All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 51

[Glassjaw]

I'm currently reading the Empire article (decided to pick up the Superman cover as I've always preferred the hero to the villain :d) and I love how often Snyder uses the word awesome. I really do love that he's a comic fan and he gets to play with that stuff in his job.

Cool, I'm setting off for Tescos now for Empire and GQ, and the sun is out! If people look closely they'll see a definite spring in my step

 

[BH/HHH]

Also in the Empire mag there's an article on Chris Reeve, so there's even more Superman goodies t:

 

[G.Godfrey]

Batman Begins is 2hrs and 11 minutes without credits. The running time talked about in the Empire Magazine article is probably the running time of the film without credits....meaning, it's the same running time of Begins.

What's there to complain about?

MOS seems to cover a bit more ground than Begins AND Goyer said it has more action than any of the Nolan's Batman films. But yeah, like I demonstrated in my breakdown post, around 130 minutes (without credits of course) is enough to cover all the aspects we know of. And I just realized we pretty much know the entire plot! Ah well, price to pay for being a fan and following every single thing about the film on a daily bases.

 

[BH/HHH]

Batman Begins is 2hrs and 11 minutes without credits. The running time talked about in the Empire Magazine article is probably the running time of the film without credits....meaning, it's the same running time of Begins.

What's there to complain about?

The first Iron Man film, without credits, is 1hr and 57 minutes. Iron Man 2 is 1hr and 58 minutes without credits.

Some people just want something to ***** about, I love how some are panicking cause the length isn't what they wanted. Why don't they wait and watch the damn thing lol

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Now I know some people have been brainwashed to enjoy these over long Summer movies that we have been getting for the last 5 to 7 years.

I'm glad someone finally decided to use the editor for one of these films. I was just fine with the first two Spider-Man flicks (I hate to mention the flicks on here because of the bashing but I like the popular well liked by the public films so I'm ****ing bringing them up) and Iron Man not being 2 hours and 30 minutes. I hate Peter Jackson syndrome.

 

[J.Howlett]

MOS seems to cover a bit more ground than Begins AND Goyer said it has more action than any of the Nolan's Batman films. But yeah, like I demonstrated in my breakdown post, around 130 minutes (without credits of course) is enough to cover all the aspects we know of. And I just realized we pretty much know the entire plot! Ah well, price to pay for being a fan and following every single thing about the film on a daily bases.

Well, the action is going to be at the same specific points that are in Begins. The difference? The size and scope of the action, not to mention the use of visual effects.

The action in the Dark Knight Trilogy is of a very large scale, but very old school in it's execution. Nolan just didn't use CG to bump up the action in the films. They feel very 70's/80's. Can't do that with Kal-El. The action in this film will feel very modern with the extensive use of visual effects. I think that's what Goyer was really getting at.

 

[G.Godfrey]

Now I know some people have been brainwashed to enjoy these over long Summer movies that we have been getting for the last 5 to 7 years.

Or people just enjoy long (great) movies - or simply put enoy a good movie regardless of it's length (not all of us have such poor endurance that we can't sit in a theater and pay attention for more than 2 hours ), ever thought of that? Oh well, I guess I was brainwashed a long long time ago after watching Godfather 2 in all it's 200 minute awesomeness.

Also, fun fact: Only 2 movies in the top 10 highest grossing films of all time are under 143 minutes (with the highest being 201 minutes). So that is a whooooole bunch of brainwashed people from all over the world.

 

[dark_b]

It's like he placed too much importance on what Bryan Singer wanted in a Superman movie and didn't consider how anyone else felt about it.

if you would get the chance to make a superman movie. would you make it for everyone? is this possible with a character like superman who has such a big history?

and please dont writte that MOS is for everyone.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

Or people just enjoy long (great) movies - or simply put enoy a good movie regardless of it's length (not all of us have such poor endurance that we can't sit in a theater and pay attention for more than 2 hours ), ever thought of that? Oh well, I guess I was brainwashed a long long time ago after watching Godfather 2 in all it's 200 minute awesomeness.

