The Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman XX

[Brother Jack]

It depends on if Bane exposes the truth about the Two-Face murders along with unmasking Batman. If he doesn't reveal Dent's true nature then the public would hate Bruce Wayne as they hate Batman, but if he does, the public would probably admire his selflessness (despite the fact that he's been lying to them all this time, both with what Harvey did and with his secret identity as Batman).

 

[Visceral]

I've been yakking about Catwoman's characterization ever since she was anounced for this film, and I have to say that the conversations on this board are somewhat flawed. First off, being a stripper isn't being a prostitute so its not exactly the Year One characterization.

Still, everyone needs to understand there is no characterization without this basis.

Even in the comics were she is just a high society thief, the reason she targets the types of people she does is completely ignored. The theme of pain might be present as she is attacking people she believes have held her down and made her work crappy part of life.

The ugly Year One characterization creates the beautiful robin hood-esque picture perfect family friendly version of the character everyone clamors for. The family friendly version though makes no mention of what formed her world view in the first place.

Nolan will go for the existential and psychological reasons for each characters costumes and worldviews the prostitute/stripper background is somewhat necessary.

Its interesting tho that we now possibly have pain involved in most of the characters motivations.

Bruce=loss of parents and friends
Miranda Talia=loss of father
Bane=raised in a prison, broken face, all he has ever known is pain.
LOS=full of nothing but vengeful people.
Catwoman=revenge against the socialites for her terrible life.

I wonder who will rise above it.

 

[The_Raganork]

Agreed.



The public think Batman killed all those people including Harvey Dent, I would imagine they have a great distaste and hate for him. Bane comes in acting has the city's savior of sorts and destroys Batman which might spark the public to start believing in him. Now imagine what the public might think once they they find out who Batman is, Bruce Wayne billionaire playboy who is also fighting fist and knuckle everynight for Gotham .IDK I'm sure someone will have a better example.

Not to mention Bruce Killing Harvey may not make much sense. He funded Harvey's campaign and was friends with Harvey's "squeeze".

The people of Gotham are going to learn the truth about Harvey one way or another.

But I'm not sure If Bane is going to expose Bruce...

But I do think Bruce's secret will come out

 

[Doc Samson]

IF Bane is setting gotham against the rich and the wealthy and showing Gotham that corporate injustice is something the citizens of Gotham need to take a stand against, then exposing Bruce wayne as Batman could reverse everything Bane has tried to set up.

If the people knew Batman was the rich playboy Bruce Wayne, that the man who fought crime with his bare hands was a billionaire then they may take a different look on the wealthy and Bane's grip on gotham's psyche could be put in danger

This is why I think Bruce Wayne, the billionaire playboy, is more his target, at least at first. Even if (or when) he finds out who Batman is, that's never really been his MO to reveal it to the world. He just wants to crush him.

And like I've been saying, if Bruce reveals his identity at all, I hope it's while he's captured with the rich people so that he can inspire them to do more. I think that could be quite powerful. Maybe he has to do just that, given the circumstances.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Im starting to think Bruce will be outed to end the trilogy

 

[Visceral]

oops double post

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm almost positive Bruce secret is revealed in this film

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's more to do with going into a physically active profession involving danger and thinking stilettos would be a good idea as part of your default gear. Said classes or instances involving stunts in heels are usually under the pretenses of working with what you have, when presented with a fight or flight scenario.

With Bats, even though much of his suit is rather impractical and merely given the illusion of functionality, the biggest reason for retaining them is it maintains the iconography. You don't have this issue with Catwoman. Even though the stilettos have been extremely prevalent in her depictions, it has little effect on her overall aesthetic. Thus, especially in a world that Nolan has set up, it would have made more sense to excise them altogether and avoid the pondering doubts of incorporation.

I can understand on these points why the stilettos do not offer fans, such as yourself, an indulgence. Despite Catwoman employing the heels in the comics, it's not a mandatory component.

With that being said, we've had fantasy-based moments and characters which allows for a few sight amnesties in the series.

