All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - Part 13

[Alexei Belyakov]

90% of this is true, but you have to take into account that Nolan did have input in the script.

Also, Nolan wouldn't allow his name to be plastered over crap.

He WAS watching what Snyder was doing.

 

[charl_huntress]

Singer is nowhere near Nolan's level.

They do share one thing...and we will see if Nolan's "input" is as valued as you say, or believe it should be. If it's not....get ready.

 

[Roose Bolton]

“Humans see what they want to see.” As I did with SR...

Don't take my hate for SR to mean more than I am not convinced until I see the movie.

I'm really not sure why you keep comparing Singer and Nolan's careers, other than both making successful CBMs in the past, there's no comparison.

Ignoring the Batman films, all of Nolan's other films have either been critical or commercial successes, more often than not both. Singer never had a track record anywhere near Nolan's.

 

[charl_huntress]

Believe it or not, I know people who have never seen Memento, Insomnia, or The Prestige. In fact, I just watched The Prestige about two weeks ago.

Inception is a different story, but again...I think the Nolan love is the exact same as it was with Singer in his prime.

I keep comparing their careers because the absolute blind faith is the same...and I'm not saying this because I'm hating. In fact, during SR time, I was one of thoses with blind faith....lol

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm really not sure why you keep comparing Singer and Nolan's careers, other than both making successful CBMs in the past, there's no comparison.

Ignoring the Batman films, all of Nolan's other films have either been critical or commercial successes, more often than not both. Singer never had a track record anywhere near Nolan's.

Exactly.

Outside of the X-Men films, all Singer had/has is The Usual Suspects and that was McQuarrie's screenplay.

With Nolan you have two movies in the top 10 all-time box office list, Two Oscar Nominations and a Best Picture Nominee that he himself wrote - more commercially successful than Singer's CBMs.

Nolan is this generation's David Lean. He makes epic films for the thinking man - a formula for critical and commercial acclaim.

 

[G.Godfrey]

Nolan is going to be the driving force...we all know it. No disrespect to Synder, but we all know what's going on.

Do we? Actually the only thing we really know that IS going on is that this is Snyder's movie, not Nolan's. At least that what Nolan's wife, Emma Thomas and Nolan himself have said (more than once). But maybe they are big fat liars and Nolan actually directed MOS from the distance while filming TDKR. Nolan did have a big part in getting this pitched and off the ground, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is no doubt that Snyder was probably on a tight leash from the studio on this one, but Nolan ´´the driving force`` is pushing it a bit too far.

 

[G.Godfrey]

I just hope that we get some new pictures and trailer before this year is up...I mean it'd be sad to think that we close this year without getting any more pictures or footage.

Hell, if it wasn't for the photos taken on set, then we wouldn't really have anything else to see since the WB hasn't officially released anything else other than a teaser poster and the first photo of Cavil as Superman back in August 2011.

WB's ´´marketing`` for this has been...strange, so far. To say the least. I remember back in June I was saying it's weird nothing is being done yet, but there was still a lot of ´´it's a year away, it's too soon`` arguments back then. Well, 4 months later I see the same arguments, it's too soon, supposedly. Well, by the time WB decides to do something, it might be a bit too late.

I am fully aware that they have to ´´build up`` the hype and not peak early, but they aren't even building up to anything, when they should be building awareness and hype. But even the start of the marketing has been weird. An underwhelming teaser, when they had a far more superior one, and an underwhelming teaser poster and almost 3 months since then, NOTHING. Not even a few stills, which all films usually get by the time the first teaser hits.

I guess we won't be getting anything by December because WB will want to keep all the focus on The Hobbit. But by the time WB will finally decide to properly begin the marketing (Im guessing February) they will have a bit of company in the form of Iron Man 3 and quite a few other ´´big`` movies that will be coming out in May/June. So instead of starting a bit early, while the other movies are doing nothing, they do nothing as well.

I also wonder what (if anything) we'll get in December. I have a feeling that due to the very positive reaction that the Comic-Con teaser got, we'll get that but just re-arranged a bit.

