All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[PacificBoy]

I see this as opening the door for Metropolis City Of The Future thing from the comics, with Lex rebuilding and owning large swathes of the city.

Undoubtedly the stage is set for this, and it's an awesome platform for the sequel. The big repercussions of superman's introduction to the world will be addressed then, but it's a huge downer not to see any acknowledgement in MoS. The entire devastation is so casually dismissed.

 

[PacificBoy]

Completely agreed. How can this escape the filmmakers entirely? It seems so obvious that something should have been included. Not one acknowledgement of the aftermath after it is done? This is the only real sore spot in the movie for me.

This killed the movie for me, unfortunately. I was bored by the Metropolis fight to be honest, but I was still into the story. Ok, Superman needs to take Zod down to save the world, but how? Then he snaps Zod's neck. Wow, mmm that's a talking point for sure. Ok, world saved - but where's the world after that?

 

[John-An]

This killed the movie for me, unfortunately. I was bored by the Metropolis fight to be honest, but I was still into the story. Ok, Superman needs to take Zod down to save the world, but how? Then he snaps Zod's neck. Wow, mmm that's a talking point for sure. Ok, world saved - but where's the world after that?

then you are bored in the fight in metropolis? good for you... the rest of us loved it and no matter how many times we see it it is exceptional... if you're going to troll... do it but with valid arguments not that silly you did...

 

[BH/HHH]

then you are bored in the fight in metropolis? good for you... the rest of us loved it and no matter how many times we see it it is exceptional... if you're going to troll... do it but with valid arguments not that silly you did...

 

[PacificBoy]

then you are bored in the fight in metropolis? good for you... the rest of us loved it and no matter how many times we see it it is exceptional... if you're going to troll... do it but with valid arguments not that silly you did...

I was bored because the action wasn't doing it for me. I dug the Smallville fight, like everyone out there I'm sure, seeing Superman (finally) throw down big time in live action, coupled with plenty of Faora and great choreography.

The world engine action was just ok and when Superman started taking Zod on, I was looking forward to it, but it got repetitive after the 5th superpunch or so with both guys just going at it doing no visible harm to each other.

And how am I trolling exactly? I said "I was bored", not "the fight was boring" because I know a great many enjoyed the fight. Not my fave scene but I can see why people enjoyed it and I certainly don't begrudge those who loved it. The point I was making is that I was still very much involved with the story despite ME being bored by the climatic battle, and that the lack of acknowledgement of the destruction after that caused just killed the movie for me.

 

[MrMaooz]

I'm curious as to how the inevitable MOS Honest Trailer turns out.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm curious as to how the inevitable MOS Honest Trailer turns out.

Me too lol

 

[InJustice]

I'm curious as to how the inevitable MOS Honest Trailer turns out.

If a person with a hyperbolic mindset is making it...

 

[MrMaooz]

Me too lol

I think we already know what they're going to say lol.

 

[Marvin]

This killed the movie for me, unfortunately. I was bored by the Metropolis fight to be honest, but I was still into the story. Ok, Superman needs to take Zod down to save the world, but how? Then he snaps Zod's neck. Wow, mmm that's a talking point for sure. Ok, world saved - but where's the world after that?

not sure if serious...

Anyways, I recall all comic book films eventually getting to a point similar to this, where the hero and the villain are battling it out to save the world and then the ending happens. I in fact recall my sentiments during both thor and cap to be the exact same...
me walking out saying, well that was something I guess, a few zaps, zip, bangs and the villain is sucked into a portal....t:

For better or worse I'm proud that Snyder and co made something that will get people talking, something that will garner love and hate and everything in between, for too long the only talking point was that marvel plays it safe and make safe money after the fact(till avengers that is). Funny enough marvel films have been killing villains in cold blood for the past several years, dc/wb as well, it's only a talking about now for some reason, cause this is the only superhero that the public actually enjoys when the day is saved and not a single casualty is suffered innocent and villain alike.
...oh wait, WB decided to change that as of 2 years ago when it actually became important that Superman not only engage with 40 year olds and fanboys but the modern GA as well.

What's more Stark killed Killian instead of calling in the avengers to deal with him, he partied afterwards(this is the way most his films end), Superman killed Zod with no options laid out in front of him and regretted it afterwards. I don't see how anyone can think this a disservice to the character.

 

[PacificBoy]

not sure if serious...

Anyways, I recall all comic book films eventually getting to a point similar to this, where the hero and the villain are battling it out to save the world and then the ending happens. I in fact recall my sentiments during both thor and cap to be the exact same...
me walking out saying, well that was something I guess, a few zaps, zip, bangs and the villain is sucked into a portal....t:

What's more Stark killed Killian instead of calling in the avengers to deal with him, he partied afterwards(this is the way most his films end), Superman killed Zod with no options laid out in front of him and regretted it afterwards. I don't see how anyone can think this a disservice to the character.

When I say that, I mean Superman saved the world (Metropolis) but the world (Metropolis, the destruction) isn't seen or touched on, not the slightest, after the fact. I see this lack of acknowledgement as doing a disservice to this character version of Superman built up so far. But like I said, that's just me.

You're right, this happens a lot. Not only in CBMs but in regular movies too. And usually as a quick fix when the reel is running out.

For better or worse I'm proud that Snyder and co made something that will get people talking, something that will garner love and hate and everything in between, for too long the only talking point was that marvel plays it safe and make safe money after the fact(till avengers that is). Funny enough marvel films have been killing villains in cold blood for the past several years, dc/wb as well, it's only a talking about now for some reason, cause this is the only superhero that the public actually enjoys when the day is saved and not a single casualty is suffered innocent and villain alike.
...oh wait, WB decided to change that as of 2 years ago when it actually became important that Superman not only engage with 40 year olds and fanboys but the modern GA as well.

