All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Micromind]

I don't think Nolan will be as emotionally invested in Superman as he is with the Batman franchise.

Nolan is the producer for Man of Steel movie as WB wanted a recognized name and someone who has a proven record along with idea on how to make a successful Superman movie, but once MOS is successful, maybe Nolan will not want to be its producer for the sequels, it will be upto WB to decide on the future direction with Superman franchise, if they want Superman to be a part of a larger DC Universe, they can add such hints in the MOS sequel.

The original producer leaving the franchise is nothing new, it has happened before.

Take the example of -

Batman - Jon Peters, Peter Guber, Chris Kenny.

Batman Returns Producer - Tim Burton, Denise Di Novi

Batman Forever Producer - Tim Burton, Peter Macgregor-Scott

Batman & Robin Producer - Peter Macgregor-Scott

 

[Willi Berg]

I do wonder what WB's deal is with Snyder and his involvement with Superman. Whether he was told that he wouldn't have to worry about any connection to JL if he stayed on to make a Superman trilogy.

Here is the video again, of Snyder talking about JL being separate to his movie (at 1:02). It doesn't mention sequels but he does talk about being given the freedom the way Nolan did with Batman re: JL being separate:

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[Rockstar]

Wow. Haha.

The Tim Burton producer credit on Batman Forever is a completely different situation. He was originally supposed to direct that film but because the studio didn't like his direction and wanted to make Batman more family friendly, they reduced him to a producer credit.

They ended up cutting anything from Batman Forever that was remotely Burton-esque, including this lovely scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3HwRnU4ryM (This is a re-edited version of it)

It showed a complete disinterest by the studio in Burton's input.

Because of his contract, he had to be given a 'producer' credit.



Nolan is the complete opposite scenario. The studio loves Nolan and how he handles his films. They're relying on his input for Man of Steel and rebooting Batman.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Holy crap!! Man-bat for Batman 4!!!

Horror movie style!!

 

[Micromind]

Wow. Haha.

The Tim Burton producer credit on Batman Forever is a completely different situation. He was originally supposed to direct that film but because the studio didn't like his direction and wanted to make Batman more family friendly, they reduced him to a producer credit.

Nolan is the complete opposite scenario. The studio loves Nolan and how he handles his films. They're relying on his input for Man of Steel and rebooting Batman.

Yeah, but the question is whether Nolan would want to continue as a producer for MOS franchise, for Batman franchise I can see that studio will want him to continue as a producer, for Superman I am not sure.

After all, Nolan will also be busy making his next movie and as he has stated on multiple times - He likes to work on one project at a time, he is not like Steven Spielberg who can handle multiple jobs (of becoming a producer for one movie, and getting ready for his next movie, acting as a producer for a TV series at the same time.)

Nolan may not continue as a producer for MOS sequel, of course all this is mere speculation at this point, but it can happen.

 

[Micromind]

Holy crap!! Man-bat for Batman 4!!!

Horror movie style!!

Get Sam Raimi. t:

 

[Rockstar]

If TDKR bombs or makes significantly less than the Avengers, I think Warners will *unwisely* disregard Chris Nolan.


But, I think TDKR will be a massive hit. It has everything going for it.

 

[X Knight]

I don't care who's really in charge or how much involvement Nolan has.

at the end of the day, I just want a d*** good Superman movie, and one that will spawn a successful new franchise.

it's shameful how, in the modern day superhero/comic book movie period, the one tier-1 hero who failed to have his own franchise was Superman. Heck, Spider-man is getting ready to start his 2nd franchise cycle, and we have yet to establish a Superman franchise.

 

[Micromind]

Nolan's involvement for MOS is crucial to get the franchise up and running, once MOS is successful he can leave if he wants to, it will be upto the WB to take the decision regarding superman's inclusion in DC universe.

 

[shauner111]

I think we're all making everything more complicated than it is. I can only see them doing Justice League in the 2020s. In about 10 years from now.