Having a trivial purpose is a marginal improvement in excusing its existence on the suit, but a heel will forever be a product of fashion. Claims can be made of acclimation, but when all is said and done a serious argument can't be made why they are necessary or superior to flat footwear.

Acceptable, but I don't think anyone is making that point. The stilettos are more than likely a fashion choice that happens to serve another purpose.

 

[AnneFan]

Im starting to think Bruce will be outed to end the trilogy

I've been thinking that for a while.

 

[Mako]

Maybe he outs himself?

 

[The_Raganork]

Maybe he outs himself?

I'm leaning to this.

 

[kvz5]

Maybe he outs himself?

I also think if Bruce's secret is to be revealed, it will be because of his choice and it will be on his own terms.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm leaning to this.

Yeah. I posted something days ago about how Mr Reese said he was waiting for Batman to do the right thing, to turn himself in and give in to Joker's demands. Bruce didn't want to do that, and thought the time wasn't right, and the big public reveal wouldn't stop much of anything. He might think the reveal in TDKR will do something, smash Bane's message. The public will see the rich guy was sacrificing himself every night for their safety.

 

[Mako]

I also think if Bruce's secret is to be revealed, it will be because of his choice and it will be on his own terms.

Agreed, If Bruce is in fact revealed I would rather it be his own doing.

 

[Just_Human]

I have the feeling Gordon already suspects that Bruce is Batman

 

[TDKR2012]

I'm almost positive Bruce secret is revealed in this film

It's 100% Bane will know (k... maybe 99%),
but as for the rest of gotham... maybe,

As for the prison scene where Bane says "... you have my permission to die", with this recent spoiler news, we don't know if Bane knows Bruce Wayne is Batman at that point in the film... he could just be saying it to Bruce Wayne as the prince of gotham to watch it all burn to the ground.

I think he looks beaten up because he tries to fight some of the guards of the prison, but fails, then is mocked by Bane for trying to be a hero and die trying...

It goes something like:

Bane: There's no point in trying to be a hero Mr. Wayne,

Bane: When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die.

 

[AnneFan]

Bane will know his secret. But I see him keeping it a secret. A few of his men, the guys pointing the guns during the fight, would know as well, but would keep their mouths shut about it. I mean, we saw how fanatical they are towards him. in the opening sequence, one willingly sacrifices his life to be in the wreckage. Smash Bruce, throw him in jail, tear down everything about him and all he loves outside, go back to him and then do the coup de grace.

 

[KRIM]

I can understand on these points why the stilettos do not offer fans, such as yourself, an indulgence. Despite Catwoman employing the heels in the comics, it's not a mandatory component.

With that being said, we've had fantasy-based moments and characters which allows for a few sight amnesties in the series.

In the grand scheme of things I'm sure it'll be a tiny nuisance at best. I only find it perplexing that Catwoman has managed to function outside of the expected rules of Nolan's world, despite being the most easily adapted in her current form. Her exclusion from these bounds only makes me ponder on what the other villains could have "gotten away with", that I feel were sacrificed as a result of Nolan's artistic choices.

I also think if Bruce's secret is to be revealed, it will be because of his choice and it will be on his own terms.

I'd rather it be out of his hands. There are significant advantages in working outside of the public eye, and I would hope Bruce sees it is to his utmost benefit that his secret identity remains hidden at all costs.

If the unveiling serves as a means for Gotham to rally behind their protector, the reactionary response of their imprudent revelation would be more effective via a third-party. Preferably the future target they set their indignation upon. Having Batman directly involved hampers Gotham's discovery that their prodigal son has sacrificed his mind, body, and legacy to ensure their survival. Don't let the hero tell the people what to do. Let the people make their own decisions. Prove to Bruce (once again) that Gotham can pull itself together.

 

[The_Raganork]

I'd rather it be out of his hands. There are significant advantages in working outside of the public eye, and I would hope Bruce sees it is to his utmost benefit that his secret identity remains hidden at all costs.

