All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 70

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Love how Goyer stated that Nolan was on set several times per week and that he was "killing" himself between mos and tdkr .... Nolan was heavily involved regardless of what some might want to think

Darth and I had fun making light of those "Nolan did nothing!" cries. It's not taking anything away from Snyder to say that Nolan was involved. Even if it is somehow taking something away from Snyder, it's the truth. Nolan was not an in name only producer.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think anyone expected Nolan to have done nothing, but the fact that he did all the usual duties of a director is impressive.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Darth and I had fun making light of those "Nolan did nothing!" cries. It's not taking anything away from Snyder to say that Nolan was involved. Even if it is somehow taking something away from Snyder, it's the truth. Nolan was not an in name only producer.

Yep, The Nolans were instrumental in certain areas of MOS. No Anti-Nolanite can cite otherwise now.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I don't think anyone expected Nolan to have done nothing, but the fact that he did all the usual duties of a director is impressive.

Huh?

 

[DvilDog]

Could someone provide a quick summary of why people are so against Nolan?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think anyone expected Nolan to have done nothing, but the fact that he did all the usual duties of a director is impressive.

Eh, I think Snyder directed the film but it was obvious from the get-go that it's not his "baby" per se.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Huh?

I think he means on TDKR....?

 

[Mikelus]

GOYER: He has an enormous amount of conflict that he has to deal with in this movie both on a moral, personal level and on a physical level. But, he’s also given a couple of choices in this movie that are terrible, terrible choices where either decision he makes, a lot of people are going to get hurt. So, one part of the fun and the challenge for us in this movie was for a guy that can supposedly do anything, can you put him in a situation where there may not necessarily be a right answer? Or, where even somebody who can do anything maybe can’t do everything?

http://collider.com/david-s-goyer-man-of-steel-interview

That's one of the most interesting bits from all the interviews. Wondering which tough choices Clark will have to make (besides being Superman of course). Movies that have their main character facing impossible situations are usually some of the best.

 

[STARMAN]

These arguments get so extreme. Either Nolan had no involvement or he was on set five times a week directing the film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

These arguments get so extreme. Either Nolan had no involvement or he was on set five times a week directing the film.

I know I didn't expect to see implications that Nolan physically directed the film.

 

[Autonet]

These arguments get so extreme. Either Nolan had no involvement or he was on set five times a week directing the film.

Synder directed it and had the most control, pretty much the end of it for me.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Could someone provide a quick summary of why people are so against Nolan?

I think it's more of the "backlash" towards his fans or "Nolanites", the people who profess to be "Batman, Superman, comic, etc "fans" who are bigger devotees of Nolan than they are Batman, Superman, the source material, etc, who want to have a say in how the CBMs are done apply the formula "Nolan > EVERYTHING" all the time, no matter what. The people that don't believe there are any good ideas in the comics and think that everything in the comics needs to be like Nolan films. Take that and combine it with how pretentious Nolan can come off sometimes in interviews and that's where the "people against Nolan" thing comes from, IMO.

I just think a good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from, sometimes it's Nolan, sometimes it isn't, no one is capable of the one thing ALL of the time. I'm not a fan of the "Nolan way all the time no matter what" people. Becomes very closed minded, IMO.

 

[Mysteryman]

Do I beleive Nolan was an active producer ?
Yes.
Do I beleive that Zack Snyder was just the Visual Effects guy on MOS?
No.

 

[Shikamaru]

Could someone provide a quick summary of why people are so against Nolan?

I'm not against Nolan or Nolan being given some of the credit. However, I hate when I see people giving more credit to Nolan than Snyder. I often see comments around the internet with people saying things similar "Nolan has created another masterpiece!" or "In Nolan we trust that this movie will succeed!" Regardless of how much involvement Nolan had, there is no way he did more work than Snyder.

Also, while I'm not against the amount of involvement Nolan has in MOS when it comes to the quality of the film itself, I do sometimes wish he had no involvement at all whenever I go on message boards like these. There are many people that try to claim that Nolan's involvement with MOS is evidence of TDKT and MOS taking place in the same universe or that a Batman reboot with no Nolan involvement whatsoever will automatically not fit in the same universe as MOS as well as TDKT would due to this.

Basically, it is more of a backlash towards the Nolanites than Nolan himself, as Kevin Smith said.

