All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 52

[KalMart]

How about a blue and red pattern instead? That's more true to the traditional color scheme.

I actually kinda' like how the black breaks up the 'sea of blue' without the undies. Still an 'alternative' suit with the original being what I like better, but graphically more pleasing to me than that newer comic one.

 

[Bren]

Since Superman's leg muscles have nothing to do with his ability to fly, I think it unnecessary for him to bounce or push up to take off. Of course, a really big push can result in a faster take off (as a boost), but I agree with some where him simply floating up and then smoothly and gracefully accelerating away can and would be a great visual.

For any hovering he might do, I just pray it looks good and 'natural' and nothing like the "I'm being held up by my underpants" floating done by Magneto in X-Men First Class when he came out of the sub.

 

[Notrip]

There is a quick clip in the trailer of Clark jogging with his shirt off and the same type of pants he wears during the oil rig. So he might be on shore and see it/hear panic in the distance. and then flies over to rescue them. the Legend of a man who appears out of nowhere and does superhuman feats. could this be the first time we see him fly in the movie?

 

[Lead Cenobite]

It's possible. Or maybe he moves so fast that he's able to run on the water's surface.. or he super-swims?

 

[Rowsdower!]

He might leap really far too, like the Hulk.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Or like Superman. He did the super leaping thing before Hulk.

 

[superman2090]

I'm not sure how I feel about Snyder's comment concerning the "effort" it takes for Superman to fly. I'm hoping it doesn't mean that he can't hover or gently rise if he wishes. I'm assuming that's not going to be the case, but it does worry me a little.

 

[X Knight]

There is a quick clip in the trailer of Clark jogging with his shirt off and the same type of pants he wears during the oil rig. So he might be on shore and see it/hear panic in the distance. and then flies over to rescue them. the Legend of a man who appears out of nowhere and does superhuman feats. could this be the first time we see him fly in the movie?

that would be nice.

but just imagine if Clark went around saving people wearing nothing but red undies.

that would certainly leave a lasting impression on the people he rescues!

or, Clark is sleeping in his cabin, all shirtless and manly like, wakes up when he hears the explosion, rushes outside and thinks:

"Damn. Where's my supa suit!! WHERE'S MY SUPA SUIT!!"

t:

 

[KalMart]

Since Superman's leg muscles have nothing to do with his ability to fly, I think it unnecessary for him to bounce or push up to take off. Of course, a really big push can result in a faster take off (as a boost), but I agree with some where him simply floating up and then smoothly and gracefully accelerating away can and would be a great visual.

For any hovering he might do, I just pray it looks good and 'natural' and nothing like the "I'm being held up by my underpants" floating done by Magneto in X-Men First Class when he came out of the sub.

I think the energy and impact of a powerful, cannon-like takeoff is something that a modern Superman story is in dire need of stylistically....unless we're conceding it to Neo . Seriously, a new Superman movie has got to make flight (including the takeoff) big and thrilling and not just depend on it being Superman to somehow make slow stuff more 'meaningful' or what have you...which it can still do but after it's set the audience's hair on fire.

 

[Rogzilla]

Since Superman's leg muscles have nothing to do with his ability to fly, I think it unnecessary for him to bounce or push up to take off. Of course, a really big push can result in a faster take off (as a boost), but I agree with some where him simply floating up and then smoothly and gracefully accelerating away can and would be a great visual.

For any hovering he might do, I just pray it looks good and 'natural' and nothing like the "I'm being held up by my underpants" floating done by Magneto in X-Men First Class when he came out of the sub.

The legs are just an example but whoes to say that isn't how he flies? As there all that many flying men around, they can make up whatever rules they want, as long as they still work.

Let's say he is able to just exert force downward and float up that way. There would be other signs showing the force. Maybe his kicks up a little dirt. Or his cape would start floating up first, which would make sense as it would have much less mass than Superman.

The point is he still has to exert force in some way to overcome gravity or, if he can just turn off his own gravity, then to move at all.

 

[ElDuderino]

Don't we see a young Clark floating in the Comic-Con trailer? It's blurry, but I thought that's what we saw.

 

[ElDuderino]

I'm not sure how I feel about Snyder's comment concerning the "effort" it takes for Superman to fly. I'm hoping it doesn't mean that he can't hover or gently rise if he wishes. I'm assuming that's not going to be the case, but it does worry me a little.

I think he just means that he'll make some sort of grimace when he kicks it up into another gear. So that it looks like he's actually doing something.

 

[Bren]

I think the energy and impact of a powerful, cannon-like takeoff is something that a modern Superman story is in dire need of stylistically....unless we're conceding it to Neo . Seriously, a new Suoerman movie has got to make flight (including the takeoff) big and thrilling and not just depend on it being Superman to somehow make slow stuff more 'meaningful' or what have you...which it can still do but after it's set the audience's hair on fire.

I agree that stylistically it'll be cool to see Superman blast off powerfully.. And we know we're going to get that from the trailer. But imo he hopefully masters this new skill and therefore no longer becomes necessary for a regular take off.

In the trailer we see him in flight and then accelerate at an extreme rate - If he can accelerate mid-flight with no need of pushing, then he wouldn't need to to accelerate off the ground either.

Of course all imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There is a quick clip in the trailer of Clark jogging with his shirt off and the same type of pants he wears during the oil rig. So he might be on shore and see it/hear panic in the distance. and then flies over to rescue them. the Legend of a man who appears out of nowhere and does superhuman feats. could this be the first time we see him fly in the movie?

Pretty sure that is after. It is from the set of shots we have already seen, and his pants are all messed up. He loses his shirt in the fire I believe as well.

