All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 67

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All over the net, I see many people writing excuses not to go and see MOS like --

* Why are they making another Superman movie ? I would rather see them make some other DC superhero movie, Superman is a boyscout and he is boring, as he is just too powerful, not relateable.

* I don't trust trailers, they have fooled me in past, I would rather wait for DVD.

* I don't think that MOS will be great as the writer of Ghost Rider and Blade 3 has written it, I don't like Snyder as Director either, his last three movies have bombed and I hate Nolan, he is pretentious filmmaker who makes dark movies, not right for Superman.

* I am a Marvel fan, always have been, nothing WB/DC does is interesting to me as they don't know how to make a good comic book movie

* Superman Returns was so bad that I have decided not to watch another Superman movie in theater, not giving away my money this time.

* I saw Smallville and hated it, Superman is not my fav. hero.

How to convince such people ?
you cant. whats funny is these same people will be the ones going " OMZODZ" when they see it, bragging on how they have always been a superman fan etc etc.
 
or it could have the same effect Avengers had. WB doesnt have to do this just like Marvel and could use JL to build up momentum for solo projects. Look at the boost The Hulk got from Avengers...now imagine a JL movie comes out and Wonder Woman steals the show...like the Hulk did...WW now has momentum going into her solo film.

It's an interesting prospect(banking on the film itself being a hit).

I think one major draw back is that without the solo's such an event film can't perform as Avengers did. Let's face it, Avengers would have only made so much money had it been released in 2007 or even 2005 or even just after IM1.

And with that and the fact that WB want's to release it so close to Avengers(the same year supposedly), it would be seen as a relative failure. Obviously this approach means more films get to perfrom post boost, but does superman and this quality a film really need it. I would hope it would hit top 5 WW BO to save face.

also, WB's major problem is keeping their budget's in check. They need to work on that.
 
I think Shannon's going to deliver the best villain portrayal in a comic book film since Heath Ledger. Just seeing the snippets of his Zod in the tv spots and trailers has me convinced of this. And I didn't notice until the "Fate of the World" trailer that Zod had gray in his hair. That's a nice touch.

Given the director and writer, I wouldn't put it past these three to turn out something memorable from Zod.

But will it be more memorable than Stamp.
 
New haircut for Shannon :

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I could not resist.

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I could not resist.

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Honestly, that almost works - that could literally be a convincing, androgynous evil Kryptonian scientist villain with a few minor changes.
 
Yeah I agree, he looks so menacing, think he's gonna probably steal the movie

What really grabbed me about the last spot was the dialogue. Zod sounded so menacing and frightfully justified in his actions.

Given the director and writer, I wouldn't put it past these three to turn out something memorable from Zod.

But will it be more memorable than Stamp.

Very likely, and I liked Stamp's Zod.
 
I think marketing was also a big reason why STID is underperforming. MOS seems to be getting great marketing so far. That, and I think Superman has way more reach than Star Trek.

STID's underperformance can't be rationally explained, there is no true explanation, the marketing was very solid, the trailers were well received. If we're looking for answers, there is maybe the 4 year gap from the last one, maybe people didnt have as much interest, maybe the novelty effect faded away, but it's still going to hit 200 M + domestic, which is still good, even if disappointing.

Overseas is another story, it's on track for 200 M +, not much more, ST 09 did a dismal 126 M overseas, because ST has never been popular overseas, they made efforts to focus on the action aspect with explosions, mass destruction, the jump is still pretty big, but ST will never reach huge numbers worldwide because of this.


Man Of Steel has impeccable marketing, they are just doing everything they can to remove the bitter taste of Superman Returns. Notice how they built up the whole thing, a first teaser catching your attention, "what is this movie?", then the second beautiful trailer teasing some bits, but mostly showing the atmosphere and human aspect of it, and then the third trailer establishing the epic feel of it and just showing you right away that this buries all SH movies.

THEN, the fourth trailer showcasing all the action, and this onslaught of TV spots all showing tiny glimpses of the amazing action there is in the movie.


SR is deemed boring by many, and now, they are showing action all the time, to make sure that you see how it already trumps SR in just a couple of seconds of footage.

