to use his powers for the good of the world.He chooses to be Superman not because of some Prophecy Crap form Jorel.That prophecy Crap comes from Donners which Mos should be staying away from.

Jor-El's speech doesn't necessarily imply that Superman is part of a prophecy. It is more that Kal-El is a superman on Earth, from an advanced civilisation. He is someone who, through circumstance, has powers no one else has on Earth. So of course that would mean that he would be an ideal, ahead of other people. Jor-El may be acknowledging that fact because he knows what sending Kal-El to Earth would mean.

I wouldn't want it to be a pre-destined sort of prophecy thing either. We do see from the teaser that Clark is struggling with making that choice and it is his to make.

 

[Rust]

Jor-El's speech doesn't necessarily imply that Superman is part of a prophecy. It is more that Kal-El is a superman on Earth, from an advanced civilisation. He is someone who, through circumstance, has powers no one else has on Earth. So of course that would mean that he would be an ideal, ahead of other people. Jor-El may be acknowledging that fact because he knows what sending Kal-El to Earth would mean.

 

[Mad Love]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's not destined to be the Superman as we know him, but he's going to be a superman. He could have turned out as Red Son Superman or any other variation, but he'll still be superhuman. He's going to change the world no matter what.

 

[Wheels]

My issue is Jor EL, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't basically make the decision for him. It shouldn't be like:

CLARK: "I don't know what to do with my life!"

JOR EL: "Be a hero"

CLARK: "Umm okay"

Clark can struggle with what to do with his life, but in the end it should be his decision, otherwise he looks like someone who can't think for himself.

 

[terry78]

If you've read JMS' Earth One, you have an idea how this is going to work.

 

[Wheels]

If you've read JMS' Earth One, you have an idea how this is going to work.

So Clark won't become Superman until the evil aliens show up? No thank you.

 

[Rust]

My issue is Jor EL, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't basically make the decision for him. It shouldn't be like:

CLARK: "I don't know what to do with my life!"

JOR EL: "Be a hero"

CLARK: "Umm okay"

Clark can struggle with what to do with his life, but in the end it should be his decision, otherwise he looks like someone who can't think for himself.

Agreed. I dont think he will be told what to do, but rather realize it through inspiration from Jonathan and Jor-El.

But yeah, from what we've seen so far, he doesnt look like someone ready to fill those shoes. I guess he must have a change of heart or something.

 

[Willi Berg]

My issue is Jor EL, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't basically make the decision for him. It shouldn't be like:

CLARK: "I don't know what to do with my life!"

JOR EL: "Be a hero"

CLARK: "Umm okay"

Clark can struggle with what to do with his life, but in the end it should be his decision, otherwise he looks like someone who can't think for himself.

Who says that Jor-El or even Jonathan Kent tell Clark to be a hero anyway? First of all, we don't know at what context Jor-El makes that speech. Also, Jor-El may have hopes that his son help the people of Earth, or at least do some good, because those are Jor-El's ideals on Krypton. Jor-El is obviously a maverick in his own society, goes against the norm, is a scientist and inventor. And in the Comic-Con footage, we hear Jor-El say "What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what society had intended? What if a child aspired to something greater?" He looks to have ideals and hopes for a child in his own world too. I don't think he is aware of what Kal-El has to face on Earth, or believed that Clark should be a "superhero" but he may wish Kal-El to carry on some of his beliefs and some of the Kryptonian heritage, tradition and ideals.

Also, I don't think Jor-El is going to be guiding Clark in this version the way he did in Donner's version. He may leave behind recordings and info. on Krypton. And what we are hearing may just be that. And we may see some of his other ideals as flashbacks on Krypton.

Clark is obviously dealing with his issues on his own and is making up his own mind. The presence of more Kryptonians on Earth will obviously push him to decide.

 

[Rust]

So Clark won't become Superman until the evil aliens show up? No thank you.

