All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 30

[DarthSkywalker]

Ok, I am starting to doubt with the power reveal answer.

 

[G.Godfrey]

Hello.

 

[Rust]

After Earth got another new trailer. Come ON, WB!

 

[Nemeres]

Better than Reeve? Come on. Unless he actually meant Reeves, as in George.

I don't believe much of it, though. It'll be tough telling the real ones apart from the fake ones in the months leading up to the film.

 

[ModusPonens]

Spoiler

When he enters the Fortress and meets Jor-El, Jor-El tells him that he would have given anything to be the father that Clark needed but knew Clark's life was more important than that. He sent Clark to the Kents on purpose cause he knew they would give him a strong moral compass that he couldn't have given him.

This raises so many questions! So [BLACKOUT]Jor-El is actually in the Fortress? Then what happens to him when Zod comes? Does he die? Does he have powers, too?[/BLACKOUT] I'm so confused.

Spoiler

They didn't show him shave. He basically came clean shaven after leaving the Fortress and getting the suit.

What do people think about this? I'm worried that it will become an object of derision among the general audience; just like how people make fun of the TDK voice/growl, people will think themselves clever by asking "where [BLACKOUT]did Superman's beard go?[/BLACKOUT]"

Also, does anyone have access to that forum? Can someone ask him whether Kyptonians speak an alien language? And, if they do, how do they learn English so well/quickly?

 

[G.Godfrey]

Better than Reeve? Come on. Unless he actually meant Reeves, as in George.

For some people he probably will be (if he isn't too terrible that is). Reeve isn't everyone's ideal, impossible-to-match vision of Superman, you know. Certainly not mine (and I did love him in the role).

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Spoiler

When he enters the Fortress and meets Jor-El, Jor-El tells him that he would have given anything to be the father that Clark needed but knew Clark's life was more important than that. He sent Clark to the Kents on purpose cause he knew they would give him a strong moral compass that he couldn't have given him.

This raises so many questions! So [BLACKOUT]Jor-El is actually in the Fortress? Then what happens to him when Zod comes? Does he die? Does he have powers, too?[/BLACKOUT] I'm so confused.

Jor-El will most likely be a hologram, imo.

Also, the beard thing isn't a big deal to me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jor-El as a very life like hologram. We already know this.

 

[ModusPonens]

Jor-El will most likely be a hologram, imo.

I'm hoping he'll be a hologram, too, but that post makes it sound like Jor-El will be physically there. The post is ambiguous, though, so hopefully I'm reading it wrong.

 

[ModusPonens]

Jor-El as a very life like hologram. We already know this.

We do? How?

 

[Nemeres]

For some people he probably will be (if he isn't too terrible that is). Reeve isn't everyone's ideal, impossible-to-match vision of Superman, you know. Certainly not mine (and I did love him in the role).

Maybe not, but he certainly is lightning in a bottle for me. The combination of his distinctive face, his build, his eyes, his voice... the nuanced portrayal of the dual identities, which I'm not sure this new version lends itself to... that kind of stuff. I predict that regardless of how Cavill does, I'll still think Reeve's performance is better, because (it would seem, from what I've seen so far) he had the more challenging task as an actor.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We do? How?

Because it is in the comic-con trailer.

 

[ModusPonens]

Because it is in the comic-con trailer.

Are you sure? I've watched that trailer a billion times (albeit bootlegged), but I don't remember any mention of a hologram.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Maybe not, but he certainly is lightning in a bottle for me. The combination of his distinctive face, his build, his eyes, his voice... the nuanced portrayal of the dual identities, which I'm not sure this new version lends itself to... that kind of stuff. I predict that regardless of how Cavill does, I'll still think Reeve's performance is better, because (it would seem, from what I've seen so far) he had the more challenging task as an actor.

I love Reeves. Could never believe he could he had the potential warrior I expect from Kal-El. Perhaps it is why I love TAS, JL, and YJ Superman so much.

Are you sure? I've watched that trailer a billion times (albeit bootlegged), but I don't remember any mention of a hologram.

We see Clark reaching out to touch his father in the FoS. Do you really think he is alive? Does that really make any sense?

 

[ModusPonens]

We see Clark reaching out to touch his father in the FoS. Do you really think he is alive? Does that really make any sense?

We don't see him reach out to touch Jor-El.

No, I don't think he's still alive, and I don't think it makes sense, which is why I'm concerned. I don't want him to be alive; it would muck up the story too much.

We've never seen confirmation that Jor-El will be a hologram; it's only been assumed. I assumed it, too. But that post from gamefaqs seems to suggest the possibility that Jor-El is still alive.

 

[Kevin Smith]

And what's up with him being on a boat? And that scene with the bus in trailer 2?

Spoiler

They used a really epic vocal choir during the final battle which almost brought me to tears just cause of how beautiful and flowed with what was going on.

The reason he's on a boat is cause after Jonathan Kent dies, Clark feels he needed to take his advice on locating the man rather than the outsider in his heart. He wanted to see firsthand how a normal person without money would struggle in today's world. So he takes the boat job but one night it's caught in a storm and due to a pipe explosion (scene where he walks through fire) explodes and capsizes. He remains unconscious in the water and goes through several flashbacks with the bus scene being one of them.

