All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 67

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's also interesting because for some movies, it's really obvious when they're taking all the trailer money shots from one main action setpiece. But there does seem to be a lot of locales for all the **** that's going down, which definitely makes it seem like it's gonna be wall-to-wall action the whole time!

And yet I hope they drag it out like Begins, exploring Clark's upbringing and how he thinks, so when the ACTION arrives, we have a reason to care. I would rather wait half the movie to see Clark don the costume, than have a rushed origin.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Exactly! I don't understand how people can want DC to essentially copy Marvel. Isn't DC supposed to be the innovators? They gave us the first superhero the The first Superhero movie. Now people want them to copy Avengers and not even do it well. How about DC get their act together first, the only thing they had going for them in the last Decade was Batman; how about they try to make a good film not staring Batman first.

Dam straight couldn't agree more besides even a rushed Jl movie would be a case if seen that done that by the time it's released because Avengers 2 might have hit by then and the novelty of seeing a bunch of heroes on screen together would have worn thin so Avengers success isn't guaranteed. The studio should concentrate on putting out solo quality movies and then slowly feed the audience the idea of a joint universe.

 

[DKDetective]

And yet I hope they drag it out like Begins, exploring Clark's upbringing and how he thinks, so when the ACTION arrives, we have a reason to care. I would rather wait half the movie to see Clark don the costume, than have a rushed origin.

Agreed, I also think they have the best of both worlds here because Clark has always been super. They can have action beats involving his origin and development like the bus crash, the tornado, and the oil rig without him having to be Superman and wear the suit. However, I do worry a little that there will be too much action and not enough story sometimes. But that is just my personal tastes. I was so insanely bored by The Avengers' climax. I prefer shorter, more tightly constructed action that serves the story than pure spectacle. I thought Batman Begins and The Dark Knight had just the right amount of action, so I am a little fearful when they keep saying this film will have way more action than The Dark Knight films.

 

[Glassjaw]

And yet I hope they drag it out like Begins, exploring Clark's upbringing and how he thinks, so when the ACTION arrives, we have a reason to care. I would rather wait half the movie to see Clark don the costume, than have a rushed origin.

Heck YES to this. I remember saying this in one of my first posts here. For every minute we spend with Clark or his family before he becomes Superman, the bigger the build up, the better the build up. It works in Batman Begins, it works in Superman: The Movie. By keeping you waiting, by the time you know he is about to appear, you'll be on the edge of your seat, welling up at the eyes, an emotional wreck.

And for those who are worried no Superman = no action, we have Superman in all but name saving a school bus, oil rig etc to build up to the reveal.

 

[Glassjaw]

I get so excited just typing and imagining stuff like that, this film is going to be playing with my emotions for a full 148mins lol

 

[Kalonthar]

32, but I appreciate you carding me; I don't get it enough nowadays

It's not always sunshine and roses. At 27 I was recently carded... while buying tickets to an r-rated movie...

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Heck YES to this. I remember saying this in one of my first posts here. For every minute we spend with Clark or his family before he becomes Superman, the bigger the build up, the better the build up. It works in Batman Begins, it works in Superman: The Movie. By keeping you waiting, by the time you know he is about to appear, you'll be on the edge of your seat, welling up at the eyes, an emotional wreck.

And for those who are worried no Superman = no action, we have Superman in all but name saving a school bus, oil rig etc to build up to the reveal.

Also, I would mention Iron Man. When he first builds his modern outfit and takes it for a test drive, you can feel that sense of fun and exhilaration.

But yes. Most superhero origins shift from character development to plot and action. Superman:TM, Batman Begins, Spider-Man, Captain America, etc.

I don't think MOS will be different in this regard. However, the action will be TRULY superheroic, but with a special care to hypothetical real-world physics and Snyder overseeing the amount of striking imagery and style he can manage. I think it'll kind of be like Titanic in the sense that many directors could have brought to life the more subtle elements of the story, but only a strongly gifted technical director would have been able to portray the sense of intensity and scale in that movie.

I'm not gonna say that Zack Snyder's the James Cameron of superhero films, exactly, but if MOS rocks, it's because of his vision and Goyer writing a surprisingly quality screenplay. And Nolan's influence doesn't hurt.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I re-watched Sucker-punch recently...god it was even worst. Now Snyder has a flair for the visual there i'll give him that and that should prove valuable for MOS but the story was a confused mess not sure what it wanted to be.

I'm hoping Nolan, the writers and others maybe reigned in snyder somewhat with regards to the film. I think he has some good stuff but left to his own design entirely might not be the best thing.