You have to look at where all marvel and dc movies might be next decade. Let's start with Marvel just humour me for a sec. The way i see it, All the X-Men prequels will be done. The next 3 or 4 Spidey movies will be as well. Which means they'll either move on from Marc Webb or Andrew Garfield by then (or both). Downey wont be doing anymore Iron Man flicks, we'll get 2 Avengers this decade, by 2019/20 maybe a 3rd will take place. I dont see them going over that. (It'll be hard enough getting Downey back for a second AA or a fourth IM). They also won't rush into rebooting and give the fans a different Tony Stark. Caps/Thor sequels will be wrapped up. Plus the one-off Wolverine flick will be complete & a possible Daredevil reboot by the end of this decade.

OK, now. DC...Snyders Superman trilogy, Nolans final Batman, a good 2 movies from the Batman reboot. ALL RELEASED IN THE NEXT 8 YEARS. They're certainly taking their sweet ass time with Green Lantern 2.

With that said, what's my point? The next decade is going to be ruled by DC and they'll want to surround its characters around debuting a JLA. JUST like this decade is big with The Avengers. They'll launch Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman & a new Green Lantern no doubt about it. They'll continue pumping out more of these "Bat reboot" solos and id like to think the fans will be won over by this version enough to include him in Justice League with a new Supes. Cavill will be something of the past just like Bale will be in a couple years.

Is Marvel the type to possibly try to bank on Ruffalos Hulk (non origin this time)? or to try a different Iron Man? It's possible. But they'll go under the radar after one movie. Downeys the money grab for Iron Man, its the only reason the character is where it is. Fact is Marvels prize in the 2020s will be Spider-Man. He may even stand alone. DC will make the best of this and Justice League will be launched with a new Superman, new Batman, and its other heroes.

Sometimes you have to just see something at face value, if Zack Snyder says his Superman is seperate from a future Justice League Superman, then he's probably right. They'll wait for this version to come to a close. Cavill will probably be loyal to Snyder as Bale is to Nolan. His training is also intense & u gotta believe he'll want to leave the franchise after 3 movies and not continue with such a demanding physical role. A Justice League will ensure sequels & multiple cameos.

Sorry for the long winded post, but after reading the last couple of pages, i think we're getting confused by mixing multiple Supermans, Batmans. It's just not how it'll happen. They're smart and patient, they'll wait til the next bulk is over with.

 

[The Guard]

While I agree that things should be taken at face value, there are a number of possibilities for solo films/a shared universe. People here have this issue where they assume that the only way to go is the one that they personally can conceive of working, and feel the need to disprove everyone else's thoughts on solo films/shared franchises.

It'd be nice if people would stop assuming the following things:
That WB must do what Marvel has, or that they must do the shared universe a certain way
That audiences would be confused or that their would be an actual mess if there were two of any character/continuities
That Nolan/Snyder/Bale/Cavill could not possibly take part in a shared franchise, or that they must for the concept to work

It's annoying, and its counterproductive, and its holding back these discussions, and keeping them going round and round.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Do they?

They did before Green Lantern bombed.


Things have changed since.

The initial plan was to fast-track the movie for 2013/2014. Green Lanten came out, bombed. Now WB seems to legitimately taking their time, apparently the current plan is to release in 2017. This is plenty of time to either make a cinematic continuity or just make a darn good film. If it comes to fruition, which is still very, very unlikely, they'd have no excuse for a failure.

 

[Showtime]

Exactly. The only thing different is they are "assembling".

Yay. For me Loki being the main baddie is rather weak.

I mean, I think it looks over the top awesome action wise, I'm just not sure it looks different. I am seeing it Tuesday night, so looking forward to a visceral explosion.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm actually enjoying watching DC fanboys like yourself have unrealistic pipedreams about JLA and then getting screwed over by the reality of the situation.

Pipedreams?

Have you not been paying attention to my posts, or have you yet to surpass a second-grade reading level? I'm probably the most cynical one here (regarding a Justice League/World's Finest/Trinity film). However, I'm not spewing unsubstantiated garbage about why an ensemble film may never come to fruition.

You've had two insiders already explain things to you on how WB and the DC properties 'function'. Yet, you keep blaming Nolan and Snyder when they're not in-charge of anything but their solo projects.

So, I have to ask (in all honesty) are you half-witted, or are you just seeking to sound like a spoiled little brat? Ultimatehero recently wrote you a thesis paper in the DC boards on why a Justice League adaptation hasn't come together since 2007, but you completely disregard and ignore reason and continue to blame people are not in power.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

World's Finest would be the most sensible choice by a long shot.