I agree here, all credit to Snyder and Goyer for rendering a modern superman in film. Not the easiest endeavor judging from the response from the detractors. Evidently, the majority love it. I'm in the, say, 30%, 40% (too high?) minority who didn't like it. Regardless of what I and the rest think or feel, MoS has put Superman firmly back onto the map.

I'm not here to piss on anyone's parade, but to discuss the movie thoughtfully, and work through my own personal disappointment with the movie. I know why I didn't, but I wanted to see how others felt to gain some perspective of the movie. Superman killing doesn't bother as much as it did when I saw it, for instance, because I read what others have to say and found myself nodding in agreement.

Don't think anyone would really argue that the story doesn't try to be epic and heartfelt; it's really ambitious for a CBM. Only that the execution falters for some of us, and our disappointment is all the stronger because of all the wasted, unrealized potential.

What's great is that Superman is being talked about and relevant again.

 

[Herolee10]

I think that IF the sequel goes right into the aftermath of the attack on Metropolis, along with the aftereffects that Superman is experiencing from having to kill Zod, then it'll make things better.

I mean, I remember on how I was kind of disappointed that we didn't get like a montage of seeing firsthand on what Gordon was talking to Batman about at the end of "Batman Begins" where criminals were running scared and hope was now present on the street, but "The Dark Knight" immediately gave us that at the start so I'm hoping for the same regarding MOS 2

 

[PacificBoy]

I think that IF the sequel goes right into the aftermath of the attack on Metropolis, along with the aftereffects that Superman is experiencing from having to kill Zod, then it'll make things better.

I mean, I remember on how I was kind of disappointed that we didn't get like a montage of seeing firsthand on what Gordon was talking to Batman about at the end of "Batman Begins" where criminals were running scared and hope was now present on the street, but "The Dark Knight" immediately gave us that at the start so I'm hoping for the same regarding MOS 2

That'll do me. MoS 2 is set up to match TDK - and more. There's so much to mine from the first movie.

 

[Chris Wallace]

My review:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/chris-michael-wallace/man-of-steel-spoilers/10151445563512062

 

[MrMaooz]

I think it's funny how I never came close to crying during MOS but I watched the CC trailer and I was hit in the feels.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Cc?

 

[Herolee10]

I think it's funny how I never came close to crying during MOS but I watched the CC trailer and I was hit in the feels.

I definitely know of other people who feel the same way.lol

I think it's safe to say that for some, they really felt that they were given a different film from what they were shown in the trailers that led up to its release, let alone the CC one.

Personally, as much as I like MOS, I definitely enjoyed the more quieter (non CGI action) moments and would have appreciated seeing more of those moments than anything else since that was when I felt the cinematography was at its finest at times.

 

[Herolee10]

Cc?

Comic Con.

 

[PacificBoy]

Talking about trailers, my favorite is #3. It is my MoS movie. We get pathos with sad Clark and Pa Kent, the discovering of his heritage, first flight, insane wall-to-wall action, and ends with a flirty moment between Superman and Lois before he dashes off in response to a threat to humanity.

 

[Herolee10]

Talking about trailers, my favorite is #3. It is my MoS movie. We get pathos with sad Clark and Pa Kent, the discovering of his heritage, first flight, insane wall-to-wall action, and ends with a flirty moment between Superman and Lois before he dashes off in response to a threat to humanity.

Speaking of Pathos, I think that's another thing that made some not like MOS due to the fact that I think a lot went into the film thinking that we'd get to see "Clark Kent: Mild Mannered Reporter" for the DP and that we'd get some of that classic DP environment stuff with Clark/Lois/Perry, etc, along with having the standard big reveal to the public regarding Superman by him doing something heroic for everyone to see.

 

[PacificBoy]

Speaking of Pathos, I think that's another thing that made some not like MOS due to the fact that I think a lot went into the film thinking that we'd get to see "Clark Kent: Mild Mannered Reporter" for the DP and that we'd get some of that classic DP environment stuff with Clark/Lois/Perry, etc, along with having the standard big reveal to the public regarding Superman by him doing something heroic for everyone to see.

With this Superman's character arc, it would have been difficult cramming any meaningful Daily Planet time and interaction in IMO.

Didn't bother me but I've seen that criticism. I think given how the movie panned out, it'd be cool in the sequel to see Clark in the DP environment working alongside a Lois, and possibly Perry, who knows his identity, just because it's a dynamic we have never seen before. I have a hunch that Snyder and Goyer's Clark Kent the Reporter would be anything but mild mannered seeing how more assertive and no-nonsense this Superman is.

 

[Herolee10]

With this Superman's character arc, it would have been difficult cramming any meaningful Daily Planet time and interaction in IMO.

Didn't bother me but I've seen that criticism. I think given how the movie panned out, it'd be cool in the sequel to see Clark in the DP environment working alongside a Lois, and possibly Perry, who knows his identity, just because it's a dynamic we have never seen before. I have a hunch that Snyder and Goyer's Clark Kent the Reporter would be anything but mild mannered seeing how more assertive and no-nonsense this Superman is.

Indeed, and at the same time, I think MOS kind of established that Clark is kind of a pro at blending into the background to the point where people don't really pay attention to him as much based on what we saw of him during his travels so that could definitely help with the whole, how no one would recognize Clark being Superman.

 

[The Sage]

My review:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/chris-michael-wallace/man-of-steel-spoilers/10151445563512062

Not able to open this.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Comic Con.

Oh.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not able to open this.

Weird. Opened for me just fine.