All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 2

[Showtime]

The domestic #'s are close enough IMO. Oh and please don't go there regarding "reality" Show.

I am going there. It's a reality that domestic box office is more relevant to to a studio's bottom line than overseas box office. If you want to continue to debate the "reality" of it, you'll lose.

I want to see a kick ass Superman film way more than a Trek sequel and I'm willing to bet most of the general movie going public does also.

You're not the general public though? How can you quantify what the general public wants? Dark Knight "wants to see a kick ass Superman film way more than Trek", so everybody in the world does.

I can easily call you a "Trekkie" based on your OPINION that a Trek sequel will be some Box Office Juggernaut that everyother movie should be afraid of.

I've only seen Abrams Trek and Wrath Of Khan. I would say it I'm not a "Trekkie". It sucks for you that you have to put words in my mouth in order to attempt at debating me. I never said that every movie had to be afraid of Trek or that it was a juggernaut. What I actually said is all right there for you to review.

Good thing your not on the debate team.

 

[GreenKToo]

About the release date of superman, trek, and the hobbit...I remember the last time supes went up against a powerhouse film..We were all so sure pirates would barely, if at all, phase SR. We all know how that turned out..Yes, you can argue that if SR had been the film that it should have been it would have held its own against depp....eh....pirates, but thats neither here nor there.

I say a november release would be best *IF trek stays on track for christmas 2012. Afterall, we all want mos to have the best chance it can at making some $$$ at the BO. It'll be hard enough getting folks in to see it without making them pick between between it, trek, or the hobbit. It pains me to say, but I'm afraid supes would lose that matchup.

 

[GreenKToo]

I take it that this will be the costume they will use in Man of Steel, no?

Nice work to DC for getting us warmed up to it.

could be, or something similar anyway....interesting thought there..

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I was just thinking about how when the WWF changed to the WWE, they went back and altered all past footage to remove the old logo. Would the heirs winning the lawsuit affect things like the past movies, shows, comics, etc? Would they have to pull Superman: The Movie from the shelves because it contains elements WB no longer owns?

 

[Dark Knight]

I am going there. It's a reality that domestic box office is more relevant to to a studio's bottom line than overseas box office. If you want to continue to debate the "reality" of it, you'll lose.



You're not the general public though? How can you quantify what the general public wants? Dark Knight "wants to see a kick ass Superman film way more than Trek", so everybody in the world does.



I've only seen Abrams Trek and Wrath Of Khan. I would say it I'm not a "Trekkie". It sucks for you that you have to put words in my mouth in order to attempt at debating me. I never said that every movie had to be afraid of Trek or that it was a juggernaut. What I actually said is all right there for you to review.

Good thing your not on the debate team.

double post

 

[DorkyFresh]

the saying "you are only as good as your last movie" doesn't only apply to actors and directors, it also applies to movie franchises...

...the general public knows that a new Superman film is in the works but they don't really know what it's about or how it will be play out (hell, even we don't know). SR is the last movie they've seen and it wasn't that great so that's the movie that's still stuck in their minds. they probably don't even know that this is a reboot.

on the other hand, Star Trek was a runaway success and was EXTREMELY entertaining, even for the average movie goer. it was a great experience for the general public so this is what they'll be thinking when they announce a new Star Trek movie.

i love Superman. he's probably my favorite superhero ever....but right now Star Trek is more popular amongst, not only movie lovers, but the general public as well.

 

[Dark Knight]

I am going there. It's a reality that domestic box office is more relevant to to a studio's bottom line than overseas box office. If you want to continue to debate the "reality" of it, you'll lose.



You're not the general public though? How can you quantify what the general public wants? Dark Knight "wants to see a kick ass Superman film way more than Trek", so everybody in the world does.



I've only seen Abrams Trek and Wrath Of Khan. I would say it I'm not a "Trekkie". It sucks for you that you have to put words in my mouth in order to attempt at debating me. I never said that every movie had to be afraid of Trek or that it was a juggernaut. What I actually said is all right there for you to review.

Good thing your not on the debate team.

How do YOU know that the general public would rather see a damn Star Trek film ahead of a potentially kick ass Superman film? My views are based on conversations I have had with other movie goers and other genre fans. Like I said, it's an OPINION, based on some minor unofficial research. Where are you basing your opinion on? Some made up delusion that the Trek films are some Box Office Juggernaut?

If the Trek sequel were to come out the same day as the new Superman Man Of Steel movie, I'm willing to bet more people would flock to see the Superman movie ahead of any Star Trek film, just as long as the MOS film is clearly marketed and promoted as the opposite of what SR was. However, we both know that neither WB's or Paramount will not run the risk of releasing these two films the same weekend.

Star Trek attracts a smaller movie demographic than a Superman film would and always has. Trek gets the Trekkies and male Sci Fi geeks (women don't want to see a Trek film and neither do teenagers or under 13 year olds) while Superman attracts a much broader movie demographic. A new kick ass Superman film that is the opposite of what SR was has the potential to be a Box Office juggernaut like The Dark Knight. I don't see how a Star Trek film can ever be that type of Box Office juggernaut.

The only possible way that I see for Star Trek to have a chance at being a legit box office juggernaut is to have a compelling, intense, multi dimensional baddie like Khan and they are not going that route. So no chance at a Trek sequel being a box office juggernaut IMO. Just not going to happen.

The next Superman film has that type of box office juggernaut potential, your big bad Trek sequel does not and will probably only do as well as the last film and that is it buddy.

Sorry to disappoint you Showy, but the Trek films have always had a limited movie demographic that can only carry it for for so long. The name SUPERMAN means a lot more to a much broader movie demographic than any Star Trek film ever will.