WB is either very (overly) confident in their product or they have no clue how to promote or present it. Either way, they are doing a bit of gambling by keeping things TOO secretive, imo. There is a fine line between showing too little and too much and MOS is deep in the too little pool. They can't afford such secrecy when nobody in the GA gives a damn about the character.

Well, I just hope they'll be happy with ´´mediocre`` numbers. I can't see this making more than 450 WW at this point.

 

[ElDuderino]

"We all know what's going on" means "there are no facts to support my assumption but since I believe it, I assume everyone else does too."

 

[Nolan-TDKR]

Check out Rick Astley's new single "Superman" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki-JzxXK1J4

 

[Krumm]

Check out Rick Astley's new single "Superman" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki-JzxXK1J4

Seriously, how many songs have Superman in the title or lyrics!? That's why when people call him irrelevant, I scoff.

I've been tempted to start a thread that it strictly a list of songs so we can get a comprehensive list.

 

[Dr.]

I'm really not sure why you keep comparing Singer and Nolan's careers, other than both making successful CBMs in the past, there's no comparison.

Ignoring the Batman films, all of Nolan's other films have either been critical or commercial successes, more often than not both...

To be sure, Nolan has a very impressive track record. But the wildcard here is that MOS will be the first movie that he’s produced without directing. I.e. - no real precedent to draw from.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's a bit humorous to still see people be worried a film's marketing.

There's no cause for concern on the marketing. Why would there be? The film is set to be released in June of 2013, and we're in October of 2012 -- that's eight months! Why would WB start promoting Man of Steel now with The Hobbit set to be released in December?

We got a teaser poster and an announcement trailer a couple months back. That'll suffice until December.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

It's a bit humorous to still see people be worried a film's marketing.

There's no cause for concern on the marketing. Why would there be? The film is set to be released in June of 2013, and we're in October of 2012 -- that's eight months! Why would WB start promoting Man of Steel now with The Hobbit set to be released in December?

We got a teaser poster and an announcement trailer a couple months back. That'll suffice until December.

I'm just glad the Comicon trailer is all over the net.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

It's a bit humorous to still see people be worried a film's marketing.

There's no cause for concern on the marketing. Why would there be? The film is set to be released in June of 2013, and we're in October of 2012 -- that's eight months! Why would WB start promoting Man of Steel now with The Hobbit set to be released in December?

We got a teaser poster and an announcement trailer a couple months back. That'll suffice until December.

Why are you even surprised? This stupid concern always happens on here with movies. Especially CBMs.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

WB's ´´marketing`` for this has been...strange, so far. To say the least. I remember back in June I was saying it's weird nothing is being done yet, but there was still a lot of ´´it's a year away, it's too soon`` arguments back then. Well, 4 months later I see the same arguments, it's too soon, supposedly. Well, by the time WB decides to do something, it might be a bit too late.

I am fully aware that they have to ´´build up`` the hype and not peak early, but they aren't even building up to anything, when they should be building awareness and hype. But even the start of the marketing has been weird. An underwhelming teaser, when they had a far more superior one, and an underwhelming teaser poster and almost 3 months since then, NOTHING. Not even a few stills, which all films usually get by the time the first teaser hits.

I guess we won't be getting anything by December because WB will want to keep all the focus on The Hobbit. But by the time WB will finally decide to properly begin the marketing (Im guessing February) they will have a bit of company in the form of Iron Man 3 and quite a few other ´´big`` movies that will be coming out in May/June. So instead of starting a bit early, while the other movies are doing nothing, they do nothing as well.

I also wonder what (if anything) we'll get in December. I have a feeling that due to the very positive reaction that the Comic-Con teaser got, we'll get that but just re-arranged a bit.

WB is either very (overly) confident in their product or they have no clue how to promote or present it. Either way, they are doing a bit of gambling by keeping things TOO secretive, imo. There is a fine line between showing too little and too much and MOS is deep in the too little pool. They can't afford such secrecy when nobody in the GA gives a damn about the character.

Well, I just hope they'll be happy with ´´mediocre`` numbers. I can't see this making more than 450 WW at this point.

