All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 5

[TheIncredibleSk]

Kuro is gonna find a way to dislike this film.

 

[SatEL]

I want it to be as close to the comics as possible, and when I mean "the comics", I mean the Superman comics that count-1938-1986.

I agree with some of your views regarding this movie and certain changes but disagree with the highlighted statement. I think every era of Superman in the comics counts as each one has added something new to the mythos.

 

[moviedoors]

I want it to be as close to the comics as possible, and when I mean "the comics", I mean the Superman comics that count-1938-1986.

You might as well give up and just skip the movies from here on out then.

 

[ElDuderino]

This may have already been discussed:

http://www.globalnews.ca/health/can...couver+vancouver+island/6442483026/story.html

"Autumn Frost will film in the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island from early September through to the end of January 2012," Rino Pace, locations manager for production company Third Act Productions Inc., wrote in a letter to Ucluelet council.

"We have been preparing the film since early spring, which includes building 'sets' in the various 'stages' in and around the Vancouver area..." Pace said Ucluelet has the "look" the directors and production designer envisioned.

While in Ucluelet, filming will take place on land owned by a local First Nation and on a municipal street, and the town will play the role of a small, Alaskan fishing village. Filming will also take place on the ocean and at an industrial dock.

Any ideas what these scenes are intended to be?

 

[Lily Adler]

FoS?

 

[dark_b]

they finished filming in Gotham?

 

[ElDuderino]

FoS?

With 4 months of shooting, I guess they're building sets and doing most of the interior shooting here. Then doing some outdoor stuff in a "Alaskan fishing town" at which Clark will stop on his journey to find/build the FoS? Just throwing out speculation.

 

[Astrodust]

If they are smart the sets should have already been built. This production is starting to sound like it's over 200 million based on how long this shooting schedule is. It's gonna push 8 months.

 

[ElDuderino]

If they are smart the sets should have already been built. This production is starting to sound like it's over 200 million based on how long this shooting schedule is. It's gonna push 8 months.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that they are building sets in the 4 month time span. Just that 4 months is a lot of time to spend in a small Alaskan fishing town, so the rest of the time must be spent filming inside in built out sets.

 

[Aluchak]

Sweet, they're filming in Vancouver soon, my city. I'll keep an eye out.

 

[Superark]

I want it to be as close to the comics as possible, and when I mean "the comics", I mean the Superman comics that count-1938-1986.

I know what ya mean, though I understand when certain changes are made on film.

To be honest, I wish I felt the same way about this film as I did back in 2004-2006 when I was waiting for Superman Returns to come out.

Back then I couldn't have been more excited or giddy like a little kid with anticipation for the movie to premiere. Unfortunately, I have felt none of that with Man of Steel. My interest in this project has almost completely dissipated with the creative choices they've made. As a lifelong Superman fan I cannot tell you how much that saddens me.

 

[Kurosawa]

Kuro is gonna find a way to dislike this film.

Meh, it is what it is. No matter how much I blast it, if once I get in the theater and if it strikes me as being at least somewhat true to the spirit of the comics, I'll like it fine. There's twice many things about it I like as there are things I dislike at this stage. I like the casting, the actor playing Superman, the director-just not crazy about the costumes, worried about the lack of glasses on Clark, and no Jimmy or Lex.

I agree with some of your views regarding this movie and certain changes but disagree with the highlighted statement. I think every era of Superman in the comics counts as each one has added something new to the mythos.

1938-1986 are the years when Superman evolved but stayed true to the basic principles of his creators intentions. From 1986-2011, the character has been what is best described as lost. Occasionally the real Superman would shine through-a Kingdom Come here, a Birthright or All-Star Superman there, but for the most part, Superman wandered lost, a shadow of his former greatness.

You might as well give up and just skip the movies from here on out then.

Well, what I would like to see and what I expect are two different things. If there's anything I've learned from Hollywood adaptations of superhero comics, it is to diminish my expectations.

I know what ya mean, though I understand when certain changes are made on film.

To be honest, I wish I felt the same way about this film as I did back in 2004-2006 when I was waiting for Superman Returns to come out.

Back then I couldn't have been more excited or giddy like a little kid with anticipation for the movie to premiere. Unfortunately, I have felt none of that with Man of Steel. My interest in this project has almost completely dissipated with the creative choices they've made. As a lifelong Superman fan I cannot tell you how much that saddens me.

Once you realize that this movie is being made because of the lawsuit and not for anything even approaching artistic or creative reasons, you can take it for what it is-product.

 

[souperman]

Is it known if this is an origins movie,-introducing Superman? I mean full blown. I am assuming there will be some back story since he has his Kryptonian parents.

I was thinking that it would be nice to see peoples reactions to the "firsts" of his powers, like bullets bouncing off his chest etc.

was always amusing and perplexed that the bad guys would still shoot at Supes even though they knew he could not be hurt. Still like seeing it though. Just wish they would be creative in showing it.

