BvS Amy Adams IS Lois Lane - Part 3

[Black Narcissus]

Henry walks in....

 

[MrsKent26]

Haha. I understand how you feel, Amy.

 

[Johnlambert2]

I don't think the person was implying that there aren't perfectly healthy relationships where a man is 23 years older than a woman. Heck, I know several couples where the man is 20 years older and they are extremely happy. That's not gross at all.

What's "gross" is that it is a statistical fact that as men age in Hollywood their love interests stay the same age contributing to this terrible cultural problem. The data has been compiled on this and it was featured on several websites last year.

You can read the data here: http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/leading-men-age-but-their-love-interests-dont.html

It's not gross at all for two consenting adults who are 23 years apart to be in a relationship. But it is gross that this problem has become standard in Hollywood because it DOES have a severe impact on the way both men and women view age and gender.

Women like Amy Adams and Sandra Bullock are fighting this fight for us right now as they are sometimes being paired with age appropriate men or even younger actors. I actually saw someone talking about this openly on twitter last week---about how POSITIVE it is to have a mass franchise like SUPERMAN that is so huge in the media featuring an age appropriate actress with a slightly younger man. This is a HUGE deal and it's a huge first step. But it's just a crack in the glass. All we can do is hope that more and more franchises get called out on this stuff and start to correct this wrong.

But Amy cannot fight this fight alone. The culture absolutely has to change. And the only way we get to that change is if we can talk about this stuff and make people learn and understand that this is a serious problem and that is DOES impact our kids growing up to see this stuff.

I assume this is what the other poster meant and I assume you did know this. But I think this is where they were coming from?

I think Adams casting in "Man of Steel" was clearly a good sign along these lines.

One point I want to bring up is this is not a new problem. The film "Easter Parade" from the 1940s had a romantic pairing of Judy Garland with Fred Astaire. True, they brought in Astaire to replace Gene Kelly at the last moment, but no one would have ever considered an age difference of over 25 years the other way.

 

[Johnlambert2]

To the extent that some political layer can be read into Lois Lane, it is that one can contrast her attitudes in the film to those of the authorities. Her approach is one of trust towards Clark Kent, which was well-earned given her investigation, as she says to him when they first met, she thinks he can't help himself but to help others. It's in direct contrast to the military's paranoia handing over Clark and investigating him with predator drones, etc, and ultimately her approach is more effective.

This is one of the reasons I really like "Man of Steel". While Lois always has had a special and unique relationship with Superman, she is a much more active protector of his identity here than she has every been on the large screen.

Arguably we saw Lois the protector of Superman in "Smallville" (at least of "The Flash") and even in "Lois and Clark", but the role comes up much sooner in "Man of Steel", and requires her to risk a lot more.

 

[Johnlambert2]

Well yeah, she treats Clark like a doormat. That's an aspect of her character that I'll miss.

In "Lois and Clark", Clark pretty much quashed Lois treating him as a doormat by the third episode. I think this is probably related to changes from the 1986 reboot, changes that have not until "Man of Steel" made it to the big screen. "Superman Returns" was the last hurrah for Silver-age Superman.

 

[Wildcard]

^ And thank God for that. I'm so over the ridiculously goofy & constantly walked over version of Clark Kent. If you're going to go that route I think there's a way to find good balance (TAS, Smallville, various comics, etc.).

I've always hated the idea of Lois constantly looking past Clark & only having eyes for Superman. I always liked the idea of Lois being in love with both personalities & then having the benefit of finding out they are the same man.

 

[Johnlambert2]

That's how I felt too. The impression Amy's Lois gave me was that she was sweet and soft-spoken, as opposed to the feisty, sassy Lois I've always known. It's just her natural persona; its hard for her to not come across as sweet and gentle. Yes, she's a very talented actress, and her various nominations speak for themselves. But that doesn't mean she can be convincing playing every type of character (no actor/actress can). You put it quite well- a kitten that swears still appears cute. While an actress with a sweet, gentle personality can play a feisty, sassy character, it sure won't be as convincing as an actress who is herself feisty and sassy naturally.

But my opinion seem to be in the minority, as most people on this board seem to really like Amy's performance as Lois.

(and just a disclaimer, in case people think I'm an Amy hater. I think she's wonderful, just miscast in this particular role)

I didn't get any "sweat" or "soft spoken" vibes from Lois in "Man of Steel". I got "caring" and "comforting" vibes, but that is different. I have to wonder if my reaction was different than some others because this was only the second place I had seen her perform (the first was in "The Office").

I wonder if other people fail to disassociate her from her other roles.

On the other hand, it might be because I really thought Kidder's Lois was too rude and willing to stomp on other people.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Dude multi quote.

