The Force Awakens Andy Serkis as Supreme Leader Snoke - Part 1

[BatLobster]

They surprised us with TFA without lying. Again you are implying they need to lie to not tell everyone who everyone is. That just isn't true. It is clear what they are hiding about Snoke. Namely who gave him those injuries.

They don't need to, but it's entirely possible that an actor might slip up and lie to cover their bases rather than opt out of answering a question. JJ isn't always over their shoulder to guide them. And I'm saying if that happened, it wouldn't be the end of the world because it's not their job to be honest with us all the time.

But that's just it. THEY know who he is. WE have yet to find out the whole story. And whoever they chose for him to be, Plagueis or not, WE won't know 100% until we've seen the film. And like I said, anothing that's official today can be changed tomorrow. The film hasn't begun principal photography yet and scripts change even during the shooting process.

I'm excited to see where this all goes, regardless

Agreed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But that's just it. THEY know who he is. WE have yet to find out the whole story. And whoever they chose for him to be, Plagueis or not, WE won't know 100% until we've seen the film. And like I said, anothing that's official today can be changed tomorrow. The film hasn't begun principal photography yet and scripts change even during the shooting process.

I'm excited to see where this all goes, regardless

And Serkis told us he isn't Plagueis. Snoke the original character is backed but what little we know officially, from the film to the other new bits of canon.

 

[kickass]

I am so happy Hux and Phasma are returning.

 

[BatLobster]

It'd be hilarious if the movies never do anything to directly contradict the idea of him being Plagueis, and you still have both camps even after the new trilogy. I could honestly see that happening. It would drive Darth nuts forever. Mwahahaha

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They don't need to, but it's entirely possible that an actor might slip up and lie to cover their bases rather than opt out of answering a question. JJ isn't always over their shoulder to guide them. And I'm saying if that happened, it wouldn't be the end of the world because it's not their job to be honest with us all the time.

But assuming they would lie to back a theory with little to no merit doesn't suddenly make it true. Which is exactly why this argument, like the other weird theories coming into TFA, make little to no sense. You have to want to believe this and assume they just started lying when they haven't been.

If we simply look at what we know about Snoke, there is very little chance he isn't a new character. Unless you believe Leia let this beat up, have dead looking guy near her son and that the Senate weren't suspicion of him at all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It'd be hilarious if the movies never do anything to directly contradict the idea of him being Plagueis, and you still have both camps even after the new trilogy. I could honestly see that happening. It would drive Darth nuts forever. Mwahahaha

I have problems with him being Plagueis in terms of storytelling. But I allowed for the possibility before TFA. Now I see no evidence whatsoever of this being a thing. Not with the clear hints in the movie that Kylo and Leia had contact with Snoke in the past.

 

[BatLobster]

If we simply look at what we know about Snoke, there is very little chance he isn't a new character. Unless you believe Leia let this beat up, have dead looking guy near her son and that the Senate weren't suspicion of him at all.

The galaxy has been war-torn on and off for years. Those scars could easily be spun into any number of 'sympathetic' backstories. Look, I don't want to keep going back and forth on this over and over but IMO there is no "smoking gun" for either theory yet, and that is part of the fun. I think with enough creative writing, there are plenty of directions that could be made to work for Snoke. If you have issues storytelling-wise for Plagueis, fair enough, but I don't share them as of now. Maybe I'll see something in VIII that changes my mind.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Now I see no evidence whatsoever of this being a thing. Not with the clear hints in the movie that Kylo and Leia had contact with Snoke in the past.

That doesn't mean much tbh since you would need to know both the backstory of TFA and what the character of plaguies would do which you don't

they would have the freedom to do what they wanted which wouldn't have any rules of plaguies can't do this or plaguies can't do that

 

[GuestStar2004]

And Serkis told us he isn't Plagueis. Snoke the original character is backed but what little we know officially, from the film to the other new bits of canon.

