All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

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FilmNerdJamie said:
Non-sense.

Pirates was a huge hit back in July 2003 and people couldn't wait for the next one (...at the time; not so much anymore for Pirates 4). Every single tracking, poll, etc. going into 2006 had Pirates 2 as people's most anticipated film to see by a wide margin.

And I've seen nothing to suggest Man of Steel has general public or fandom any more or less excited at this stage of development before hand than Returns did. Any talk about "Fans weren't excited for Singer's film" or "Nobody liked the idea of doing a sequel to Donner's stuff" is revisionist crap.
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+1, although I think the key phrase is "at this stage of development." I new Supes film could be huge.
 
Zionite said:
It wasnt hindsight.It was Foresight.I mean come on did they expect everyone to remember everything from those movies 30 yrs ago.I didnt!all i remembered was that superman turned back time in one of them.Its that level of stupidity that made me know it would suck.If you are making a sequel to what is now a campy,outdated franchise you will get a campy outdated movie.No magic about it.
I went in with low expectations and wasnt disappionted.
At the time I watched it i was just an average movie goer.You can see why i wanted a reboot
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It obviously is hindsight because you said at the time of Superman Return's release you were an average movie goer, so you wouldn't have any idea what the movie is until you see it, just like the general populace. And you didn't need to know or remember the previous franchise to be able to understand the movie, it starts in the middle of his career, big whoop. All you need to figure out that Superman banged Lois, which Jimmy makes a joke about and Superman plainly says he is his son. There are plenty good movies that don't get a sequel like Solomon Kane for example, a good rim it received glowing reviews but had no advertising campaign. The most we can say from Superman Returns is that hindsight can give us foresight, Superman Returns was the victim of unfortunate release and poor marketing and Man Of Steel will suffer from an unfortunate release date coming out the same month as The Hobbit: Part 1.
 
Zack Snyder said:
Maybe a good Superman movie if they bothered to show what happened leading up to the Returns story in a film before it. The little bits of exposition were not enough to make it believable.
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what didnt they show you that resulted in the film being so unbelievable? you ask us not to insult your intelligence, yet apparently you werent intelligent enough to understand the simple premise of the story that the film set up rather adequately.
 
Superman Returns' plot is easy to understand, that's not the problem. The main problems with the film are that it is overly nostalgic and and lacks action. That has more to do with the split within the fanbase than box office though. I think POTC 2 was the main reason Returns didn't perform as well as WB wanted. I'm just glad things turned out the way they did.
 
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We get it. Singer is the devil. He ruined Superman. No fighting, all lifting. The kid the kid the kid.

So 2006.
 
SuperDaniel said:
It was Total Film that published this in the upcoming issue. Read the article.
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Yeah, and Digital Spy was the first to grab it. Singer separately said to Voices of Krypton like 2 weeks ago (which for some reason is just now getting noticed by some) about how he stands by the movie he made and is proud of it. That's why I don't pay attention to stuff like that religiously, bud.
 
But the thing is that IS what he said indeed, according to Total Film. Well, I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is, he is out of his mind.
 
FilmNerdJamie said:
Yeah, and Digital Spy was the first to grab it. Singer separately said to Voices of Krypton like 2 weeks ago (which for some reason is just now getting noticed by some) about how he stands by the movie he made and is proud of it. That's why I don't pay attention to stuff like that religiously, bud.
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oh yeah. I saw that interview with him at **************.com

He is still full of ****! Devil wears prada audience, tighten the first act...riiiiiiight.
 
Also that Total Film link doesn't feature any of the quotes Younis is using.

AKA: he took the quotes from whomever did the leg-work to post it (since it isn't online) but didn't give credit. Class.
 
FilmNerdJamie said:
Non-sense.

Pirates was a huge hit back in July 2003 and people couldn't wait for the next one (...at the time; not so much anymore for Pirates 4). Every single tracking, poll, etc. going into 2006 had Pirates 2 as people's most anticipated film to see by a wide margin.

And I've seen nothing to suggest Man of Steel has general public or fandom any more or less excited at this stage of development before hand than Returns did. Any talk about "Fans weren't excited for Singer's film" or "Nobody liked the idea of doing a sequel to Donner's stuff" is revisionist crap.
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Yup. Why WB ever thought it was a good idea to have it so close to pirates, I will never know...everyone and their mother knew pirates would break Spidermans opening weekend record the second it was announced. SR could have been TDK awesome and would have still never touched the 500 million worldwide expectation they set.
 