Nevertheless, I think that would work with the modern approach. He will still be a savior beforehand doing various rescue-feats, but the worldwide threat will finally make him step up and reveal himself, don the cape and become "the beacon (and symbol) of hope".

 

[Wheels]

I'm just talking in general about the whole destiny thing. I'm not implying anything about the film.

 

[Willi Berg]

Nevertheless, I think that would work with the modern approach. He will still be a savior beforehand doing various rescue-feats, but the worldwide threat will finally make him step up, don the cape and become "the beacon (and symbol) of hope".

It looks like Clark is hiding but is exposed when the oil rig explosion occurs. I think that's when the world will see who he is. The appearance of more aliens will just incite the hysteria, esp. when they start acting the way they do and Clark is lumped right in there with them.

 

[Willi Berg]

I'm just talking in general about the whole destiny thing.

The whole 'destiny' thing is an assumption.

 

[Rust]

It looks like Clark is hiding but is exposed when the oil rig explosion occurs. I think that's when the world will see who he is. The appearance of more aliens will just incite the hysteria, esp. when they start acting the way they do and Clark is lumped right in there with them.

And Clark's chance to prove his good intentions and go up against Zod and co.

 

[Wheels]

Nevertheless, I think that would work with the modern approach. He will still be a savior beforehand doing various rescue-feats, but the worldwide threat will finally make him step up and reveal himself, don the cape and become "the beacon (and symbol) of hope".

I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I've seen that idea presented better in other places besides Earth One.

 

[Willi Berg]

I don't necessarily have a problem with that, but I've seen that idea presented better than it was in other places besides Earth One.

I do hope it is better presented than it was in Earth One.

 

[Wheels]

The whole 'destiny' thing is an assumption.

Most everything is an assumption at this point. That doesn't mean it can't be discussed.

 

[Willi Berg]

Most everything is an assumption at this point. That doesn't mean it can't be discussed.

Hence my reply. I am now typing. Full stop.

 

[youkaisama]

Nevertheless, I think that would work with the modern approach. He will still be a savior beforehand doing various rescue-feats, but the worldwide threat will finally make him step up and reveal himself, don the cape and become "the beacon (and symbol) of hope".

Agreed. One of the better approaches. He should be Superman, helping others even before he donned the cape. Donning it just makes him a symbol. A face for hope.

 

[Wheels]

Agreed. One of the better approaches. He should be Superman, helping others even before he donned the cape. Donning it just makes him a symbol. A face for hope.

I agree. I just want Clark to be somewhat proactive. Hopefully he'll be listing to police scanners and trying to find people to help.

 

[Rust]

I agree. I just want Clark to be somewhat proactive. Hopefully he'll be listing to police scanners and trying to find people to help.

Young Clark might get that idea, but I dont imagine older Clark doing that. He seems a little lost, trying to find himself, especially if he's living in hiding. Maybe he's staying away from populated areas thereby not feeling the need to act whenever help is needed. He got frustrated from listening to police scanners not being able to manage it all.

 

[Wheels]

Young Clark might get that idea, but I dont imagine older Clark doing that. He seems a little lost, trying to find himself, especially if he's living in hiding. Maybe he's staying away from populated areas thereby not feeling the need to act whenever help is needed. He got frustrated from listening to police scanners.

Yeah, you may be right. I could see Jonathan's fears influencing Clark's decision not to do such things. It would be interesting if Clark wants to use his powers to help people, but has been told not to.

 

[Rust]

Yeah, you may be right. I could see Jonathan's fears influencing Clark's decision not to do such things. It would be interesting if Clark wants to use his powers to help people, but has been told not to.

Seriously, I expect angles like these. The "real" up-close side of being a superman.

Jonathan might not approve because of the Clark-vs-the-world's-mistrust and Clark's inability to be everywhere at all all times that might mess with his head. But I suspect Jonathan will still leave the decision to him, because of Clark's origin and heritage.