 

[Project862006]

sucker punch is a very misunderstood film a film a lot of people didn't get slash film did a brilliant piece on this

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That and it sucks.

 

[smsvmos]

Well I just finished another one t: So far I have the scenes from Krypton, Clark's early years, Clark's Journey an Smallville Battle . I will work later on the Metropolis battle.

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Krypton:
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Clark's Early years:
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Clark's Jorney:
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Smallville Battle:
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Also for those who have not seen my music video (Man of Steel: Alone)
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[Tanin]

While I like Sucker Punch it is his weakest film. I blame his wife for that

 

[robot]

As for Superman I think that they have been mostly doing a great job of marketing it as the reboot people were expecting 7 years ago. Even though Cavill is hot as hell I'm still unsure of how many women they are going to attract, it's always hard to know.

Unless the movie has a great love story going on, with 'action scenes' thrown into the mix, like Titanic, and Avatar, it's hard to attract both sexes. Many times, directors either go one way or another.. for example, Twilight goes the 'romance' way, and men in general avoid it, unless dragged there by their gfs.. and movies like Transformers, etc, goes the 'full on testosterone', etc...

It takes a genius to lap the both like, James Cameron for instance...

I really doubt Snyder can pull off the 'great love story' part, and still manages to sneak in all the action...

One way I could think of doing this MOS and include the 'great love story', is to have the entire 'Journey of Clarke' before he became superman a cat and mouse game with Lois... they bump into each other, but Lois never catching on,... until of course when he reveals himself as superman, and then the 'action sequences starts'... In order to pull this off and not be too shallow, it needs to be a 3 hour movie...

I mean most people (I expected a big female audience for it) would be shocked to hear that 49% of Fast 6's audience was female on it's opening weekend.

Women are attracted to speed... haha...

 

[Bruce Malone]

sucker punch is a very misunderstood film a film a lot of people didn't get slash film did a brilliant piece on this

It's just not good, it's not put together well at all. That has nothing to do with "understanding it". I fully understood what he was trying to do but i feel he failed at it from a pure film-making stand-point.

I just hope he was kept "in check" somewhat for MOS, as opposed to SP where he pretty much had free reign. I don't think snyders a hack or anything just that he could probably use some supervision.

 

[Project862006]

yeah i agree it is his weakest film and i didn't love it or anything but their were deeper meanings if you actually really think about what he put on the screen

for instance baby doll is not the lead in the movie

 

[Vagosnati]

Is anyone else going to see both 2d and 3d version,in the same day like me?

 

[Project862006]

anyways back to man of steel lets not derail this with sucker punch talk

 

[robot]

Which also has me curious. It's obviously going to be epic but I wonder how we get from a train station to destroying metropolis to fighting a ship. It seems EPIC and makes me wonder what order everything goes in and how bad exactly it gets.

To add I guess I would even say that I wonder how much affect the military has. They seem to be present in Smallville but at the same time if the destruction we've seen in Metropolis can happen, can the military do that much to help in it not be that catastrophic in Smallville?

Or will it be equally as destructive.

So basically, BLAHA;LKJSDFIO;JAWE;FJIAWE;OFIJ

I don't think it'll be 'epic'.. but lots of action for sure... one on one fights are never epic IMO...

Lord of the Rings, with the battle scenes of tens of thousands, and the build up, with smaller battles to larger ones, to even larger ones,... and the tension of the build up.. now, that's epic... i don't think i have seen another movie i consider 'epic'...

Epic has to have that 'HUGE' sense to it...

I don't think any super-hero movies with single villians can ever be epic.. just look at Avengers.. you got tons of things going on, but when you break it down, it's just a repeat of 'this guy fights that guy'... not epic..

It'll be great if they could do a space opera involving the Justice League... an epic battle that's taking place in the galaxy, and inching closer to our solar system... billions of aliens (different races, different technolgies), all setting up to fight each other.... scenes with millions of ships, entire planets destroyed, etc, etc.. and make it a trilogy (each movie 3 hours long), and you have ONE epic Super Hero movie...

 

[Tanin]

It's just not good, it's not put together well at all. That has nothing to do with "understanding it". I fully understood what he was trying to do but i feel he failed at it from a pure film-making stand-point.

I just hope he was kept "in check" somewhat for MOS, as opposed to SP where he pretty much had free reign. I don't think snyders a hack or anything just that he could probably use some supervision.

You act like Sucker Punch is his only film..... he has done an excellent job with every other property he has been given. Sucker Punch's problem is with the writing. Snyder did not write Man of Steel from scratch like he supposedly did with Sucker Punch so I have no qualms with him making the film.