MOS is tracking currently btw 100 and 125 million OW domestic, it should explode overseas too. The buzz is just incredibly high, this will be THE event movie of the summer (although Pac Rim is not far :hrt: ), the movie that everyone is going to see.

Seeing all the footage we've had + the few reactions + the buzz from WB execs (who would shut their mouth if the movie sucked), we're probably getting an incredible movie, and WOM should be pretty high.
 
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STID's underperformance can't be rationally explained, there is no true explanation, the marketing was very solid, the trailers were well received. If we're looking for answers, there is maybe the 4 year gap from the last one, maybe people didnt have as much interest, maybe the novelty effect faded away, but it's still going to hit 200 M + domestic, which is still good, even if disappointing.

Overseas is another story, it's on track for 200 M +, not much more, ST 09 did a dismal 126 M overseas, because ST has never been popular overseas, they made efforts to focus on the action aspect with explosions, mass destruction, the jump is still pretty big, but ST will never reach huge numbers worldwide because of this.


Man Of Steel has impeccable marketing, they are just doing everything they can to remove the bitter taste of Superman Returns. Notice how they built up the whole thing, a first teaser catching your attention, "what is this movie?", then the second beautiful trailer teasing some bits, but mostly showing the atmosphere and human aspect of it, and then the third trailer establishing the epic feel of it and just showing you right away that this buries all SH movies.

THEN, the fourth trailer showcasing all the action, and this onslaught of TV spots all showing tiny glimpses of the amazing action there is in the movie.


SR is deemed boring by many, and now, they are showing action all the time, to make sure that you see how it already trumps SR in just a couple of seconds of footage.

MOS is tracking currently btw 100 and 125 million OW domestic, it should explode overseas too. The buzz is just incredibly high, this will be THE event movie of the summer (although Pac Rim is not far :hrt: ), the movie that everyone is going to see.

Seeing all the footage we've had + the few reactions + the buzz from WB execs (who would shut their mouth if the movie sucked), we're probably getting an incredible movie, and WOM should be pretty high.

Cumberbatch also contributed.
 
I agree. When someone is successful, you see a lot of people trying to not give credits where it's due... Cameron has the magic.. he knows the human psychii... he can tell a simple story in a simple way, yet have great impact on the general audience... Titanic was done to death, until he retold it as a love story of all time... He also brings out the best in the actors.. (see arnold in t2, leo in titanic, etc)...

And he takes the time to get every detail right.. it's the small things that makes a movie belieable or not.....

A lot of people says his scripts are too simple, well,.. i say, simple is hard to do... complicated is easy... sometimes the simplest things are hardest...

Haha, not sure what you are agreeing with... I made it pretty clear that I thought Cameron had lost his creative edge in the last 20 years and that Titanic and Avatar are mediocre films (despite being technically groundbreaking) that surprised me in being so successful. So I'm very one of those folks who you beilieve is not giving credit when it is due. Lol

However, I agree with everything you are saying when it comes to the James Cameron who made the Terminator films and Aliens. The self-sacrifice of the T-800 is pure movie magic.
 
or it could have the same effect Avengers had. WB doesnt have to do this just like Marvel and could use JL to build up momentum for solo projects. Look at the boost The Hulk got from Avengers...now imagine a JL movie comes out and Wonder Woman steals the show...like the Hulk did...WW now has momentum going into her solo film.

I know this.Heres my main worry-That they create versions of the heroes which are great in the movie but difficult to create a successful spinoff from.

For example the WW in new 52 Justice league is great for the story-howver if they actually had to spinoff that version into a solo it wld fail so hard.
 
i think wom should be excellent, so even if it doesnt open to say 115 mill, it should be fine.
 
Has anyone considered remaking the comic-con trailer? I'm pretty sure all that footage has been in each of the tv spots.
 
STID's underperformance can't be rationally explained, there is no true explanation, the marketing was very solid, the trailers were well received. If we're looking for answers, there is maybe the 4 year gap from the last one, maybe people didnt have as much interest, maybe the novelty effect faded away, but it's still going to hit 200 M + domestic, which is still good, even if disappointing.

Overseas is another story, it's on track for 200 M +, not much more, ST 09 did a dismal 126 M overseas, because ST has never been popular overseas, they made efforts to focus on the action aspect with explosions, mass destruction, the jump is still pretty big, but ST will never reach huge numbers worldwide because of this.


