All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[TheFlamingCoco]

If DP Clark isn't bumbling, we might get another RT score in the 50% range.

That's possible.

RT: "Henry shines as Superman, but his Kent is too dull and ordinary to pass for anything special."

 

[Smallville13]

If it wasn't obvious before, I think the MOS '56%' really shows how useless RT is. Just a joke.

I really just don't know what to take from half the reviewers declaring it rotten. Something ain't right. It definitely feels like there's some rallying that goes on. They were willing to forgive alot for Nolan with TDKR, but MOS is just '**** you Zack Snyder'.

 

[STARMAN]

Look at Superman Returns RT rating and compare it to MOS. That tells you everything you need to know about Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[MrMaooz]

For some reason, it's hard to get excited about things like this.

Because your not a teen maybe? Haha

 

[~.:/|T-MaN|\:.~]

Look at Superman Returns RT rating and compare it to MOS. That tells you everything you need to know about Rotten Tomatoes.

Blaming the RT site for bad ratings is like blaming facebook for stupid people who spam and harass. The exact percentage they come up with? give or take a percentile here and there is pretty accurate with what the reviews are. I don't like it either but some critics have valid arguments that I unfortunately have been agreeing with more than disagreeing with.

And I really think the superhero movie climate when Returns was released was a lot less crowded and over saturated than it is now. They may have been comparing the campy movie to the campy Donner films (don't kill me) as good as they were, they both evoked similar positive themes of hope and light heartedness.

Now days, we have like 5 bloated-budget superhero flicks coming out every year it seems, and sure MOS did well in it's own right regarding action, modern treatments, and effects. But When people saw Nolan's name attached, they expected more. Now what that means, it could be a lot of things, but I think people just expected the new Nolan-DC formula to work flawlessly with this new franchise and character... which it didn't.

 

[STARMAN]

There are valid criticisms of MOS. I have some criticisms myself. But I think most of GA, not all, would take MOS over SR. The RT ratings give a different impression.

I do think some critics are tired of the angst ridden Superhero who needs to find himself before becoming a hero.

 

[Rowsdower!]

FROM COMIC-CON THE BLACK SUIT!!! AWESOMESAUCE!!!!!

Why is there a black suit? Was there a scene where he wears it that was cut from the film?

 

[MrMaooz]

Why is there a black suit? Was there a scene where he wears it that was cut from the film?

He was wearing a black suit during the dream sequence.

 

[John-An]

Why is there a black suit? Was there a scene where he wears it that was cut from the film?

the dream sequence of him and zod... he was wearing the black suit..

 

[Rowsdower!]

Oh, okay. Damn, I need to watch it again. I completely forgot about that.

 

[Smallville13]

Blaming the RT site for bad ratings is like blaming facebook for stupid people who spam and harass. The exact percentage they come up with? give or take a percentile here and there is pretty accurate with what the reviews are. I don't like it either but some critics have valid arguments that I unfortunately have been agreeing with more than disagreeing with.

And I really think the superhero movie climate when Returns was released was a lot less crowded and over saturated than it is now. They may have been comparing the campy movie to the campy Donner films (don't kill me) as good as they were, they both evoked similar positive themes of hope and light heartedness.

Now days, we have like 5 bloated-budget superhero flicks coming out every year it seems, and sure MOS did well in it's own right regarding action, modern treatments, and effects. But When people saw Nolan's name attached, they expected more. Now what that means, it could be a lot of things, but I think people just expected the new Nolan-DC formula to work flawlessly with this new franchise and character... which it didn't.

The film had flaws. But by no means is it a bad movie. The critics definitely took the criticism to an extreme.

If the film was average all round I'd understand critics going a step further and declaring it rotten. But it has moments of excellence. And every misstep it makes towards the end isn't enough to nullify it's best moments. My opinion sure, but it's really a meta opinion based on what other films they rate high. ST(09) is 95%... How the....

 

[Rowsdower!]

