All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 30

[DarthSkywalker]

Simple answer to end the debate: Do large action set pieces look bigger (depth, scope) during the day or at night?

Why did The Hobbit tree scene take place at night? Why did final The Amazing Spider-Man fight take place at night? Why, in general, is night time used for some action scenes when day light would work just as well?

Because it shrinks the frame and makes smaller scale action look bigger. It's one of the main reasons Nolan chose to set the final Bane/Batman battle in day light.

Did Helm's Deep lose scope? Nope. Did either Mines scene lose depth? Nope.

 

[JimJimBinks]

This is where quality of the film balances out marketing. If the movie is of high quality you can be modest with marketing costs (and by modest I mean in the tens of millions) and WOM takes over. Look at Skyfall, which came after the poorly received Quantum.

But if you have a movie that's not likely to generate positive buzz you can either oversaturate the market (i.e. Green Lantern) or throw your hands up and save the cash (i.e. John Carter, Jonah He) and it won't matter. Bad WOM is the most worrisome, and uncontrollable, marketing aspect.

Could WB be doing more? Of course. But think of it this way: What if the reason they're not freaking out and overmarketing early is because they have faith in the project? Just something to think about.

You make good points, but the core issue is a lack of trust in WB by Superman fans. Especially when it comes to Superman. They marketed SR poorly (it was well reviewed for the most part) and before that there was nothing but failed poorly thought out film projects going all the way back to Superman IV.

 

[mohoo]

Superman is a recognizable brand, that means you don't have to keep reminding people of it, you won't be afraid to mixed with other projects, you have a fan base.

But of course, people recognizing it is one thing, and them paying to see it is another.

People pay to see what they like, and they didn't like SR. Not enough at least.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That doesn't make sense. Floyd likes to fight as close to Cinco de Mayo as possible.

He might but the card was practically official. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. The UFC card was plagued with injuries.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

OMG are you being serious?

It made $370+ million worldwide off a $150 budget -- In a pre-TDK/TDKR world

What was the highest grossing superhero movie before Batman Begins? What about now?

The industry has changed drastically since TDK.

You're fooling yourself if you think the build up to Man of Steel is remotely comparable to Superman Returns.

As apposed to what many people thought, superhero movies are grossing more than any other genre and have become THE must see movies of the year every year.

Spider-Man. Which made more then double Begins ($821 million) and is still #4 on the domestic list of comic book movies.

Begins actually made less money then Batman '89, 16 years later.

He might but the card was practically official. It wouldn't have mattered anyway. The UFC card was plagued with injuries.

Just feels like it happens more and more these days.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Did Helm's Deep lose scope? Nope? Did either Mines scene lose depth? Nope.

Compared to the other battles? Yes of course it did, because you can't discern distance, size and scope in the dark as clearly as during day light.

That's not even debatable.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Just feels like it happens more and more these days.

It's happening alot in the NFL too these days.

2012 was a bad year for MMA fans. Too many goddamn injuries. It doesn't help that Zuffa decided to go the way of quantity over quality that year either. Soooo many lackluster fights.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Spider-Man. Which made more then double Begins ($821 million) and is still #4 on the domestic list of comic book movies.

Begins actually made less money then Batman '89, 16 years later./QUOTE]

What? The Amazing Spider-Man only made $700 mil worldwide. And it was projected to only make $500.

But that doesn't even answer the question. What does budget have to do with the setting of the final fight scene?


Begins made less money than Batman 89 because Batman 89 was a revolutionary movie for the industry as a whole. Like TDK. And it was the first serious live action Batman movie in history.

C'mon dude stop trolling and actually answer the questions instead of going off on random tangents that don't prove a thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Compared to the other battles? Yes of course it did, because you can't discern distance, size and scope in the dark as clearly as during day light.

That's not even debatable.

You can with visual cues and lighting. None of these battles take place in pitch blackness and are lit beautifully. And stuff like the torches they have the Uruk-Hai carrying show you how massive their forces are. If anything, it made it more clear, as it wasn't just a simple mass of cgi creations without the torches making it more clear how widespread they are.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You can with visual cues and lighting. None of these battles take place in pitch blackness and are lit beautifully. And stuff like the torches they have the Uruk-Hai carrying show you how massive their forces are. If anything, it made it more clear, as it wasn't just a simple mass of cgi creations without the torches making it more clear how widespread they are.