 

[DA_Champion]

^ And thank God for that. I'm so over the ridiculously goofy & constantly walked over version of Clark Kent. If you're going to go that route I think there's a way to find good balance (TAS, Smallville, various comics, etc.).

I've always hated the idea of Lois constantly looking past Clark & only having eyes for Superman. I always liked the idea of Lois being in love with both personalities & then having the benefit of finding out they are the same man.

Within Lois and Clark, Lois has a crush on Superman, but she is in love with Clark Kent, by the middle of the first season.

 

[Johnlambert2]

I wouldn't call it romance...it was definitely light romantic comedy and doesn't hold up well over time. I prefer supes on the big screen with a large budget or in animation as opposed to the small screen. I agree that the romance is a big part of it, but I like it mixed with other stuff. The fact that superman can offer something to almost every viewer is what makes it less than ideal to limit him to romantic comedy.

I have to say I absolutely love "Lois and Clark", and I never saw any of it until 2012. Of course I love romantic situation comedies, and also love the TV show "Get Smart", so maybe it just fits my taste.

"Superman: The Movie" Just feels much more dated. The way they portray African-Americans is down right horrible. "Lois and Clark" still has few African-Americans, but they have them in respectable roles, not totally marginalized.

The feel of the newsroom in "Lois and Clark" is much more believable. I also have to say Luthor is a much more workable villain.

I do like "Man of Steel" kicking the whole "Love triangle built for two" angle. They kept Lois in the dark far to long in L&C. Others not getting CK=SM worked, but when she was his best friend, and his girlfriend, and still took the heightened awareness of near death to clue in, it was a bit much.

Still, I would blame most of this on people who were probably dead by the time L&C came out. It really is more a result of comics executives deciding against the plan to let Lois learn CK=SM back in the 1940s, and the comic keeping Lois out of the know for decades. People developed so many ways for Lois to be kept out of the know, that the TV show was tempted to run with them.

 

[Johnlambert2]

Personally, I think rather or not you like L&C or other earlier incarnations of Superman has more to do with age. It was a different age for some, so if you weren't there to view it in the time frame then it may seem corny or whatever. Lois and Clark was a very good show. It had some very funny moments and it did more to progress the relationship of Lois and Clark than any other show or medium about Superman. It also heavily influenced Smallville.

It is still the only live action incarnation where we get Lois and Clark past marriage and into living together as a married couple.

They even have a child show up at the very end, although I would change the last 5 minutes or so, so it wouldn't be so crazy, but that's just me.

I think the high point of the show is when Lois choses Clark over Superman, and that makes all their odd twists, turns and Lois not realizing when she should before that acceptable.

On the other hand, her figuring out from a touch is complicated by the fact she has kissed both Clark and Superman before that. In the first season she kisses Clark on screen 3 times (and may pull in a few off screen kisses while she is under the influence of a love potion, but that is debatable), and kisses Superman twice.

 

[Johnlambert2]

Within Lois and Clark, Lois has a crush on Superman, but she is in love with Clark Kent, by the middle of the first season.

Which she denies to herself and to Clark later on. At least she admits it to herself by the end of the first season, but then Clark goes and takes back his declaration of love because he would rather stay friends with her than risk her having nothing to do with him at all.

In "Man of Steel"'s sequel they have set up a tough story to tell. How will they keep us focused on Lois and Clark's relationship without using the time honored issues of her getting mad at Clark for having to run off for reasons that he can't explain without telling her he is Superman?

 

[MrsKent26]

I didn't get any "sweat" or "soft spoken" vibes from Lois in "Man of Steel". I got "caring" and "comforting" vibes, but that is different. I have to wonder if my reaction was different than some others because this was only the second place I had seen her perform (the first was in "The Office").

I wonder if other people fail to disassociate her from her other roles.

On the other hand, it might be because I really thought Kidder's Lois was too rude and willing to stomp on other people.

I've followed Amy's work and I got the same impression of Lois. I love what they did with her character. There are a couple Lois incarnations I find too harsh or aloof. I know she has tough city girl tendencies, can be annoyingly persistent or harsh at times, but I really believe she should have multiple facets that include a softer, caring side that comes out more around Clark. She shouldn't be some perpetually snarking "city chick" parody. I can see why she'd be tough a lot, especially as a woman in her field. She'd have to be tough and perhaps pushy to get ahead. I think she'd be more tough at work than anywhere else. Amy's Lois did display this. But I also like how she's more tender with Clark because frankly, he needed that. It allowed him to reveal more about his alien roots to her. I like the idea that they both show each other parts of themselves that others rarely see.

