All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 52

[Rogzilla]

not really...flying should just come natural to him. I really want to see Superman hover

I think he'll hover, but hover isn't flying. And I know I always hated in any live action take when Superman goes from standing on the ground to floating with zero effort. It looks fake. Sure, he has superpowers but physics still apply. All special effects fall apart when the artists don't take physics into account.

In the trailer, we see Superman build up to a big push and launch himself forward at Mach speed. I think if Superman is going to go from standing to floating, there should be somesort of effort on his part, even if he's just kicking off with the tips of his feet. Seeing him float around like he's on strings (spoiler alert, he probably is) just looks absolutely fake.

 

[Dr.]

I would like to see something like him saving a person from an explosion at superspeed. The device/car/whatever starts exploding. maybe its a by-product of the fight, that doesn't matter.
Anyway, Supes stops, and turns to see what the sound is and sees a person in extreme danger.
He starts moving toward them at superspeed and everything around him slows to a halt. He flys in and pulls the person out as the edge of the blastwave is just inches from him/her.

A common stunt in Smallville (maybe because it’s cheap to do?). But (fyi) it fudges the physics. While Supes can easily withstand the extreme acceleration/deceleration (g-forces), his passengers would get turned into hamburger.

 

[Mikelus]

This is probably the first thing about the film I do not like. I love the effortless take offs

Well, in the takeoff from the trailer we see part of what Snyder is saying. Anyway, the flying we have seen so far looks pretty good IMO.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I understand what you mean....a powered forceful blastoff can be cool for certain times....but a light levitation and effortless flight is sense of wonderment, alieness, and awe.

This is true. Though that always reminds me of wire work and well Peter Pan.

A common stunt in Smallville (maybe because it’s cheap to do?). But (fyi) it fudges the physics. While Supes can easily withstand the extreme acceleration/deceleration (g-forces), his passengers would get turned into hamburger.

Just like Happy Tree friends. t:

 

[Whiskey Tango]

yeah I have no problems with slow and light take-offs. Is Superman the kind of guy that's ok with leaving massive property damage via stress fractures in streets and buildings every time he leaves the ground?

 

[KalMart]

I'm actually thankful we finally have some real powerful flying for Superman, and not just the floaty/hovering stuff. There's so much flight with other characters that it just doesn't have the innate 'wonder', especially if it's the oldest originator of the concept. That's one of the things that SR missed the boat with, in that it was expecting a sense of awe with just the sight of Superman in mid-air without a sense of speed or dynamism. I'm sure some of it will come, but so far Iron Man holds the top prize for film flying (albeit helped by the rockets), and not because of a sense of godliness or what have you. The fact that it's Superman doesn't somehow elevate mundane flying...they need to provide some more context and juxtaposition for the 'calmer' stuff amongst flying that really gives you a sense of excitement first.

Even if there are slow takeoffs and the like, there should be a palpable sense of power(which we've been witness to) behind it....like he's specifically holding back, or like an athlete coiling his springs for what's ahead. In SR, for example, it was just boring flying....a to b and what not.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Loving this, it makes sense that it should take some effort for Supes to actually launch himself into the air, just like the scene in the trailer where he's holding the tower, even if he is incredibly strong, it should take effort.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

yeah I have no problems with slow and light take-offs. Is Superman the kind of guy that's ok with leaving massive property damage via stress fractures in streets and buildings every time he leaves the ground?

I do think he can take off at different speeds, but I also think that has direct relation to his takeoff speed.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

If has never come more natural then super speed or strength. Superman doesn't come out of the womb flying and most of the time it is one of the final things he learns, if not the final.

I think just to see him effortlessly lift up off the ground is amazing looking...I love it

I understand what you mean....a powered forceful blastoff can be cool for certain times....but a light levitation and effortless flight is sense of wonderment, alieness, and awe.

exactly...it just absolutely love to see him lift off, hover for a last little goodbye with Lois and then effortlessly fly off at any speed he desires

I think he'll hover, but hover isn't flying. And I know I always hated in any live action take when Superman goes from standing on the ground to floating with zero effort. It looks fake. Sure, he has superpowers but physics still apply. All special effects fall apart when the artists don't take physics into account.

In the trailer, we see Superman build up to a big push and launch himself forward at Mach speed. I think if Superman is going to go from standing to floating, there should be somesort of effort on his part, even if he's just kicking off with the tips of his feet. Seeing him float around like he's on strings (spoiler alert, he probably is) just looks absolutely fake.

sorry but I disagree. To go from standing flat footed on the ground and just lifting off I think looks amazing. Now if he wants to haul ass then off course a nice launch like in the trailer looks fantastic!

Well, in the takeoff from the trailer we see part of what Snyder is saying. Anyway, the flying we have seen so far looks pretty good IMO.

oh no doubt and I love the take off from the trailer. I would imagine it's his first time taking off for flight. But he shouldn't have to do that every single time he flies

 

[tan-el]

I understand what you mean....a powered forceful blastoff can be cool for certain times....but a light levitation and effortless flight is sense of wonderment, alieness, and awe.

It does appear that he is hovering in one the scenes where he is facing the military

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I have a feeling he won't crack the ground in half every time he takes off. But like anything, this probably happens the first time because it's new to him and he has to learn to control it.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

It does appear that he is hovering in one the scenes where he is facing the military

yeah that's what it looks like to me....I really hope that he is hovering in front of the military

Yeah, I have a feeling he won't crack the ground in half every time he takes off. But like anything, this probably happens the first time because it's new to him and he has to learn to control it.