People blow things out of proportion. I was on one site yesterday where somebody listed it among the worst superhero adaptations of all time. That's utter bullsh**. I don't care if you hated MOS, there's no way it's in the same company as some of the crap we've gotten over the years like Catwoman, Fantastic Four, Green Hornet and The Spirit.

I guess is with Superman, people just have this preconceived idea of how the story SHOULD be told, how the character SHOULD act, etc. What they don't take into account is that Superman has been rebooted multiple times in the comics, and some of the changes have been drastic. You also have to consider that the writer and the director of a film adaptation are going to want to try and do something at least somewhat fresh and original, otherwise, what's the point? No one wants a carbon copy of an older film only with modern special effects.

Personally, I don't mind them taking some liberties and making Superman make some choices that previous incarnations might not have made, because it made him an interesting character in the story they were telling. Nolan's Batman isn't exactly like his comic book counterpart either, and that's fine.

 

[Smallville13]

People blow things out of proportion. I was on one site yesterday where somebody listed it among the worst superhero adaptations of all time. That's utter bullsh**. I don't care if you hated MOS, there's no way it's in the same company as some of the crap we've gotten over the years like Catwoman, Fantastic Four, Green Hornet and The Spirit.

I guess is with Superman, people just have this preconceived idea of how they story SHOULD be told, how the character SHOULD act, etc. What they don't take into account is that Superman has been rebooted multiple times in the comics, and some of the changes have been drastic. You also have to consider that the writer and the director of a film adaptation are going to want to try and do something at least somewhat fresh and original, otherwise, what's the point? No one wants a carbon copy of an older film only with modern special effects.

Exactly. It's just extremist hate. It's like on Reddit people calling it the worst film they've seen in years.

I do think that the approval of MOS will go up in time. Once the hype train for MOS2 starts next year, people will revisit MOS and see it for what it is.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ 75 percent of RottenTomatoes critics kind of do

 

[MrMaooz]

Exactly. It's just extremist hate. It's like on Reddit people calling it the worst film they've seen in years.

I do think that the approval of MOS will go up in time. Once the hype train for MOS2 starts next year, people will revisit MOS and see it for what it is.

Seriously yes, Reddit makes it out like the movie is utter crap.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

What's reddit ?

 

[MrMaooz]

What's reddit ?

You don't know what Reddit is? Well anways, IDK how to describe it lol. Just go there right now and check it out.

 

[Binker]

Why is there a black suit? Was there a scene where he wears it that was cut from the film?

He was wearing a black suit during the dream sequence.

Speaking of the black suit, umm, where was I when this came out?!

And its out now!

The film had flaws. But by no means is it a bad movie. The critics definitely took the criticism to an extreme.

As of right now, while I will defend the movie if need be, I'm done fighting the critics. In the end, yeah it has flaws (I have 5 of them which make sense), but the flaws from the critics make no sense. I feel as if they are putting Superman on a pedestal and instead think of Superman as if he was much like Reeve 100%, without realizing that Reeve was one version, and was based on a previous era of Superman, and not the modern era which MOS I felt represented, and that Superman isn't Reeve 100% and there are many other versions and eras that create and recreate the character.

I went into MOS expecting what I heard: MOS was going to make Superman cool and badass and modern/relevant, this was going to finally move away from the Donner influence, and if MOS was going to be a popcorn movie, so be it for this movie. And when I left, I was happy. So I knew what to expect and got it,

MOS was a good/very good movie. Nuff said

 

[Marvin]

If nolan had directed this movie based on the script(and with the same ending), I do wonder if critics would have given the same plot a pass. They do seem to love that guy these days. I mean lack of character development means everything to them on June 14 2013 but in Inception, not a word.
Batman killing in begins is kinda controversial imo especially when bat's makes a hypocritical statement before the fact then all lives lost and damage is swept under the rug and we get our big happy ending. MoS, it's criminal character assassination and careless handling of epilogue.

Meh, I've been against RT for a while, glad this summer put their establishment into the fanboy discussion.