I like Bryan Singer, but his take on Superman(Which was really just a spin on Donner's Superman.) was weak. I understand wanting to tap in to the female demo, but fans and most men in general don't want a romance film starring Superman. His thought process was completely flawed, because he alienated alot of people.
 
Excel said:
Yup. Why WB ever thought it was a good idea to have it so close to pirates, I will never know...everyone and their mother knew pirates would break Spidermans opening weekend record the second it was announced. SR could have been TDK awesome and would have still never touched the 500 million worldwide expectation they set.
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Is it me, or is this totally not true?

Pirates was absolutley one of the most anticipated movies of 2006, but the idea that it was a slam dunk that it would have the biggest opening weekend of all time is just not how it happened.
 
DieSmiling said:
Is it me, or is this totally not true?

Pirates was absolutley one of the most anticipated movies of 2006, but the idea that it was a slam dunk that it would have the biggest opening weekend of all time is just not how it happened.
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No. It isn't just you.
 
I think the concept of having Superman return to Earth after a prolong absence to see the effect that his departure had on society was great. The execution of it however was needless to say, very misguided.

Singer chose to focus solely on how things had changed in Superman's personal life, and to top it off, he really made Lois come off as someone where a lot of people asked themselves as to why Superman would be so in love with this woman.

Added by the fact that Superman was presented in doing some questionable things (xraying Lois's house from afar), while being placed in a situation that raised everyone else's eyebrow (having a child with Lois out of wedlock while she's engaged to another man), made everyone's heads hurt.

In the end, I think SR was more less a concept (returning to Earth after a long time away to experience the changes) that would have been better suited for a sequel or something in a franchise instead of the start of it.

Maybe Singer wanted closure to the CR films; who knows? Whatever it is that he truly wanted, he may have gotten it, but at the expense and time of so many others (X Men Fans, Superman Fans, GA, Warner Bros)
 
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^ Good points. That's always been my only big issue with Returns, wasted potential.

I actually like the movie quite a bit. But it is a case of greatly missed opportunity, and not delivering on the promises of it's (really great) premise.

"A World Without Superman" is such a rich concept that I was hoping to see it explored in greater detail, beyond just "Lois moved on." How did the world move on, exactly? There was no hostility towards him when he returned, everything was immediately back to normal.

The biggest missed opportunity was Lex. Even if Singer wanted to loosely connect it to the Reeves films, how great would it have been if Superman returned only to find his greatest enemy had gone "legit" and become the most successful and loved man in Metropolis? It could've been a great segue from old school Lex into corporate Lex, and fit perfectly with the theme of the film.
 
Paste Pot Pete said:
^ Good points. That's always been my only big issue with Returns, wasted potential.

I actually like the movie quite a bit. But it is a case of greatly missed opportunity, and not delivering on the promises of it's (really great) premise.

"A World Without Superman" is such a rich concept that I was hoping to see it explored in greater detail, beyond just "Lois moved on." How did the world move on, exactly? There was no hostility towards him when he returned, everything was immediately back to normal.

The biggest missed opportunity was Lex. Even if Singer wanted to loosely connect it to the Reeves films, how great would it have been if Superman returned only to find his greatest enemy had gone "legit" and become the most successful and loved man in Metropolis? It could've been a great segue from old school Lex into corporate Lex, and fit perfectly with the theme of the film.
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Agreed. I remember reading in some interview prior towards the film being released that Superman earning back his title as the world's greatest hero would be shown in the film, and yet when the film finally came out; I didn't see any of it.

In fact, based on what I saw of the public presented in Superman's world, it was as if Superman never really left to begin with.

Singer said that he wanted Superman's absence to really be felt and that he wanted to present something that would be a constant reminder on how things would never go back to the way they once were. Instead of choosing to focus on the more realistic and better suited material of showing on how Superman's departure left a terrible mark on the world, he chose instead to hurt both Superman's and Lois's character even more, by having it focused on a scenario that sounded like something 'Melrose Place' would have done.

There was no keen difference in Lex's personality from the way he was supposedly in the first donner film, so really, I couldn't buy into him wanting revenge or whatnot.

And from what I had heard, Singer had spent so much money on things that he ended up not using, and spent more money on covering up those mistakes.
 
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