All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[JAK®]

The Avengers was not just about visuals, don't be ridiculous.

 

[Rust]

The Avengers was not just about visuals, don't be ridiculous.

It will be remembered for little else though. Well, that and its sincerity.

It had good characters, good performances, good suspense and good dialogue. But the overall story was weak and predictable and that's its biggest flaw imo and why I (and I suspect most non diehard fans) wont care in 5 or 10 years. Avengers 2 will probably take care of that itself.

 

[JAK®]

The story was simple, not weak. Maybe it was predictable, but it was predictable in the same way watching a sports game is predictable. Everyone knows how the game is played, the entertainment is in watching how the players play it.

 

[Rust]

Well, I just dont agree entirely. Yeah, the story was simple and there's nothing wrong with that approach at all. A movie like this needs that. But the villains motivations as well as the third act WERE weak story-wise and that hurts it overall imo.

But you're right. I'm probably just being a bit too harsh because of how much it's hyped compared to what it isnt. It just could've been much more imo.

 

[JAK®]

Loki's plan was poorly constructed. But this is by design. Loki was clearly portrayed as someone who is in over his head, but we need to remember that this is a continuing story. His actions will have consequences, and Loki's development as a character is far from over.

His conversation with Thor really made it clear what the film was really about.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It was this incredibly entertaining film, and I was literally bopping my head in excitement in parts, and came out buzzing. Made me laugh, cry and was genuinely brilliant in places ([BLACKOUT]or instance I loved Black Widow's reaction to The Hulk's rampage. Was a really honest moment when she was shaking like that[/BLACKOUT]).

But there was definitely something missing.

I don't want to get into it too much in here, but after thinking about it a lot, I've decided that it was Loki that was the problem.

Not just because I felt his 'plan' was incredibly vague and kind of empty, but I also think some of the humour they used around Loki was a mistake and made him into a bit of a joke.

 

[Rust]

Loki's plan was poorly constructed. But this is by design. Loki was clearly portrayed as someone who is in over his head, but we need to remember that this is a continuing story. His actions will have consequences, and Loki's development as a character is far from over.

His conversation with Thor really made it clear what the film was really about.

I'll have to watch it again then. And possibly the sequel to get the first one.

 

[The Infernal]

It will be remembered for little else though. Well, that and its sincerity.

It had good characters, good performances, good suspense and good dialogue. But the overall story was weak and predictable and that's its biggest flaw imo and why I (and I suspect most non diehard fans) wont care in 5 or 10 years. Avengers 2 will probably take care of that itself.

I think you're misreading it. It's not just about an 'alien invasion', it's about the Avengers 'coming together' for the first. The good characters are the story, the invasion is largely an excuse for all that. And I disagree that all it will be remembered for is the spectacle. People are more observant than that. At least that's my take on it.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think you're misreading it. It's not just about an 'alien invasion', it's about the Avengers 'coming together' for the first. The good characters are the story, the invasion is largely an excuse for all that. And I disagree that all it will be remembered for is the spectacle. People are more observant than that. At least that's my take on it.

Totally agree couldn't have put it any better.

 

[The Infernal]

Totally agree couldn't have put it any better.

+1


So I'm wondering about MoS first trailer/teaser. Has there been talk of it coming any time soon? They've been filming for a while now (though I'm not sure how long).

 

[Prime]

They've been filming for a while now (though I'm not sure how long).

Filming is done since early February.

 

[The Infernal]

Filming is done since early February.

Really? lol, shows what I know. I'm hyped about this movie, but I haven't followed everything (clearly). Wasn't TDKR still filming when their teaser and first trailer were released?

 

[Prime]

Wasn't TDKR still filming when their teaser and first trailer were released?

Yes it was. Man of Steel would have a teaser by now too, if the movie wasn't pushed from December to June next year.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yup. It's possible there could be a teaser next month, but it is almost certain to be packaged with The Dark Knight Rises.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The Avengers was not just about visuals, don't be ridiculous.

Phil gushed over it and he's not one to do that, on this week's Movie Moan. Shameless plug.

This weekend my pal Justin from Blue Tights is joining us to talk about The Avengers, the new Dark Knight Rises and Amazing Spider-Man trailers, his thoughts on Man on Steel and other forthcoming comic-book tentpoles. And a Dick Tracy discussion.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Dennis Quaid for Dick Tracy!

 

[Lone]

Loki's plan was poorly constructed. But this is by design. Loki was clearly portrayed as someone who is in over his head, but we need to remember that this is a continuing story. His actions will have consequences, and Loki's development as a character is far from over.

His conversation with Thor really made it clear what the film was really about.

This. Brilliantly played by Tom Hiddleston.

 

[mackytung06]

Hey there guys. Just a quick question. Me and my bro were debating on Nolans involvement on the film.

If Im not mistaken, I read an article saying that the Nolan barely having influence on the movie ( and that its really Snyder running the show) There was such article right??

And is the movie still based on Nolans script? Or has Snyder changed it a bit to his liking?

My brother seems to think that Nolans involvement is BIG. I beg to differ.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It's a Nolan/Goyer script, revised by Jonah Nolan. A Nolan production, directed by Zack Synder.

If Synder had full control, Superman would still be wearing trunks

It's his movie, but Nolan has a major influence on things. Almost a silent partner with Synder.

 

[SpideyFan866]

It's a Nolan/Goyer script, revised by Jonah Nolan. A Nolan production, directed by Zack Synder.

If Synder had full control, Superman would still be wearing trunks

Its true that Snyder doesnt have full control, HOWEVER, he did have to do heavy revisions on Nolan/Goyer's script because he (alleged) hated it.

From what I hear, it was barely a Superman script.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

And didn't Snyder's writer Kurt Johnstad have a go at the script too?

But yeah Nolan's not had much to do with it as far as I can tell.

 

[JAK®]

More like a Goyer script that Nolan liked and that Jonah Nolan revised, as per their normal working relationship.

Nolan certainly doesn't have any input on the costume, as if he even wanted to.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Its true that Snyder doesnt have full control, HOWEVER, he did have to do heavy revisions on Nolan/Goyer's script because he (alleged) hated it.

From what I hear, it was barely a Superman script.

Where did you hear he hated it?

 

[HighFivingMF]

Where did you hear he hated it?

I'm gonna guess nowhere.

 

[Willi Berg]

More like a Goyer script that Nolan liked and that Jonah Nolan revised, as per their normal working relationship.

Nolan certainly doesn't have any input on the costume, as if he even wanted to.

I agree with this.

I think Goyer did most of the work on the basis of the script. He worked with Nolan and they figured out main themes and ideas. Then Goyer wrote the bulk of the early draft, with Nolan's guidance.

Then the script went through many revisions. There was even talk of a change in villains. And then Jonah wrote his take, and maybe the idea of him directing was an early consideration.

Chris Nolan and WB then worked together to find a director. Once Snyder was chosen, that was when Nolan and co. were less involved. The script continued to be revised by Snyder and Kurt Johnstad. There was talk that there were problems getting the third act right and changes were happening right up until shooting. There was some talk of it being a bit disorganised even as shooting started.