You always worry over the little ****, man. You did the same thing for this year's Comic-Con. Just relax and wait until next year before you're concerned with marketing. It really makes no sense at this point. They've already built up awareness with a teaser. The rest will come in time.

 

[Moridin]

There's Zack Snyder to consider, you know the man who's actually directing the film.

This, a thousand times.

I said it a week or two ago, people are placing way too much emphasis on C Nolan's involvement in MoS & glossing over people who are much more relevant - Snyder, Goyer, WB.

The past few pages are a prime example of this.

Nolan is going to be the driving force...we all know it. No disrespect to Synder, but we all know what's going on.

Nolan publicly said that he stepped back when Snyder got the job. Nevermind the fact that he was more than a little bit busy making TDKR the same time MoS was being made.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

This, a thousand times.

I said it a week or two ago, people are placing way too much emphasis on C Nolan's involvement in MoS & glossing over people who are much more relevant - Snyder, Goyer, WB.

The past few pages are a prime example of this.



Nolan publicly said that he stepped back when Snyder got the job. Nevermind the fact that he was more than a little bit busy making TDKR the same time MoS was being made.

Nolan may have said he "stepped back" but that doesn't mean he turned his back on MOS.

His name is attached to this movie. No matter what happens, he's gonna make sure his name isn't tarnished by a bad film.

 

[Project862006]

Exactly.

Outside of the X-Men films, all Singer had/has is The Usual Suspects and that was McQuarrie's screenplay.

With Nolan you have two movies in the top 10 all-time box office list, Two Oscar Nominations and a Best Picture Nominee that he himself wrote - more commercially successful than Singer's CBMs.

Nolan is this generation's David Lean. He makes epic films for the thinking man - a formula for critical and commercial acclaim.

ususal suspects is a phenomenal film it ranks up their with even Nolan's best

i think singer needs to go back to thrillers look at his work with usual suspects and apt pupil

 

[charl_huntress]

IMO, it makes sense to keep this this underwraps for as long as they can. Help to build up the anticipation and all that...

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I definitely agree.

 

[Herolee10]

IMO, it makes sense to keep this this underwraps for as long as they can. Help to build up the anticipation and all that...

Well let's hope that they do a better job than the likes of the promotion that Total Rekall and Dredd 3D got, since I barely saw any promotion for that starting until only a few short months away from their actual premieres.

 

[matrix_ghost]

IMO, it makes sense to keep this this underwraps for as long as they can. Help to build up the anticipation and all that...

IMO bad move.
Having nothing to show will work against it. People won't know what to expect when they are seeing this flick.
The Hobbit approach is a good one. Slowly building and showing more . Never too much a la SPider-man 3.

 

[G.Godfrey]

You always worry over the little ****, man.

Maybe I should change my username to Mr.Worrypants? t: Anyway, I wouldn't say that im worrying, it's just that there is nothing else to really talk about, is it? I mean, this movie has been in production for a long time now and it seems most topics of discussion have been exhausted already, given low activity of this forum.

You did the same thing for this year's Comic-Con. Just relax and wait until next year before you're concerned with marketing.

Next year?!?! Dude, I'll wait until December.

They've already built up awareness with a teaser.

Debatable.

Why are you even surprised? This stupid concern always happens on here with movies. Especially CBMs.

I would hardly call it stupid...

 

[G.Godfrey]

It's a bit humorous to still see people be worried a film's marketing.

It might not be so humorous after the opening weekend...

We got a teaser poster and an announcement trailer a couple months back. That'll suffice until December.

There are films that come out at the same time or a bit later, that have more than that...

There's no cause for concern on the marketing. Why would there be? The film is set to be released in June of 2013, and we're in October of 2012 -- that's eight months! Why would WB start promoting Man of Steel now with The Hobbit set to be released in December?

I wasn't saying that they should have started the marketing blitz. But doing NOTHING after the first step, which, imo was a misguided one (the teaser) is also not a very good idea... Speaking of The Hobbit, that had quite a few movie stills and a full length trailer out when it was ´´still`` 8 months away....

 

[Project862006]

they are fine they showed footage at comic con,released an official poster,a 1st official still of henry ,and a teaser and we get a full trailer in 2 months

whats the problem again?