 

[Tomar-Re]

Sweet, they're filming in Vancouver soon, my city. I'll keep an eye out.

Me too. I walk by The Daily Planet, well the Smallville version (on Burrard) everyday

 

[Marvin]

Just got back from a Drive screening, when they played the Immortals trailer, I heard a lot people talking about superman and how "cool" the star(people still don't know him name it seems) is.

 

[sf2]

Just got back from a Drive screening, when they played the Immortals trailer, I heard a lot people talking about superman and how "cool" the star(people still don't know him name it seems) is.

great news i suppose. never thought 'a lot of people' is awared of it.

 

[sf2]

I know what ya mean, though I understand when certain changes are made on film.

To be honest, I wish I felt the same way about this film as I did back in 2004-2006 when I was waiting for Superman Returns to come out.

Back then I couldn't have been more excited or giddy like a little kid with anticipation for the movie to premiere. Unfortunately, I have felt none of that with Man of Steel. My interest in this project has almost completely dissipated with the creative choices they've made. As a lifelong Superman fan I cannot tell you how much that saddens me.

bingo!!! me feel the same. maybe we were still burnout by the last experience. somehow i feel like it doesn't offer anything new, story wise. and the new things they offer, i can't appreciate them.

Once you realize that this movie is being made because of the lawsuit and not for anything even approaching artistic or creative reasons, you can take it for what it is-product.

better than none i guess.

 

[KyleDW2]

1938-1986 are the years when Superman evolved but stayed true to the basic principles of his creators intentions. From 1986-2011, the character has been what is best described as lost. Occasionally the real Superman would shine through-a Kingdom Come here, a Birthright or All-Star Superman there, but for the most part, Superman wandered lost, a shadow of his former greatness.

Wow. What a highly snobbish and arrogant thing to say. I imagine you saying this, relaxed in a big leather chair, Chardonnay in one hand and a comic book in the other, with a device attached to your face to make sure your nose is as high in the air as is possible.

If Grant Morrison's run on Batman has taught me one thing, its that all versions of the character are legitimate. Only the most pig headed and stubborn of "fans" think otherwise. If this movie is based on Golden, Silver, Modern or post-Flashpoint Superman, so long as it taps into something that the modern audience wants, it will be a success. But let me ask something. So far it looks like this is going to have a really post-Crisis, John Byrne era feel. The costume alone makes it seem like they're going "realistic," which is what that era tried to do. It made Clark the real personality, kept the Kents alive, and so on. So let me ask you this. Suppose this movie is a total post-Crisis fantasy which Byrne himself would eat up with a spoon. Also suppose that it is a fantastic hit, even with all of those changes. Will you admit that you are wrong about post-Crisis comics then?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

1938-1986 are the years when Superman evolved but stayed true to the basic principles of his creators intentions. From 1986-2011, the character has been what is best described as lost. Occasionally the real Superman would shine through-a Kingdom Come here, a Birthright or All-Star Superman there, but for the most part, Superman wandered lost, a shadow of his former greatness.
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I'm surprised you've got Birthright in that list.

But if anything that just goes to show how perfect it is as a guideline on how to handle this film.

If both you and I like it, then basically it's clearly accesible to all areas of the fandom.

 

[JAK®]

The costume alone makes it seem like they're going "realistic,"

How on earth is the costume we have any more realistic than the classic version?

Does replacing red trunks with sculpted veins turn a costume from fantasy to something practical?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think Kyle is suggesting that the costume is clearly kryptonian wear (especially now we've seen Zod in a black version), and that Superman's costume being kryptonian wear is in itself more 'realistic' than his mother making it fo him.

 

[The Morningstar]

I want it to be as close to the comics as possible, and when I mean "the comics", I mean the Superman comics that count-1938-1986.

You need to realise that these 200 million dollars films are not made just for us comic book fans. We make up about 10% of the audience (if that). It's simply not very good business sense to cater just to comic book fans.

The sooner you accept this maybe you'll enjoy yourself more.

 

[JAK®]

You need to realise that these 200 million dollars films are not made just for us comic book fans. We make up about 10% of the audience (if that). It's simply not very good business sense to cater just to comic book fans.

The sooner you accept this maybe you'll enjoy yourself more.

Why does he need to realise that? If that's what he wants from a Superman movie, that's his right. He doesn't need to lower his standards for anything.

 

[Dr.]

Why does he need to realise that? If that's what he wants from a Superman movie, that's his right. He doesn't need to lower his standards for anything.

“Lower his standards”? That would suggest that comic books, axiomatically, represent a “higher standard” of collected narratives. I’ve never been convinced that that’s true.

 

[JAK®]

“Lower his standards”? That would suggest that comic books, axiomatically, represent a “higher standard” of collected narratives. I’ve never been convinced that that’s true.

That's not what I was implying.