 

[DorkyFresh]

The next Superman film has that type of box office juggernaut potential, your big bad Trek sequel does not and will probably only do as well as the last film and that is it buddy. Sorry.

dude wtf is your problem??? did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning??

 

[Dark Knight]

dude wtf is your problem??? did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning??

Me and Showy are having a nice debate can't you see?

 

[Dark Knight]

By the way Showy. A small indication of what I'm talking about can be seen on these boards. The Superman threads are far more active than the Trek forums are and this is when news is slow also.

 

[Wheels]

Morrison is writing the Superman comic reboot.

Yeah baby!!!

 

[Dark Knight]

Morrison is writing the Superman comic reboot.

Yeah baby!!!

I like that!

 

[Sabaoth]

Morrison is writing the Superman comic reboot.

Yeah baby!!!

Nice!
Now, who will be drawing that sucker?

 

[DorkyFresh]

Me and Showy are having a nice debate can't you see?

you've got a funny definition of "nice"...

By the way Showy. A small indication of what I'm talking about can be seen on these boards. The Superman threads are far more active than the Trek forums are and this is when news is slow also.

you realize these boards are mainly for talking about SUPERHERO movies right? check a forum made for talking about mainly Sci Fi properties, i'm sure you'll see a different outcome.

Morrison is writing the Superman comic reboot.

Yeah baby!!!

that's cool, too bad Supes's suit is less than inspired though.

 

[Sabaoth]

I was wondering, if DC announced the DC Universe reboot today, then what could be the bombshell that Jim and Geoff are going to announce next week at that convention?

Could it be a pic of Cavill in the new suit?

 

[Wheels]

Nice!
Now, who will be drawing that sucker?

Don't know. Just heard about Morrison on the comics forum.

 

[DorkyFresh]

why would Jim and Geoff (who have nothing to do with the movie) reveal Cavill in the suit?

 

[KRIM]

By the way Showy. A small indication of what I'm talking about can be seen on these boards. The Superman threads are far more active than the Trek forums are and this is when news is slow also.

Surely you're not referring to SuperHeroHype?

In any case, we have nothing to gauge for this Superman outing. Aside from the fact that at the onset of its release, it's already fighting an uphill battle of preconceptions of both SR and the bad rep the character has held for years in the public eye.

ST is at the sequel stage. Which means we've already gotten a taste of what this new franchise has to offer, as well as how people have responded. For the most part it's a resounding success on all fronts. By default, ST is at a lead.

It's too early to accurately call who will be the bigger juggernaut, because it's just as possible that Supes will have this magical promotion, as it is that Trek manages to flub in every aspect of its marketing. I'm far more eager for this film despite thoroughly enjoying ST, but I cannot deny this franchise is in a very precarious position while Trek has already rebooted and rejuvenated their brand name. At this moment, it's more than clear to me who's in a more likely position to succeed from the get-go.

 

[DE LA LUNA]

The name SUPERMAN means a lot more to a much broader movie demographic than any Star Trek film ever will.

I definitely agree that Superman has a much broader demographic. Superman is ingrained in popular culture. I think it's more common to see people wearing a T-Shirt with the "S" logo than any other emblem. It's very rare to see people wearing a T-Shirt with the Spider-Man logo, or the Green Lantern logo.

Superman is very popular amongst the kids. The only audience demographic that the movie has to worry about is the teenage audience, and these can be easy to satisfy if done right. For young guys (like me) they generally need to promote intense and compelling actions scenes, and for young girls they generally need to promote compelling chemistry and romance. [See the success of Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Thor]

In addition, this movie could be critically acclaimed if it not only presents unforgettable action, believable romance, light-hearted comedy. If it the film can incite discussion and provoke intellectual analysis, then I assure you that it could make Superman 'cool' subject to talk about again. [See the success of The Dark Knight and Inception]

All WB/DC has to do is properly hype and promote the film, then Snyder [and his crew] has to make sure that the film properly delivers what was expected and surpass the expectations.

 

[Dark Knight]

I definitely agree that Superman has a much broader demographic. Superman is ingrained in popular culture. I think it's more common to see people wearing a T-Shirt with the "S" logo than any other emblem. It's very rare to see people wearing a T-Shirt with the Spider-Man logo, or the Green Lantern logo.

It's even more rare to see people wearing Star Trek T-Shirts. Lol

 

[Dark Knight]

Surely you're not referring to SuperHeroHype

Yes I do mean the Hype. The Hype appeals to a broad demographic and has for quite sometime. It has forums and threads for everything practically.

The Trek websites sure as heck do not appeal to such a broad demographic overall like the Hype does.

 

[Dark Knight]

Nice!
Now, who will be drawing that sucker?

I would think Jim Lee would...at least for the first 5 issues possibly?

 

[KRIM]

Yes I do mean the Hype. The Hype appeals to a broad demographic and has for quite sometime. It has forums and threads for everything practically.

The Trek websites sure as heck do not appeal to such a broad demographic overall like the Hype does.

No. The Hype is a place where fanboys gather because of their shared interests in superheroes. It has expanded its areas of discussion to a broader and miscellaneous variety, but the core demographic remains the same; we are the comic book fans.

You won't find much (if any) posters that actively go here because they were under the impression that this was primary a free-for-all community. In spite of whatever non-superhero related discussions take place here, it's clear as day we were all brought here by one common interest.

 

[roach]

In spite of whatever non-superhero related discussions take place here, it's clear as day we were all brought here by one common interest.

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[craigdbfan]

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