Not sure if you're being serious. You've gotta be joking around going on for this long right?

 

[Mysteryman]

If MOS opens up with numbers similar to that of Batman Begins , there will be a sequel.
Without a doubt .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's happening alot in the NFL too these days.

2012 was a bad year for MMA fans. Too many goddamn injuries. It doesn't help that Zuffa decided to go the way of quantity over quality that year either. Soooo many lackluster fights.

Yep. I feel like I am holding my breath for every event, hoping it goes off.

What? The Amazing Spider-Man only made $700 mil worldwide. And it was projected to only make $500.

But that doesn't even answer the question. What does budget have to do with the setting of the final fight scene?


Begins made less money than Batman 89 because Batman 89 was a revolutionary movie for the industry as a whole. Like TDK. And it was the first serious live action Batman movie in history.

C'mon dude stop trolling and actually answer the questions instead of going off on random tangents that don't prove a thing.

Am I being punked? Spider-Man came out in 2002 and made $821 million, I don't know why you are connecting the battle scene conversation to this one, and you are the one who it is becoming more and more clear is trolling.

Or am I really to believe you just mixed up TASM with SM, when you asked about a film that came out before Batman Begins?

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I can't believe we are sitting here arguing which looks better...day or night. Geez

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can't believe we are sitting here arguing which looks better...day or night. Geez

I am not arguing that. I think both have their merits for specific reasons. Look at the new Iron Man trailer. The final shot with the multiple suits. One of the reasons I think it works so well is that it is at night, where the suits glowly bits stand out beautifully.

Anyways, dinner time.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm not buying that heat vision would look better during the day than at night....

I didn't say it would look better, I said it would blot out some of the ambient environment.

If you need an example of this compare any lightsaber fight that takes place at night and during the day.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm fine with day or night action scenes to be honest.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

So I've seen some talk about some posters being released this week? Is there any truth to this rumor?

 

[Boy Scout]

We don't know yet. That's why it's a rumor.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

We don't know yet. That's why it's a rumor.

Good point.

smartass

 

[Boy Scout]

It's what I do.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Am I sure that large action set pieces at night don't have the visibility of large action set pieces that take place during day time?

Yes, I'm sure of that. Go watch The Avengers or Lord of the Rings and picture the battle scenes at night. Don't impresses as much because you lose depth and scope.

I'm pretty sure Superman's red laser eye blasts would look better during day time when they won't blot out the ambient environment. Again, depth and scope.

once again I'll quote this...are you SURE you didn't say it would look better during the day time???? Because I'm almost certain you did. And if filmed correctly it wouldn't blot out anything....I'm sure they know how to film heat vision at night without taking away from the rest of the film

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I didn't say it would look better, I said it would blot out some of the ambient environment.

If you need an example of this compare any lightsaber fight that takes place at night and during the day.

yeah...ya did

also...any lightsaber fight looks leaps and bounds better at night than during the day. I love to see the glow of a lightsaber at night on the face of it's wielder

 

[Poni_Boy]

I stand corrected.

But I also stand by that statement.

For the laser effect to have the crazy "angry" red power people are saying they want it would be more akin to how Cyclops looked in the X-Men movies or how lighsabers are portrayed in the Star Wars prequels. Hot/bright light disrupts your vision of the ambient environment.

Will it look bad at night? Heck no. But I think it would look better during the day.

 

[C. Lee]

I can't believe we are sitting here arguing which looks better...day or night. Geez

I can't believe that yet again people are spending all their time in the SUPERMAN thread talking about everything but SUPERMAN.....

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I think if having it take place during the day would dull it...it wouldn't look as spectacular as it would to see his heat vision cutting through the night sky. I'm sure we will get heat vision during the day and it should look just fine but I'm hoping we get some heat vision shots at night...I think it would look absolutely fantastic