 

[Mikelus]

Christopher Nolan kept in touch with Goyer and everyone even while he was shooting The Dark Knight Rises. He would call Goyer sometimes a couple of times a week to be involved in the Man of Steel process.

http://collider.com/man-of-steel-set-visit

Nolan was involved like many producers do, nothing extraordinary.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think it's more of the "backlash" towards his fans or "Nolanites", the people who are bigger devotees of Nolan than they are Batman, Superman, the source material, etc, who want to have a say in how the CBMs are done apply the formula "Nolan > EVERYTHING" all the time, no matter what. The people that don't believe there are any good ideas in the comics and think that everything in the comics needs to be like Nolan films. Take that and combine it with how pretentious Nolan can come off sometimes in interviews and that's where the "people against Nolan" thing comes from, IMO.

I just think a good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from, sometimes it's Nolan, sometimes it isn't, no one is capable of the one thing ALL of the time. I'm not a fan of the "Nolan way all the time no matter what" people. Becomes very closed minded, IMO.

You about summed up my feelings. Except I'm not going to deny Nolan and Goyer's role in MOS and I don't see why anyone would want to? The movie looks amazing.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I am so confused... I read something that said he would call Goyer a couple of times a week... did I miss the part where it was said he was actually on set doing director stuff?

I thought Cavill hadn't even met him?

 

[747]

Goyer and Nolan laid out the whole story with all it's beats. Goyer wrote the script. Both Nolan and Goyer was on set sporadically, overlooking the progress. Snyder directed the movie.

It's not so either/or as some make it out to be. Some say Nolan had no influence at all on this movie, some imply he had the most influence, both sides are wrong.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

So what's everyone trying to argue here, that it's not going to be TDK-realistic? I think that 's what they're going for even if Nolan was never on set.

 

[DvilDog]

I think it's more of the "backlash" towards his fans or "Nolanites", the people who are "Batman, Superman, comic, etc fans" who are bigger devotees of Nolan than they are Batman, Superman, the source material, etc, who want to have a say in how the CBMs are done apply the formula "Nolan > EVERYTHING" all the time, no matter what. The people that don't believe there are any good ideas in the comics and think that everything in the comics needs to be like Nolan films. Take that and combine it with how pretentious Nolan can come off sometimes in interviews and that's where the "people against Nolan" thing comes from, IMO.

I just think a good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from, sometimes it's Nolan, sometimes it isn't, no one is capable of the one thing ALL of the time. I'm not a fan of the "Nolan way all the time no matter what" people. Becomes very closed minded, IMO.

Okay I think I sorta understand? As I have been trying to catch up a little I can see that they want to try to make Superman a little more realistic, like Nolan did for Batman. I get it, even though it would seem a bit more difficult in Superman's world. We don't have to hash it out again as I'm sure you guys have been discussing this for years already. I'm not a big comics guy but I have read some and do watch most of the animated movies based off certain interpretations of the comics. I liked Nolan's take on Batman and if he played a major role in MOS then kudos to him. This question has probably been asked a million times but does it really matter? As long as we get a Superman that we can all dig for the most part?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You about summed up my feelings. Except I'm not going to deny Nolan and Goyer's role in MOS and I don't see why anyone would want to? The movie looks amazing.

I do feel slightly protective of Snyder cause he's kind of an underdog. He gets trash talked a lot, and people don't seem to think of him as a serious/capable director, just because his stylistic choices in films so far haven't been serious.

And because it seems like this film is Snyder responding to that, showing that he IS capable and can make other kinds of films that aren't so stylised, it bugs me that basically all the people who like to trash talk about him are going to put the success of that down to Nolan guiding his hand.

I just don't think that's true. This is Snyder's baby. This is something he has obviously worked really hard on, and put a lot of himself into.

 

[Mikelus]

From a producing standpoint, Christopher Nolan focused on story and script issues, and Emma Thomas and Charles Roven were involved more with production issues since Nolan was busy filming The Dark Knight Rises.
http://collider.com/man-of-steel-set-visit

 

[BatLobster]

I don't think Nolan comes off pretentious at all in interviews. He's smart as hell and can probably talk circles around most critics when it comes to film, but he strikes me as pretty unpretentious and down to Earth actually. That, and he's one smooth, classy guy.

Nolan's a cool cat. I would never let the over the top praise of some of his fans get in the way of me liking the guy and really digging his style of writing and filmmaking. And his involvement in this movie is most definitely nothing but a positive.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It doesn't matter to me as long as I get a great film. Saying Nolan did everything is a lie, saying Nolan did nothing is another lie. It's as simple as that.

I like Snyder hopeful and it does annoy me when I see posts on here or anywhere else say that Nolan secretly directed the film without any proof. Nolan.has never made action scenes that looked this good, never.

 

[Kevin Smith]

You about summed up my feelings. Except I'm not going to deny Nolan and Goyer's role in MOS and I don't see why anyone would want to? The movie looks amazing.

Exactly. Give credit where credit is due.

Render unto Nolan the things which are Nolan's; render unto Snyder the things which are Snyder's.