You're probably right. I got a feeling that the take off in the trailer is the first time he ever flies...but I still think it would be cool to see a teenage/young adult Clark flying outside of his suit

 

[Mikelus]

I think just to see him effortlessly lift up off the ground is amazing looking...I love it

Seeing some effort could be great too, is just a little more realistic and makes the character more relatable to the general audience.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh and you can bet that the REAL budget is much higher than 175-200. 500 million WW would be a major disappointment from the studios perspective. Don't feel like breaking down the economics of it, but a simple google search will illustrate why MoS needs to make 700m plus to be considered a success. 600 million would be like breaking even and would have a negative effect on all future DC projects.

I get you Rowsdower. cheers.

You are exaggerating. Star Trek was rumored to cost over 200mil instead of that 150mil the studio kept saying it cost and it didn't even hit 400mil worldwide and yet the studio was clamoring for a sequel. The only reason one didn't come out sooner is because Abrams was wishy washy about it and doing other things.

Now surely WB is expecting more than 400mil worldwide because Superman is more popular overseas than Star Trek. But that "it needs 700mil" thing is made up by you. It does not need 700mil to start a franchise. I say it needs to be far more well received than the last Superman movie first and foremost and yes with expensive 3D tickets and an expanded
overseas market they are probably looking for at least 550mil worldwide.

I hate to keep explaining the same thing over and over again but I'm sick of these posts saying that anything below record breaking numbers is a failure. Paramount didn't think that Trek making less than 400mil was a failure, Summit didn't think that Twilight making less than 400mil (before the re-releases) was a failure, Lions Gate didn't think that The Hunger Games making less than 700mil worldwide was a failure and Marvel did not think that Iron Man was a failure when it did f under 700mil worldwide or Thor or Captain America. The only
movie they considered a failure was Hulk. Granted MOS's budget is much bigger than Games and Twilight's but you get the idea.

If a studio expected every franchise starter to hit 700mil we would never get any sequels.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Seeing some effort could be great too, is just a little more realistic and makes the character more relatable to the general audience.

showing effort when taking off makes him easier for people to relate to?? How many flying humans do you know?

 

[KalMart]

showing effort when taking off makes him easier for people to relate to?? How many flying humans do you know?

Just as many that find taking off easy. t:

Really though, I think it's less about what sort of physical 'toll' or exertion it takes for Superman to fly as it is about the impact of the film and storyline....emphasizing his power and speed in flight, and later offset with more effortless levitation when need be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It does appear that he is hovering in one the scenes where he is facing the military

I think he is standing on the edge of Faora's shuttle.

 

[i_Cam]

Random but this is easily my favorite shot of the trailer. t:

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Just as many that find taking off easy. t:

ok now....he's Superman. Now if he wants to take off at an accelerated rate of speed then a forced take off is cool. But to just fly it should be forced

 

[X Knight]

I really hope they don't make it so that the suit grants him the power of flight.

I would love to see a scene where young Clark learns he can fly and is overcome with sheer joy and excitement. kind of like in the Animated Series.

 

[KalMart]

ok now....he's Superman. Now if he wants to take off at an accelerated rate of speed then a forced take off is cool. But to just fly it should be forced

Agreed....I expanded a bit more in my response after that. But...ff he's the first Superman in the story, there's no precedent to show that he should find flying easy, since it's still an ability completely foreign to normal humans unlike physical strength or running.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I really hope they don't make it so that the suit grants him the power of flight.

I would love to see a scene where young Clark learns he can fly and is overcome with sheer joy and excitement. kind of like in the Animated Series.

yes

 

[Travesty]

I really hope they don't make it so that the suit grants him the power of flight.

I would love to see a scene where young Clark learns he can fly and is overcome with sheer joy and excitement. kind of like in the Animated Series.

Yeah, that would be a huge bummer.

 

[KalMart]

I really hope they don't make it so that the suit grants him the power of flight.

I would love to see a scene where young Clark learns he can fly and is overcome with sheer joy and excitement. kind of like in the Animated Series.

"Peter Pan flew with children, Lois...in a fairy tale..."

t:

 

[ConnorKon-El]

You are exaggerating. Star Trek was rumored to cost over 200mil instead of that 150mil the studio kept saying it cost and it didn't even hit 400mil worldwide and yet the studio was clamoring for a sequel. The only reason one didn't come out sooner is because Abrams was wishy washy about it and doing other things.

Now surely WB is expecting more than 400mil worldwide because Superman is more popular overseas than Star Trek. But that "it needs 700mil" thing is made up by you. It does not need 700mil to start a franchise. I say it needs to be far more well received than the last Superman movie first and foremost and yes with expensive 3D tickets and an expanded
overseas market they are probably looking for at least 550mil worldwide.

I hate to keep explaining the same thing over and over again but I'm sick of these posts saying that anything below record breaking numbers is a failure. Paramount didn't think that Trek making less than 400mil was a failure, Summit didn't think that Twilight making less than 400mil (before the re-releases) was a failure, Lions Gate didn't think that The Hunger Games making less than 700mil worldwide was a failure and Marvel did not think that Iron Man was a failure when it did f under 700mil worldwide or Thor or Captain America. The only
movie they considered a failure was Hulk. Granted MOS's budget is much bigger than Games and Twilight's but you get the idea.

If a studio expected every franchise starter to hit 700mil we would never get any sequels.

DING DING DING. We got a person with common sense in here. Congrats