Also, fun fact: Only 2 movies in the top 10 highest grossing films of all time are under 143 minutes (with the highest being 201 minutes). So that is a whooooole bunch of brainwashed people from all over the world.

I don't think the point is that the films are long, just unnecessarily long. 2:10 is plenty of time, besides it doesn't seem like it has much more to cover than Begins did.

 

[G.Godfrey]

I don't think the point is that the films are long, just unnecessarily long.

In most cases the length is not unnecessary at all. If it would be those films would do worse critically and financially. In fact, from my experiences there are more films that are too short than those that are too long. Most of the time there is a very good reason for movies being 140+minutes. Aside from Skyfall. That thing was too long and boring in a lot of places.

2:10 is plenty of time

I know, I came to that conclusion mysefl, I will repost it again in spoiler tags in case anyone missed it:

Spoiler

Depends on whose origin it is. Superman's is (one of) the biggest, most epic origins - if done right. This film seems to cover more ground than S:TM which was at 143 minutes (ok some of that is intro and end credits).

If it's 2:10 without end credits, then it should suffice in this case, but just for fun I've decide to do a breakdown of what we know and how long certain aspect could/should be based on my life-long movie watching experiences, lol. t:

Krypton scenes - 15 - 20 minutes?

Goyer said Crowe's part isn't just a cameo. Empire article again states we'll see quite a bit of Krypton. Supposedly they really fleshed out aspects like politics, fauna etc. I expect some of Krypton to be in flashbacks but they have to cover Zod's back story a bit and his capture, Jor-El, the genetic manipulation thing, civil war and the rest. Can't see this being under 20 minutes. 15 at the least.

Smallville scenes with Clark growing up - 15 - 20 minutes?

Again there is a whole period to cover here, from baby Kal-El landing, to him being a young boy (the hospital scene) to him being a teenager (school bus/ship in the barn) to the adult Clark (Tornado sequence). I can't see this being under 15 minutes as well.

Clark on a journey - 15 minutes?

This includes Clark's decision to travel, arriving in Alaska, working in a bar, on a dock/fishing boat, rescuing the oil rig workers AND finding the fortress. Just the bit in the fortress is probably going to be 5 minutes at least so 15 minutes for everything is the least I can imagine.

Lois Lane/Daily Planet - 10 minutes?

Lane/Perry/Daily Planet introduction and Lois following Clark around.

So far that's 55 minutes at the minimum and 65 for what I think would be an OK time for nothing to feel rushed or underdeveloped, although with everything that has to be covered in here I expect the pace to be rather fast and montage like in some cases. Not my personal preference but I admit it doesn't necessarily make the movie worst. Moving on we will have

Zod's escape journey towards Earth/Hopefully some character development for him and Faora/Zod's arrival on earth and Kent farm/Smallville battle/Supes surrender to military, Supes in interrogation/Scenes with Hamilton/Military giving Supes to Faora and co - 25 minutes

Black Zero scenes and the Black Zero escape - 10 minutes

No idea what will happen here but I'm expecting some Zod/Supes conversation, them putting or trying to put Superman in a prison cell, Superman rescuing Lois (escape pod remember) and Supes dealing with Zod.

Black Zero arrival on Metropolis/Final battle - 15 minutes

Conclusion/Clark's Daily Planet scenes - 10 minutes

Miscellaneous stuff/Things I forgot ( )/Things that we don't know about (I'm sure there's some). - 10 minutes

So thats 70 minutes and if we add the 65 I'm hoping for the origin parts that is 135 minutes or 125 minutes at the minimum.

I hope nobody expects a fully fleshed out Lois/Supes relationship (remember the supposed early screenings reviews, everyone said this felt rushed) but that's OK, there shouldn't be one in an origin, IMO.

I also hope that Zod is not an underdeveloped villain with minimal screen time (ala Nero in ST).

And that's it. Now me, I like my movies to breathe. I don't like a too fast pace or montage like scenes, but that's a personal preference. If I enjoy a movie I can watch it for 3 hours . If TDKR was 30 minutes longer and had more Batman/Bane back story/Selina-Catwoman time I'd love it! t: But like I said, I do know this doesn't translate into movie quality.