Well since it's not a competition would Andy say even if he was? I am assuming it's a secret for a reason

 

[jaqua99]

This is not Fiege. Lucasfilms made a big point of saying they would be honest and open here. JJ mentioned it as well. It is exactly why they started talking about the movie so much after the film was released. They kept their mouths shut for so long. I have followed this film as close as anyone here, with the exception of Magnar. They have not lied, and have not given any impression that they will. They just avoided the questions about Snoke they did not want to answer, just like with every other character they were asked about.

This is also not Thanos. That is another weird thing about this, people are acting like Plagueis is the Emperor or Vader. He isn't. He is a footnote.

Snoke could be a brand spanken new character, new to the story as you said. A throw away line stating Snoke trained palpatine would have no serious effect on Snoke's relationship with the current story.
You didn't even answer my question Darth, I didn't ask you to attempted to rationalize it as irrelevant, you just deflected it. Your bias against it seems personal, like you have a sort of investment in this. Why? Why is others having even a neutral stance not acceptable and worthy of being "proven wrong"? Why does him being the first sith work in your eyes. (Which is still an awesome idea in my opinion)

 

[Golgo-13]

I am so happy Hux and Phasma are returning.

I've been watching a lot of netflix lately,and it seems like Domhall Gleeson is in everything!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Now I saw a thumbnail picture on Youtube theorizing Snoke is Kylo Ren from the future.

 

[spiderman2]

Now I saw a thumbnail picture on Youtube theorizing Snoke is Kylo Ren from the future.

Why not? We have never had time travel in a star wars movie before

But really I think Serkis is lying and that it is really the first sith guy that people have been talking about.

 

[Snow Queen]

Why not? We have never had time travel in a star wars movie before

But really I think Serkis is lying and that it is really the first sith guy that people have been talking about.

Plagueis isn't the first Sith, if that's who you mean.

 

[spiderman2]

Plagueis isn't the first Sith, if that's who you mean.

I thought Plagueis the guy that trained the empire was the first sith? I know people have been thinking that but that still doesn't mean it would just be something boring just because people predicted it. It would bring up a lot of interesting questions such has why did the empire think he was died? Where was he during the another star wars movies? What was he doing during that time? ect

 

[Snow Queen]

I thought Plagueis the guy that trained the empire was the first sith? I know people have been thinking that but that still doesn't mean it would just be something boring just because people predicted it. It would bring up a lot of interesting questions such has why did the empire think he was died? Where was he during the another star wars movies? What was he doing during that time? ect

Plagueis trained Palpatine, but there were Sith for centuries prior, including Momin and Bane. Why Palpatine thought he was dead isn't much of a question, the answer is simply that he killed him as Revenge of the Sith implies.

 

[spiderman2]

Plagueis trained Palpatine, but there were Sith for centuries prior, including Momin and Bane. Why Palpatine thought he was dead isn't much of a question, the answer is simply that he killed him as Revenge of the Sith implies.

I didn't know about momin and bane has I only know what is in the movies not the books. But it was also said in revenge of the sith that plagueis could cheat death. Random question but do you some times have issues with this forum saying the message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 3 characters? I never had that issue in till like a week or 2 ago and know I am getting it all the time. Getting annoying to type something only for that to come up and then I have to retype ever thing again.

 

[Marvolo]

I didn't know about momin and bane has I only know what is in the movies not the books. But it was also said in revenge of the sith that plagueis could cheat death. Random question but do you some times have issues with this forum saying the message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 3 characters? I never had that issue in till like a week or 2 ago and know I am getting it all the time. Getting annoying to type something only for that to come up and then I have to retype ever thing again.

There has been a 3 character minimum as long as I have been here.

Just make youre responses and posts 3 characters or longer. A quote doesnt count towards the character count of a post. For example, Ive quoted your post. Even tho the quoted portion itself has way more than 3 characters in it those characters dont count towards the character vount of my post. So I have to put in at least a 3 characte response to the post Im quoting.

Just make sure your posts and responses have 3 characters or nore and you wont see that message.

If you are getting the message with posts that are longer than three characters it might be a browser issue. Are you typing up a post and then waiting a while to submit it? If you do that then the browser page might be timing out or something like that.

 

[spiderman2]

There has been a 3 character minimum as long as I have been here.