 

[Skrilla31]

People blow things out of proportion. I was on one site yesterday where somebody listed it among the worst superhero adaptations of all time. That's utter bullsh**. I don't care if you hated MOS, there's no way it's in the same company as some of the crap we've gotten over the years like Catwoman, Fantastic Four, Green Hornet and The Spirit

I haven't seen 3 of the 4 movies you just listed but at the very least MOS is definitely the worst movie I've seen in theaters this year. And that's saying something because I thought this was a summer chock full of disappointments.

I'd also like to remind you that Superman is my all time favorite character and that MOS marked the most excited I had ever been for a movie. If there's one person that would have been easy to please, it would have been me. Instead I thought it was a flaming pile.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

The toy looks very little like Henry Cavill and EVERYTHING like Peter Gallagher.

 

[J.Howlett]

If nolan had directed this movie based on the script(and with the same ending), I do wonder if critics would have given the same plot a pass. They do seem to love that guy these days. I mean lack of character development means everything to them on June 14 2013 but in Inception, not a word.
Batman killing in begins is kinda controversial imo especially when bat's makes a hypocritical statement before the fact then all lives lost and damage is swept under the rug and we get our big happy ending. MoS, it's criminal character assassination and careless handling of epilogue.

Meh, I've been against RT for a while, glad this summer put their establishment into the fanboy discussion.

What are you talking about? Inception is a straight up character piece from frame one. What film did you watch?

 

[The Sage]

What are you talking about? Inception is a straight up character piece from frame one. What film did you watch?

Maybe he means only one or two characters were developed instead of a sea of them? I don't know.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

If nolan had directed this movie based on the script(and with the same ending), I do wonder if critics would have given the same plot a pass. They do seem to love that guy these days. I mean lack of character development means everything to them on June 14 2013 but in Inception, not a word.
Batman killing in begins is kinda controversial imo especially when bat's makes a hypocritical statement before the fact then all lives lost and damage is swept under the rug and we get our big happy ending. MoS, it's criminal character assassination and careless handling of epilogue.

Meh, I've been against RT for a while, glad this summer put their establishment into the fanboy discussion.

If Nolan had directed MOS with the exact same script, critics would consider the same dialog they thought was preachy and unrealistic to be thoughtful and deep, the emphasis on action to be a breath of fresh air against Superman Returns, and the ending to be bold and unconventional, rather than a cliche'd way of making it dark.

I have a feeling that if Nolan directed MOS, it would be better written, structured, and paced.. HOWEVER, I think it would be more emotionally cold, I don't think Antje would be in it, and the fights would be passable at best (though it might have some cool wire work).

I also feel like the romance would be just as stale, if not more so, with Nolan at the helm.

And it would get around 8.8 on IMDB, and I would still be wondering if it was the same film I watched in theaters.

I DO think that if there was a Begins quality script in Zack's hands, he would hit MOS out of the park, because he clearly enjoys (and seems to be more familiar with) the genre.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I haven't seen 3 of the 4 movies you just listed but at the very least MOS is definitely the worst movie I've seen in theaters this year. And that's saying something because I thought this was a summer chock full of disappointments.

I'd also like to remind you that Superman is my all time favorite character and that MOS marked the most excited I had ever been for a movie. If there's one person that would have been easy to please, it would have been me. Instead I thought it was a flaming pile.

Yeah, well, I've been a Superman fan my whole life and I was more excited for this movie than any film I can remember; even TDK or The Avengers. And yet it still surpassed my expectations. So, I'm sorry that you thought it was horrible but please don't assume that all lifelong, diehard Superman fans are going to share that opinion.

And just for reference, I was very stoked for Superman Returns when it came out and very much wanted to like it. I ended up hating it. So I don't think I watched this movie with rose-colored glasses. There were certainly flaws and I was willing to give it some leeway, just as I did with SR. But the difference was, I really enjoyed this film while the other turned my favorite superhero into a brain dead, blank faced background character.