All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[metaphysician]

Wonder Woman's been out here since 1918, she fought in the Great War, reportedly in the Cold War and beside God in Batman v Superman yet no one seems to have noticed Wonder Woman, everyone's acting like she doesn't exist...For instance, Steppenwolf knows that Superman is "dead", the news of his demise reached across the Multiverse but he seems oblivious to Wonder Woman, Amanda Waller in Suicide Squad was like "what if there's another Superman" and crime is booming around the world, God went **** up, this is an auspicious time to be a criminal, no one's losing any sleep over Wonder Woman

I suppose the takeaway is that Women don't make History, even the Amazons' history consists of: created by Zeus - enslaved by Men - never put a foot outside Paradise Island, in a nutshell

*cough* Honestly, I suspect its more just sloppy writing from Snyder. The movie has everyone focusing on Superman not because of an intentional devaluing of other heroes, but simply because the idea that this creates issues with the other heroes present doesn't even come to mind. Its the whole "every frame a painting, every plot scribbled in crayon" virtue/vice.

Which does segue into my question: So, why is Steppenwolf only invading now? Sure, Superman died recently, but he was only active in any major way for a few years, tops. Why not invade then? And if the reason was "Because other heroes", why doesn't that apply now? And if Steppenwolf's belief that this invasion will work despite the current living JLAers, how is Superman supposed to change things? We've seen Wonder Woman in action, Superman is not some kind of vast difference in power.

The only really good answer I can manage is "There was a Green Lantern protecting this region until recently, but they are dead/missing". However, if a single Green Lantern makes more a difference for whether Apokalips feels like invading than all the various JLAers, that says some odd things about Lantern power level. Things that contradict being mentioned alongside Kryptonians, as if they were supposed to be comparable.

 

[regwec]

My hope is that the Ryan Reynolds GL movie will be incorporated into this mythos, and that evil Parallax Hal Jordan will be the villain and die in the sequel.

 

[The Guard]

*cough* Honestly, I suspect its more just sloppy writing from Snyder. The movie has everyone focusing on Superman not because of an intentional devaluing of other heroes, but simply because the idea that this creates issues with the other heroes present doesn't even come to mind. Its the whole "every frame a painting, every plot scribbled in crayon" virtue/vice.

Which does segue into my question: So, why is Steppenwolf only invading now? Sure, Superman died recently, but he was only active in any major way for a few years, tops. Why not invade then? And if the reason was "Because other heroes", why doesn't that apply now? And if Steppenwolf's belief that this invasion will work despite the current living JLAers, how is Superman supposed to change things? We've seen Wonder Woman in action, Superman is not some kind of vast difference in power.

The only really good answer I can manage is "There was a Green Lantern protecting this region until recently, but they are dead/missing". However, if a single Green Lantern makes more a difference for whether Apokalips feels like invading than all the various JLAers, that says some odd things about Lantern power level. Things that contradict being mentioned alongside Kryptonians, as if they were supposed to be comparable.

The Green Lantern thing makes sense. A GL can call in the Corps. No GL...not so much. The Corps. would have to know what is going on.

It could also have something to do with New Genesis, some kind of treaty, etc.

It could have to do with the Mother Box waking up and becoming part of Cyborg, since the Mother Boxes were supposed to be hidden and inactive.

Its also implied there are other worlds that have been conquered, which means Apokolips is conquering worlds on a fairly consistent basis, and they're bound to have somewhat finite resources. Maybe they were just waiting for when the time is right, Earth became a focal point, but then Superman showed up and Earth went to the bottom of the list. When he died, Earth moved up in the docket.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Happy bday to Patty Jenkins. Still shaped like a hnnngh coke bottle. Goddamn. Also Lynda Carter's birthday too.

 

[Eclipse]

I went to see this movie because of all the hype. I was actually shocked how mediocre this movie turned out to be...our mainstream culture is so ****ed up if this movie is really already enough...

 

[Thome216]

Okay, you didn't like the movie, so everybody else is effed up...

 

[Fallen Angel]

WonderWoman2 sets release date http://thr.cm/0D2VPe

It's official: Gal Gadot will return for a Wonder Woman sequel which has gotten a date from Warner Bros.

The follow-up to this year's superheroine film will hit theaters on December 13, 2019.
Talks with Wonder Woman director Patty Jenkins are ongoing.

 

[Web-Head]

WonderWoman2 sets release date http://thr.cm/0D2VPe

Nice! I knew it'd be a '19 release

 

[Benal]

God, they're rushing things. WB never learns, ah?

Ant Man. Released August 2015. Two years until they started filming the sequel - Ant Man And The Wasp. Just an example. In the same time frame WB wants to release a Wonder Woman movie. I get Iron Man 2 vibes from this.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Sure you do.

 

[Boom]

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - April 2014
Captain America: Civil War - May 2016

Two year gap.

Meanwhile, there's a 2.5 year gap between WW and WW2, and they've already been working on a script.

"Rushing things." Right.

 

[UncleSam1776]

God, they're rushing things. WB never learns, ah?

Ant Man. Released August 2015. Two years until they started filming the sequel - Ant Man And The Wasp. Just an example. In the same time frame WB wants to release a Wonder Woman movie. I get Iron Man 2 vibes from this.

Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
Spider-Man: Untitled Sequel (2019)

I get Iron Man 2 vibes from this.

 

[Benal]

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - April 2014
Captain America: Civil War - May 2016

Two year gap.

Meanwhile, there's a 2.5 year gap between WW and WW2.

"Rushing." Right.

Civil War was worked on since 2013 and Marvel filming schedule is much shorter. 4 months of shoot and 9 months of post on all of their movies.

Geoff Johns said he just started writing the script and with DC films 6 months of shoot and 13 months of post, that leaves them with about a 11 months to develop the script. Less than that actually, because they'll start pre-production about 5-6 months from now.

 

[Boom]

Civil War was worked on since 2013 and Marvel filming schedule is much shorter. 4 months of shoot and 9 months of post on all of their movies.

Geoff Johns said he just started writing the script and with DC films 6 months of shoot and a 13 months of post, that leaves them with about a 11 months to develop the script.

Benal, the principal photography period for a blockbuster film is typically 4-5 months. Let's go ahead and round it up to six months, to cover any potential reshoots. A healthy post-production period for a film this size is usually about a year. So we're looking at about a year and a half to actually produce the film.

It's two and a half years from now to the sequel's release. Take away the 1.5 year above and they effectively have one year to write the script and do all necessary pre-production work. It's plenty of time.

Nothing about this screams "rush job." But if you want to worry yourself for no reason whatsoever, knock yourself out.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Civil War was worked on since 2013 and Marvel filming schedule is much shorter. 4 months of shoot and 9 months of post on all of their movies.

Geoff Johns said he just started writing the script and with DC films 6 months of shoot and a 13 months of post, that leaves them with about a 11 months to develop the script.

lol no it wasn't. Civil War was a reaction to Batman v. Superman being announced on the date of the untitled Marvel movie.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Benal you can't be this much of a Marvel fanboy you start rewriting history.

 

[Juan1193]

So happy we're getting a sequel!! Wonder Woman deserves it!

And 2.5 years is plenty of time for a solid sequel!

 

[Benal]

Benal, the principal photography period for a blockbuster film is typically 4-5 months. Let's go ahead and round it up to six months, to cover any potential reshoots. A healthy post-production period for a film this size is usually about a year. So we're looking at about a year and a half to actually produce the film.

It's two and a half years from now to the sequel's release. Take away the 1.5 year above and they effectively have one year to write the script and do all necessary pre-production work. It's plenty of time.

Nothing about this screams "rush job" whatsoever. But if you want to worry yourself for no reason whatsoever, knock yourself out.

We'll talk in two and a half years, Boom

 

[Iceman]

Great to get a date! This film absolutely deserves a sequel.

 

[Benal]

lol no it wasn't. Civil War was a reaction to Batman v. Superman being announced on the date of the untitled Marvel movie.

"Markus and McFeely had been working on the screenplay since late 2013"

 

[Boom]

We'll talk in two and a half years, Boom

Sure thing.

 

[Zero_Effect]

"Markus and McFeely had been working on the screenplay since late 2013"

A direct sequel to Winter Solider. Not what became Civil War.

 

[Micromind]

Weren't Marvel making Captain America : Serpent Society before they realized that WB was making Batman V Superman ?

Then, Kevin Feige changed his plans and decided to make Civil War ? So, they started preparing after WB did for BvS.

 

[Boom]

Perhaps we should relocate this discussion to the sequel board.

 

[AulaMagna]

*cough* Honestly, I suspect its more just sloppy writing from Snyder. The movie has everyone focusing on Superman not because of an intentional devaluing of other heroes, but simply because the idea that this creates issues with the other heroes present doesn't even come to mind. Its the whole "every frame a painting, every plot scribbled in crayon" virtue/vice.

Which does segue into my question: So, why is Steppenwolf only invading now? Sure, Superman died recently, but he was only active in any major way for a few years, tops. Why not invade then? And if the reason was "Because other heroes", why doesn't that apply now? And if Steppenwolf's belief that this invasion will work despite the current living JLAers, how is Superman supposed to change things? We've seen Wonder Woman in action, Superman is not some kind of vast difference in power.

The only really good answer I can manage is "There was a Green Lantern protecting this region until recently, but they are dead/missing". However, if a single Green Lantern makes more a difference for whether Apokalips feels like invading than all the various JLAers, that says some odd things about Lantern power level. Things that contradict being mentioned alongside Kryptonians, as if they were supposed to be comparable.

Originally, the plan was to have Superman be the first slash the game changer but then WB figured they needed to bang out a WW movie asap before Marvel beat them to the punch so the suits tell Zack Snyder to squeeze Wonder Woman into BvS. However, this forces them to set her origin story in the past and since MoS had already established that Superman was the first public superhero, they also have to make Wonder Woman disappear. Snyder comes up with this idea is that she lost faith in mankind and walked away, that's what they're going with, they shoot WW. But then Batman v Superman opens to horrible reviews which leads to a change of plans, it's now of the utmost importance that Wonder Woman is not too dark and that it ends on an optimistic note. That's essentially what happened