IMO there is absolutely no point trying to do what Avengers have done now. It's too late. They've got too many odd properties.

Avengers had a clean run. Planned from Iron Man on, with only Incredible Hulk really lagging. It had a clear direction.

With Nolan's Bat franchise, SR, Green Lantern and now MOS all being completey seperate to any JL plans according to the studio, there are so many 'loose strings' IMO.

And with no plans that we've heard of to introduce characters like Wonder Woman, The Flash or even Green Latern again in their own solo movies, it is literally impossible to see how they can follow the path of The Avengers.

They really only have three options.

1. Focus on individual films only. Give up on any team up movie just for the sake of trying to emulate Marvel Studios success and just do whatever they can with what they have got

2. Produce a JL movie a long long way down the line. At least 2020's. When MOS franchise is finished, and perhaps even a couple of Batman reboot movies are done too. The longer they leave it, the less it matters whether they build up with solo movies or not. It just needs to be enough time for other things to be a distant memory or at least finished.

There should never be a JL movie, with different actors, at the same time as solo movies.

3. Tie MOS and the new Batman franchise together in a World's finest movie. And if that is successful, move into JL with those actors as well.

 

[terry78]

^This girl is spot on.

 

[Rockstar]

Pipedreams?

Have you not been paying attention to my posts, or have you yet to surpass a second-grade reading level? I'm probably the most cynical one here (regarding a Justice League/World's Finest/Trinity film). However, I'm not spewing unsubstantiated garbage about why an ensemble film may never come to fruition.

You've had two insiders already explain things to you on how WB and the DC properties 'function'. Yet, you keep blaming Nolan and Snyder when they're not in-charge of anything but their solo projects.

Who are the supposed insiders?


Link me to their posts where they confirm that Nolan and Snyder's input mean nothing in regards to JLA.

So, I have to ask (in all honesty) are you half-witted, or are you just seeking to sound like a spoiled little brat? Ultimatehero recently wrote you a thesis paper in the DC boards on why a Justice League adaptation hasn't come together since 2007, but you completely disregard and ignore reason and continue to blame people are not in power

Who?


Who cares.

 

[The Infernal]

It's not that people wouldn't understand. We know that quite a few will. It will be that there will be a Justice League franchise potentially competing with a Superman and a Batman franchise. Everyone will prefer one to the other, that's why I wouldn't like it. Not that it's confusing, it would be like continuing the Dark Knight franchise while the reboot is being released.

Not a good analogy. It's not really comparable. The Dark Knight would have to be finished completely for a reboot to be green lighted. It's just plain nuts.

Also the only competing the different versions of characters may do (that I can see) is that of fans asking whose interpretation is better. That happens anyway regardless of what version was done when. Like I said before, I don't see them releasing the films close enough that they become competition for one another (like I don't see them doing it for the various comic book films they already put out).

 

[JAK®]

This whole separate universe thing is a bit of a moot point, isn't it? In 2008/2009 when JL:Mortal was beginning production, TDK had just been released and TDKR was in the planning stages, which made the idea of an alternate Batman necessary.

But TDKR will be released this year so Nolan's Batman is over. MOS and GL are clean slates and a new Batman movie can be made that fits into a wider universe. I don't see why it's necessary to divide a JL movie from the rest anymore.

 

[HighFivingMF]

A few people have said that, but Rockstar keeps stirring stuff back up by using the words "Messiah," "Nolan," "Snyder," and "Mess" over and over.

 

[terry78]

So you're saying Nolan isn't the Messiah? Blasphemous!

 

[JAK®]

I wonder how many results I would get if I searched for "Nolan messiah" in the Bat-boards.

 

[El Payaso]

I wonder how many results I would get if I searched for "Nolan messiah" in the Bat-boards.

Thing is to type "Nolan mess" and see if google corrects you.

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Who are the supposed insiders?

Link me to their posts where they confirm that Nolan and Snyder's input mean nothing in regards to JLA.

Link me to yours.

Gill and Ultimatehero have far more credibility than you'll ever have buddy. So unless you have proof, you're just spreading propaganda.

Who?


Who cares.

Obviously, you.