Just make youre responses and posts 3 characters or longer. A quote doesnt count towards the character count of a post. For example, Ive quoted your post. Even tho the quoted portion itself has way more than 3 characters in it those characters dont count towards the character vount of my post. So I have to put in at least a 3 characte response to the post Im quoting.

Just make sure your posts and responses have 3 characters or nore and you wont see that message.

If you are getting the message with posts that are longer than three characters it might be a browser issue. Are you typing up a post and then waiting a while to submit it? If you do that then the browser page might be timing out or something like that.

I am getting that message even when I do type more then 3 characters. My last respons on hear tonight before this one I had type what you just saw and got that message about the 3 characters and had to re type it. It is very annoying it acts like I didn't post any thing even when I do and like I said it just started happening in the last like week or 2. I know if you take a while to submit that some times you will be singed out but even then if I just sing back in my post tends to still get posted so its not that. Its just for some reason it acts like I didn't post any thing even when I do. I would say it happening on like 40% of my post now. Not sure what is going on with that.

 

[Marvolo]

Might want to post about this in the tech sub forum that way the mods know about it.

 

[spiderman2]

Might want to post about this in the tech sub forum that way the mods know about it.

Oh ok got you

 

[Akimych]

That scar which Rey gave to Kylo with the last saberkick is a little bit similar to that one Snoke has... Can it be that Snoke is a hologram of Kylo Ren in future?

 

[DKDetective]

I didn't know about momin and bane has I only know what is in the movies not the books. But it was also said in revenge of the sith that plagueis could cheat death. Random question but do you some times have issues with this forum saying the message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 3 characters? I never had that issue in till like a week or 2 ago and know I am getting it all the time. Getting annoying to type something only for that to come up and then I have to retype ever thing again.

The whole emphasis of the opera scene with Palpatine is that the great Darth Plagueis the Wise, who was obsessed with immortality and who possibly created life through the Force (Anakin), could ironically not cheat death and that Palpatine killed him. It is a scene about the greatness of the ultimate villain, Palpatine, that he was able to betray and kill his wonderful master who had such great powers. The scene loses all meaning if Palpatine was unsuccessful. It also ruins one of the well-written scenes in the prequels. That is why Darth and I are so fed up with the Plagueis theories. Saying that he survived or came back nerfs the big bad of the OT to establish a new villain. It is bad story telling and a retcon. It's a cheap device out of Dragonball Z or western comics to establish the credibility of a new villain by implying that he is greater and more powerful than past villains.

The implication from the MSW rumours and the TFA novelization is that Snoke is a new character whose significance and power is already known to Luke and Leia, that he somehow wormed himself close to the heroes in the years after the Empire's fall and corrupted Ben before his duplicity was discovered.

However, I think Darth is jumping to conclusions to think that the Snoke we have seen is the character's actual appearance. As danoyse has said, there is some really strong Wizard of Oz imagery going on. I also don't think that Snoke is a Sith in any way shape or form. It's obvious that he has cultivated Kylo's obsession with his grandfather. Wouldn't it serve his goals to be open with Kylo about being a Sith and recruit him as his Sith apprentice? Why hide his Sith nature then? The idea of the Knights of Ren and Kylo not being a Sith doesn't make a lot of sense then.

 

[kickass]

That scar which Rey gave to Kylo with the last saberkick is a little bit similar to that one Snoke has... Can it be that Snoke is a hologram of Kylo Ren in future?

No. Of course it's possible, they can do whatever they want with the story as it stands. But it's not an idea I like at this stage, and the scar is in a totally different place. Snoke has a scar running down his scalp. Kylo's is across his face (I believe in the same area Han touched before he fell).

 

[Marvolo]

That scar which Rey gave to Kylo with the last saberkick is a little bit similar to that one Snoke has... Can it be that Snoke is a hologram of Kylo Ren in future?

Kylo's injury isnt similar to Snoke's at all. Kylo was cut from the right side of his neck up the right side of his face. Snoke's scar is on the top middle of his forehead extending to the middle top of his head.