 

[Bruce Malone]

yeah i agree it is his weakest film and i didn't love it or anything but their were deeper meanings if you actually really think about what he put on the screen

for instance baby doll is not the lead in the movie

Yeah i don't want to derail the thread but i thought it was relevant with regards to snyder's directorial skills.

As for your last comment who was the real lead then in your view? Sweet pea? I've actually heard from some that al or most of the female characters were just manifestations in baby dolls mind?

 

[Bruce Malone]

You act like Sucker Punch is his only film..... he has done an excellent job with every other property he has been given. Sucker Punch's problem is with the writing. Snyder did not write Man of Steel from scratch like he supposedly did with Sucker Punch so I have no qualms with him making the film.

No it wasn't his only film but it was his last and the one i feel he was granted the greatest control over. After the success of 300 WB pretty much granted him that.

I'm actually a pretty big fan of dawn of the dead by him. I have high hopes for Snyder in MOS, it's just that re-watching SP reminded me of some of his flaws. His work is more hit or miss imo than excellent overall.

 

[DKDetective]

You act like Sucker Punch is his only film..... he has done an excellent job with every other property he has been given. Sucker Punch's problem is with the writing. Snyder did not write Man of Steel from scratch like he supposedly did with Sucker Punch so I have no qualms with him making the film.

Really? Most people I know see 300 as an over-the-top, ridiculous parody, a so bad it's good sort of movie and response to Watchmen seemed pretty pretty mixed. So I don't think this is the case of someone with a solid filmography and one dud.

 

[Project862006]

No it wasn't his only film but it was his last and the one i feel he was granted the greatest control over. After the success of 300 WB pretty much granted him that.

I'm actually a pretty big fan of dawn of the dead by him. I have high hopes for Snyder in MOS, it's just that re-watching SP reminded me of some of his flaws. His work is more hit or miss imo than excellent overall.

yes the story is actually about sweet pea slash film chimed in on this in a long article

Spoiler

The movie is really about Sweet Pea.
Everything that happens in the film is a reflection of the internal struggle of Sweet Pea, the catalyst for which is her being lobotomized.
And for the sake of clarity, Zack Snyder was even kind enough to throw this kid into the mix. He first appears during the wartime fantasy scenario, and then again getting on the bus. Sweet Pea takes note of him both times, for no other reason than to tell you that NONE OF THIS IS REAL.
Baby Doll, meanwhile, is the physical embodiment of Sweet Pea — a sad, pouty-lipped object of men’s affections and desires. She’s the “guardian angel” that Sweet Pea conjures up to deal with having a really **** life. That’s why she’s narrating the film instead of Baby Doll.

So all that stuff we see with Baby Doll during the first act of the film — that’s Sweet Pea acting out her past trauma in her mind, just as she was taught to do in the mental institution.
This is also why the film opens on a stage — a direct parallel to how Sweet Pea is acting out that same trauma on a stage when Baby Doll first arrives.
Then comes the lobotomy, which is the key to everything that happens in the film.
Reimagined through Baby Doll, Sweet Pea disassociates from reality just as that needle plunges into her brain, retreating into her mind in the same way she’s taught to by Dr. Gorski.
This is also what happened in Sweet Pea’s real life, and the effect of that lobotomy is… the movie.
Yep, Sucker Punch is the result of a lobotomy — just one big, weird subconscious coping mechanism for a girl to find peace in spite of the tragedy that’s befallen her.
This time around though, Sweet Pea is able to interrupt the lobotomy, intruding on her own story. She’s even able to repurpose the accidental killing of her sister into a deliberate and necessary sacrifice on her sister’s part to save her.
And here’s where things get meta.
In this second layer of fantasy, Sweet Pea imagines herself and the rest of the girls working in a brothel, objectified and lusted after by an audience in the most overt manner possible.
This mirrors us — the actual audience — tuning in to see these girls perform for us in skimpy school girl outfits and tight leather and other assorted smutty get-ups.
This connection is made clear from the film’s very first scene, which lets us know that we’re the audience watching all this unfold on stage. By choosing to watch the movie, we are complicit in everything that’s happening.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I still think Watchmen has the best performances of a non-Nolan CBM. JEH is a beast.

 

[robot]

Really? Most people I know see 300 as an over-the-top, ridiculous parody, a so bad it's good sort of movie and response to Watchmen seemed pretty pretty mixed. So I don't think this is the case of someone with a solid filmography and one dud.

WHAT???? May I know where you got the "most people' part...

In fact, everyone I know absolutely loved 300, both men/women... I have yet to find someone who didn't... you are the first, actually...

It's definitely one of my favorites.. and it'll be a classic for sure... IMO