This all sounds almost too good to be true, LOL! I hope I'm not spoiling thinks for myself by raising the expectations with fake spoilers....

DUDE. HOLY ****. ALL OF THESE SPOILERS SOUND TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!!!!

I hope they're true. They have been consistent with the other reviews (The Lois/Superman relationship being the "weak" point - and hey, I'm a-okay with that. We've got at least 3 other movies where we've seen that so I'm good).

The only thing that makes me question it is that he said Zod didn't use the beam. Although we don't know for sure WHAT it is we are seeing in the trailer, I'm thinking Zod uses it once someplace and he's going to use it again later but Superman disables it. I could be wrong but I'm thinking the poster is talking about the final fight with Zod and Superman, so I'm not expecting to hear he uses it. Doesn't mean he never uses it at all in the movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We don't see him reach out to touch Jor-El.

No, I don't think he's still alive, and I don't think it makes sense, which is why I'm concerned. I don't want him to be alive; it would muck up the story too much.

We've never seen confirmation that Jor-El will be a hologram; it's only been assumed. I assumed it, too. But that post from gamefaqs seems to suggest the possibility that Jor-El is still alive.

You are right, he doesn't reach out, but he is starring right at his father who is showing him his symbol in the FoS.

If Jor-El were still alive, why wouldn't he have raised Kal-El? Why wouldn't he fight against Zod? Come on, it is easy math.

 

[gomez147]

He's replied but seems to have dodged the question regarding the oil rig

I don't think he did dodge it, he didn't reply the 'title sequence' question too

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

After Earth got another new trailer. Come ON, WB!

Hush, that movie comes out a full week before MOS! That is so much longer than when MOS hits theaters. Yep a full week.

So we shouldn't expect so much as another poster until April or May. I mean so what that After Earth got another poster to go along with that trailer, it's being released a full week before MOS. You are just being a whinning impatent fanboy who wants the whole movie spoiled for you!!!

 

[ModusPonens]

You are right, he doesn't reach out, but he is starring right at his father who is showing him his symbol in the FoS.

If Jor-El were still alive, why wouldn't he have raised Kal-El? Why wouldn't he fight against Zod? Come on, it is easy math.

Yes, he's staring right at Jor-El, and Jor-El doesn't look like a hologram. A lot of people were confused when we saw that, including me, but I think we mostly just assumed it was a really life-like hologram.

And, hold on, it's not "easy math." There's no simple rule of logic that can help us derive a contradiction. Certainly a lot of questions arise, but they can be answered by other means. For example, you ask "why wouldn't he have raised Kal-El," but the gamefaqs poster answered that exact question: "Jor-El tells him that he would have given anything to be the father that Clark needed but knew Clark's life was more important than that. He sent Clark to the Kents on purpose cause he knew they would give him a strong moral compass that he couldn't have given him."

Any "why wouldn't he fight against Zod?" I don't know, maybe he does, and gets killed! I wouldn't be happy with that answer; it strays too far from the established canon, but that doesn't mean Goyer didn't write it into the script.

Look, I'm not saying that Jor-El will still be alive; I certainly do not want that to be the case. I'm just saying that the gamefaqs post is ambiguous about whether Jor-El is still alive. I hope the ambiguity is due to the poster's own mistake, but as it stands, the post can be read in a way that suggests that Jor-El is still alive in the Fortress. It's an odd plot-twist, I know, and I repeat: I don't want it to be true.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

let's not go bringing simple math into this....I think hard enough as it is

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, he's staring right at Jor-El, and Jor-El doesn't look like a hologram. A lot of people were confused when we saw that, including me, but I think we mostly just assumed it was a really life-like hologram.

And, hold on, it's not "easy math." There's no simple rule of logic that can help us derive a contradiction. Certainly a lot of questions arise, but they can be answered by other means. For example, you ask "why wouldn't he have raised Kal-El," but the gamefaqs poster answered that exact question: "Jor-El tells him that he would have given anything to be the father that Clark needed but knew Clark's life was more important than that. He sent Clark to the Kents on purpose cause he knew they would give him a strong moral compass that he couldn't have given him."

Any "why wouldn't he fight against Zod?" I don't know, maybe he does, and gets killed! I wouldn't be happy with that answer; it strays too far from the established canon, but that doesn't mean Goyer didn't write it into the script.

Look, I'm not saying that Jor-El will still be alive; I certainly do not want that to be the case. I'm just saying that the gamefaqs post is ambiguous about whether Jor-El is still alive. I hope the ambiguity is due to the poster's own mistake, but as it stands, the post can be read in a way that suggests that Jor-El is still alive in the Fortress. It's an odd plot-twist, I know, and I repeat: I don't want it to be true.

You do realize that if you take the Gamefaq as fact, there is no indication that you see Jor-El on Earth outside of the FoS right?

 

[gomez147]

I think this month is gonna be cold regarding to marketing. Then, when 3rd trailer releases in April, I hope a bunch of new images and TV Spots in April-May

 

[ModusPonens]

You do realize that if you take the Gamefaq as fact, there is no indication that you see Jor-El on Earth outside of the FoS right?

Yes, of course. And?

Look, there's an easy way to clear up this confusion; someone could ask the gamefaqs poster to clarify his post by asking "When you say Clark meets with Jor-El, do you mean a hologram of Jor-El?"

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

just for fun....