 

[Johnlambert2]

I've followed Amy's work and I got the same impression of Lois. I love what they did with her character. There are a couple Lois incarnations I find too harsh or aloof. I know she has tough city girl tendencies, can be annoyingly persistent or harsh at times, but I really believe she should have multiple facets that include a softer, caring side that comes out more around Clark. She shouldn't be some perpetually snarking "city chick" parody. I can see why she'd be tough a lot, especially as a woman in her field. She'd have to be tough and perhaps pushy to get ahead. I think she'd be more tough at work than anywhere else. Amy's Lois did display this. But I also like how she's more tender with Clark because frankly, he needed that. It allowed him to reveal more about his alien roots to her. I like the idea that they both show each other parts of themselves that others rarely see.

We get a lot more of Lois interacting with Clark, especially in the scenes that really stick out, than we get of Lois at work. I hope we get to see a lot more of Lois at work in the next film.

However I am glad they did not just keep the past dynamics. The situation of women journalists in 2014 is not the same as in 1978, let alone 1938.

I think MOS captured this. No one pegs Lois as unique because of her gender. The main reason Lois has to be tenacious is because she is seeking to be the cutting edge journalist who gets the top stories of anyone.

I would love to have seen more investigation by Lois, and to actually have learned what she got her Pulitzer for. Still, I see why they did not go deeper into that, and have hope we get to see more of Lois investigating in the sequel. Adams clearly has the skill to play a very strong Lois in the next film, and I hope Goyer, Snyder and the others involved keep that in mind as they form the film.

 

[Reel-Man]

t:

Where is this stuff from, is it the special edition of the blu-ray or something? Cos I have the normal blu-ray which has some BTS the scenes stuff but there's a lot missing...

Can someone answer this question?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Can someone answer this question?

I believe it's in one of the editions of the blu ray/DVD but not sure which one man there's a few around.

 

[Reel-Man]

Too many damn versions around.

 

[charl_huntress]

It is still the only live action incarnation where we get Lois and Clark past marriage and into living together as a married couple.

They even have a child show up at the very end, although I would change the last 5 minutes or so, so it wouldn't be so crazy, but that's just me.

I think the high point of the show is when Lois choses Clark over Superman, and that makes all their odd twists, turns and Lois not realizing when she should before that acceptable.

On the other hand, her figuring out from a touch is complicated by the fact she has kissed both Clark and Superman before that. In the first season she kisses Clark on screen 3 times (and may pull in a few off screen kisses while she is under the influence of a love potion, but that is debatable), and kisses Superman twice.

Yeah, there were some high points to the show. My favorite season is the second season. I also thought they did a good job of maintaining the show's allure after Lois found out the secret, which was a big concern. Eventually the shine wore off, but I thought they did a good job. When I was younger that was one of my favorite shows. I made sure to tune in when it came on.

Dude multi quote.

t: It took me about 7 years to figure out multi-quote, but when I did it changed my Hype life forever!!!!

 

[John-An]

I would like this hair color for Lois or a more brownish for her. But this is good

 

[MrMaooz]

I would like more butt shots like that in the sequel.

 

[Wildcard]

I would like more butt shots like that in the sequel.

Haha you just made me think about this one time I was watching MoS with my friend. Right when she answers the phone before the FBI shows up there's a quick butt shot & the first thing my friend says is "damn, Lois has a nice ass."

So yes, Amy needs more butt shots in the sequel. t:

 

[Johnlambert2]

I just hope Lois has a larger role in the sequel and more overall screen time.

I do have to admit I would not mind if we get to see her dress up for an awards banquet, or some formal dinner where she and Clark are meeting Bruce Wayne, but what I want most of all is for her to be present and doing important things.

MOS gave us a slight taste of the type of journalist she is, but I would love to see more. I have to say on the whole it seemed a reasoned and good portrayal of her journalistic abilities.

 

[charl_huntress]

I just hope Lois has a larger role in the sequel and more overall screen time.

I do have to admit I would not mind if we get to see her dress up for an awards banquet, or some formal dinner where she and Clark are meeting Bruce Wayne, but what I want most of all is for her to be present and doing important things.

MOS gave us a slight taste of the type of journalist she is, but I would love to see more. I have to say on the whole it seemed a reasoned and good portrayal of her journalistic abilities.

You are reading my mind. My biggest concern is Adams will not have a large presence in the movie with Wondy and Bats there also.

 

[Herolee10]

Given that this isn't being treated as a 'trinity' film, I really don't think Wonder Woman is going to be presented as THE FEMALE lead next to Henry's Superman and Ben's Batman.

She (Wonder Woman) could very well just have something similar to what Antje had as Faora.

 

[charl_huntress]

I...hope that is the case. In fact I would be happy if it were, but...I don't know. I have no faith until I see the movie.