Man Of Steel has impeccable marketing, they are just doing everything they can to remove the bitter taste of Superman Returns. Notice how they built up the whole thing, a first teaser catching your attention, "what is this movie?", then the second beautiful trailer teasing some bits, but mostly showing the atmosphere and human aspect of it, and then the third trailer establishing the epic feel of it and just showing you right away that this buries all SH movies.

THEN, the fourth trailer showcasing all the action, and this onslaught of TV spots all showing tiny glimpses of the amazing action there is in the movie.


SR is deemed boring by many, and now, they are showing action all the time, to make sure that you see how it already trumps SR in just a couple of seconds of footage.

MOS is tracking currently btw 100 and 125 million OW domestic, it should explode overseas too. The buzz is just incredibly high, this will be THE event movie of the summer (although Pac Rim is not far :hrt: ), the movie that everyone is going to see.

Seeing all the footage we've had + the few reactions + the buzz from WB execs (who would shut their mouth if the movie sucked), we're probably getting an incredible movie, and WOM should be pretty high.

I really don't think you can say that the marketing is impeccable. I actually know quite a few people who loved Star Trek 09 but found that the generic, darker sequel marketing of STID left them cold and with no desire to see the film and have yet to see the movie and will probably wait to catch it on home video. I think the mystery box approach crippled the film's marketing. If they were going to
reinterprete an iconic Trek villain, they should have sold the movie as doing that openly. TDK was sold on its reinterpretation of the Joker
 
STID's underperformance can't be rationally explained, there is no true explanation, the marketing was very solid, the trailers were well received. If we're looking for answers, there is maybe the 4 year gap from the last one, maybe people didnt have as much interest, maybe the novelty effect faded away, but it's still going to hit 200 M + domestic, which is still good, even if disappointing.

Overseas is another story, it's on track for 200 M +, not much more, ST 09 did a dismal 126 M overseas, because ST has never been popular overseas, they made efforts to focus on the action aspect with explosions, mass destruction, the jump is still pretty big, but ST will never reach huge numbers worldwide because of this.


Man Of Steel has impeccable marketing, they are just doing everything they can to remove the bitter taste of Superman Returns. Notice how they built up the whole thing, a first teaser catching your attention, "what is this movie?", then the second beautiful trailer teasing some bits, but mostly showing the atmosphere and human aspect of it, and then the third trailer establishing the epic feel of it and just showing you right away that this buries all SH movies.

THEN, the fourth trailer showcasing all the action, and this onslaught of TV spots all showing tiny glimpses of the amazing action there is in the movie.


SR is deemed boring by many, and now, they are showing action all the time, to make sure that you see how it already trumps SR in just a couple of seconds of footage.

MOS is tracking currently btw 100 and 125 million OW domestic, it should explode overseas too. The buzz is just incredibly high, this will be THE event movie of the summer (although Pac Rim is not far :hrt: ), the movie that everyone is going to see.

Seeing all the footage we've had + the few reactions + the buzz from WB execs (who would shut their mouth if the movie sucked), we're probably getting an incredible movie, and WOM should be pretty high.

I don't think the marketing for STID was that solid, but I agree with everything else you said about MOS and SR. :up:
 
Haha, not sure what you are agreeing with... I made it pretty clear that I thought Cameron had lost his creative edge in the last 20 years and that Titanic and Avatar are mediocre films (despite being technically groundbreaking) that surprised me in being so successful. So I'm very one of those folks who you beilieve is not giving credit when it is due. Lol

However, I agree with everything you are saying when it comes to the James Cameron who made the Terminator films and Aliens. The self-sacrifice of the T-800 is pure movie magic.

Oh, ok, hehe.. read you wrong then.. but, heck, to me, he's brilliant... I see something in avatar and titanic that i guess most people saw too... but couldn't define...
 
I said the marketing was very solid for STID, impeccable is for MOS.

Cumberbatch helped in UK, but dont fool yourself Maooz, he is little known worldwide and I'm a huge fan of his, this will probably change, well first when the movie is out everywhere (because it has yet to open in tons of countries) and when The Hobbit movies come out.
 
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Looks like set visits will be released this week!


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