 

[KalMart]

I agree that stylistically it'll be cool to see Superman blast off powerfully.. And we know we're going to get that from the trailer. But imo he hopefully masters this new skill and therefore no longer becomes necessary for a regular take off.

In the trailer we see him in flight and then accelerate at an extreme rate - If he can accelerate mid-flight with no need of pushing, then he wouldn't need to to accelerate off the ground either.

Of course all imo.

Depends on the situation, obviously, but my biggest concern is that the story doesn't get too caught up in his being Superman and all that entails outside of the movie that it relies on that fact bringing a sense of wonder...it's got to be earned within that story and have impact, even in being subtle, to what's going on up on the screen. Otherwise, it's just slow flying, regardless of who's doing it.

 

[Bren]

I'm hoping we get this slowish, majestic awe-inspiring slow take off. Because I'm already getting the awesome powerful explosive take-off I also want

 

[Kevin Smith]

I do like the powerful, forceful take off, but he should be able to to it effortless and with ease at times. He shouldn't always have to do a big dramatic charge up EVERY time he wants to fly. It will just seem silly in some scenes, and uncalled for, IMO.

 

[Kevin Smith]

The thing I do like about the "charge up" takeoff is that it does somewhat remind me of the Fleischer animation Superman take off. To this day (and I haven't seen MOS yet), those are the best Superman takeoffs to date, you really feel the power and like he's going somewhere when he presses down and is just sort of pulled away from the ground. Definitely reminds me of what we have seen of MOS but maybe a little less extreme. If they have found a way to capture that for live action, then perfect.

 

[Isearch4dope]

The Black Zero is Clark's kryptonite. Faora was aiding Lois in putting on a breathing apparatus so that they can adjust the ship's atmosphere to that of Krypton which will make Clark and themselves normal but remember they are bred warriors thus giving them major advantage. Clark will think that Lois only needs the apparatus to breathe on the ship. I'm assuming superman is more powerful than Zod and Co. due to his sun exposure time so Zod will trick him into thinking he only wants to negotiate to get him aboard Black Zero so they can kryptonize him and kick his ***. I think someone also said that at some point Clark will be imprisoned in Black Zero. Obviously they can't capture a powerful superman and get him out of the way (Zod isn't pure evil and doesn't hate him but only wants him to be patriotic so he won't kill him) so I think this is how they'll do it. If you look at a scene in trailer 2 where superman false to his knees and spits (kryptonian) blood with Zod and Faora around him they are actually on the Black Zero and this is the only way they can match him which is in pure kryptonian form or maybe the Black Zero has the ability to block the sun completely.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think the Fleischer physics are still the best physics yet. MOS might change that.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I do like the powerful, forceful take off, but he should be able to to it effortless and with ease at times. He shouldn't always have to do a big dramatic charge up EVERY time he wants to fly. It will just seem silly in some scenes, and uncalled for, IMO.

This. He can't maneuver as well if it takes him that long to take off all of the time.

 

[dark_b]

Seeing some effort could be great too, is just a little more realistic and makes the character more relatable to the general audience.

NOOOOLAN

this is all your fault. look what you did to those nice fanboys. now superman flying needs to be realistic? thats how far we came in 2013?

superman needs to be able to hover. end of story and discussion.

i hate the word realistic on SHH. i haaaaaaaaate it. because he is producing i now have to read ''realistic'' every week.


and about my post

 

[KalMart]

I'm hoping we get this slowish, majestic awe-inspiring slow take off. Because I'm already getting the awesome powerful explosive take-off I also want

As long as the character has earned some awe in the story itself.

Which I think is a particular test for a new Superman story because one would expect to see flying and maybe find it less impressive in concept with him since we already know that's what he does, as opposed to a 'newer' character.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I get where Zakk is coming from. Flying should take effort, just like any form of movement takes effort. We can walk, we can run, both use feet but different amounts of effort. You can lightly dance across a room or you can sprint. In the pool you can tread water and move gently or you can freestyle and cut through the water at high speed. Different amounts of effort doing the same activity.

He can float gently in the air, or he can fly really fast and it does take effort comparability to just floating there. Remember, it's not something he did naturally, he had to learn, figure out and put work into it.

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

You are exaggerating. Star Trek was rumored to cost over 200mil instead of that 150mil the studio kept saying it cost and it didn't even hit 400mil worldwide and yet the studio was clamoring for a sequel. The only reason one didn't come out sooner is because Abrams was wishy washy about it and doing other things.

Now surely WB is expecting more than 400mil worldwide because Superman is more popular overseas than Star Trek. But that "it needs 700mil" thing is made up by you. It does not need 700mil to start a franchise. I say it needs to be far more well received than the last Superman movie first and foremost and yes with expensive 3D tickets and an expanded
overseas market they are probably looking for at least 550mil worldwide.

I hate to keep explaining the same thing over and over again but I'm sick of these posts saying that anything below record breaking numbers is a failure. Paramount didn't think that Trek making less than 400mil was a failure, Summit didn't think that Twilight making less than 400mil (before the re-releases) was a failure, Lions Gate didn't think that The Hunger Games making less than 700mil worldwide was a failure and Marvel did not think that Iron Man was a failure when it did f under 700mil worldwide or Thor or Captain America. The only
movie they considered a failure was Hulk. Granted MOS's budget is much bigger than Games and Twilight's but you get the idea.

If a studio expected every franchise starter to hit 700mil we would never get any sequels.

Exactly, I SEE SPIDEY.
By that logic (if we're using the real budget), IM2 would've been a ''failure'' (real budget over 200M and BO barely over 600M), for example.