Now if it's 130 minutes WITH end credits, meaning it's only like 120 minutes or less, then we have a problem. A BIG problem. But I'm still hoping that the IMDB run time is true, 148 minutes with credits, leaving the film in the 135 range. Pretty much perfect.

Any thoughts on this??? t:

besides it doesn't seem like it has much more to cover than Begins did.

How?? It has 2 separate set of parents to deal with (one on a separate planet), MOS's young Clark scenes seem to be more in depth than young Bruce Wayne's, Clark seems to do as much as Bruce did on his travels and there will be more action with a greater threat level compared to Begins. I also expect Lois Lane's character to have more to do than Rachel. Well, its not much more, but it is more.

But like I said, if it's 130 minimum without the end credits, it's going to be A-OK (probably perfect).

 

[musclesforsupes]

I think this is a great time for a movie, I mean after 2.5 or longer I start getting bored and tired of sitting.



Anyone hope we see Bizzaro in the sequel?

 

[Superherofan123]

I think 130 mins is perfect. Same length as begins. I feel like some people on here just want to have something to complain about. And if it ends up being 148 then that's great too! I'm just pumped we are about 7 weeks away!

 

[Project862006]

star trek was 2 hours and 7 minutes and that was an ensemble piece

 

[Herolee10]

Now all that's really left is for some character posters.....

 

[DIRECTOR]

With how much story seems to be in the movie and all the character developments.... I bet the movie will be around 2 hr. And 30 min..... And why not?

 

[G.Godfrey]

star trek was 2 hours and 7 minutes and that was an ensemble piece

Now even though I am defending the 130 minute run time I still have to lol with ST constantly being brought up when it's apples and oranges compared to Superman. Not to mention it's villain was one of the weakest ever. Also you say an ensemble piece, well MOS has as many important characters to deal with as ST did. S:TM was 143 minutes and didn't feel bloated or too long at all to me.

 

[G.Godfrey]

Now all that's really left is for some character posters.....

They will come after the theatrical poster. Looking at TDKR, the poster came out 2 weeks after the final trailer and a week after there were plenty of character posters and banners released. So I expect posters and banners for MOS in a week or two at most.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Can't wait to see what they've come up with, aside from the blurry handcuff poster everything else has been stellar.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Now all that's really left is for some character posters.....

And the movie...

 

[The Shield]

And the movie...

Here here!

 

[JOE]

June 14th can't come quick enough.

 

[GreenKToo]

Everything is always hush, hush until everything comes together.

Personally I doubt WB is dumb enough to go the JL route if MOS is a big hit. A sequel makes the most sense.

If MoS is the hit that we all think/hope it will be, then I really hope they make a WF film first with Cavill and whichever actor they pick for Batman. JL can wait.

Make that the film where we are introduced to the new Batman. No need for a complete origin retelling of Bats in a solo film so soon. Just show a late 20's early 30's Bats that meets Cavill's Superman. Maybe Joker and Lex force them to meet and team up. thats up to the writers.
Anywho, make this Batman one that is truly a martial arts master AND the worlds greatest detective.

 

[Zionite1]

Everything is always hush, hush until everything comes together.

Personally I doubt WB is dumb enough to go the JL route if MOS is a big hit. A sequel makes the most sense.

Remember 2015 is the year of Avengers 2 and Star wars.

Wb needs a film that can compete with this two giants and quite frankly they probably doubt Superman alone can take them.MOS performance cld howver change their minds but it wld have to do TDK numbers or close to it for WB to have faith it can.

 

[JOE]

Avengers 2 and Star Wars 7 are going to devour any movie that comes out in 2015. Despite how well MOS does, MOS 2 would take a huge hit in 2015 unless it comes out at the end of the year.

 

[Zionite1]

Avengers 2 and Star Wars 7 are going to devour any movie that comes out in 2015. Despite how well MOS does, MOS 2 would take a huge hit in 2015 unless it comes out at the end of the year.

The Justice league stands a better chance against them.Which is why Wb will be looking at it as their summer card