If the unveiling serves as a means for Gotham to rally behind their protector, the reactionary response of their imprudent revelation would be more effective via a third-party. Preferably the future target they set their indignation upon. Having Batman directly involved hampers Gotham's discovery that their prodigal son has sacrificed his mind, body, and legacy to ensure their survival. Don't let the hero tell the people what to do. Let the people make their own decisions. Prove to Bruce (once again) that Gotham can pull itself together.

You've assumed a lot from just someone saying Batman outs himself.

He simply needs to say "I'm Batman" and turn the tables on Bane's idea that the wealthy are greedy.

The people decide what to do next but now they have full disclosure and they know one of them is out there fighting for them

 

[KRIM]

You've assumed a lot from just someone saying Batman outs himself.

He simply needs to say "I'm Batman" and turn the tables on Bane's idea that the wealthy are greedy.

The people decide what to do next but now they have full disclosure and they know one of them is out there fighting for them

The implications would be clear in his words. Bruce himself saying it is basically telling Gotham to wake up, because he's on their side. There would be no other reason to reveal himself.

I find it more hard-hitting should Gotham find out through other means, while Bats is still out there choosing to take it all on by himself.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So this scene described on the front page makes it sound like Catwoman is working with Bane.....hmmmmmmmm.

Bane will know his secret. But I see him keeping it a secret. A few of his men, the guys pointing the guns during the fight, would know as well, but would keep their mouths shut about it. I mean, we saw how fanatical they are towards him. in the opening sequence, one willingly sacrifices his life to be in the wreckage. Smash Bruce, throw him in jail, tear down everything about him and all he loves outside, go back to him and then do the coup de grace.

This was a post I made on the identity issue in another thread:

The only way I can see Batman not being exposed to Gotham is if Bane chooses not to. Maybe he wants to keep the fear of defeating the Bat fresh in people's mind, if he mortalizes the symbol and simply shows he beat playboy Bruce Wayne in a high tech suit he may feel he'll lose the mythical perception his defeat of Batman has afforded him.

 

[jmc]

In the grand scheme of things I'm sure it'll be a tiny nuisance at best. I only find it perplexing that Catwoman has managed to function outside of the expected rules of Nolan's world, despite being the most easily adapted in her current form. Her exclusion from these bounds only makes me ponder on what the other villains could have ''gotten away with'', that I feel were sacrificed as a result of Nolan's artistic choices.

The word 'functional' keep popping up with this outfit so maybe there's justification to the heels. Not holding my breath but I can't imagine there isn't some reason for them.

 

[KRIM]

The word 'functional' keep popping up with this outfit so maybe there's justification to the heels. Not holding my breath but I can't imagine there isn't some reason for them.

Perhaps it has more uses, but we do know it is functional from the recent report of its serrated edges. But I can't imagine it would have a decent justification by virtue of them being heels in the first place. At least Bruce has solid "excuses" for most of his suit. Aside from retaining the basic iconography, they do a lot more than just being sharp.

If these stilettos are the substitute for the more logical placement in claws, that's pretty lame. Either Selina loves wearing heels and figures she'd add an extra feature, or she required a sharp weapon and decided the best place to utilize it would be as terrible footwear for burglars and fighters. Gotta admit, that's a little amusing.

 

[Oruku Saki]

I'm just glad there's no Maggie G; man, for some reason she really annoyed me in TDK. I would much rather watch Hathaway do pretty much anything really rather than Maggie

 

[jmc]

Perhaps it has more uses, but we do know it is functional from the recent report of its serrated edges. But I can't imagine it would have a decent justification by virtue of them being heels in the first place. At least Bruce has solid "excuses" for most of his suit. Aside from retaining the basic iconography, they do a lot more than just being sharp.

If these stilettos are the substitute for the more logical placement in claws, that's pretty lame. Either Selina loves wearing heels and figures she'd add an extra feature, or she required a sharp weapon and decided the best place to utilize it would be as terrible footwear for burglars and fighters. Gotta admit, that's a little amusing.

The only thing that makes me think there is something to them is the simple fact that they're the only part of the outfit that's made of metal, from the looks of things anyway. Fully black costume and sticking out like a sore thumb are these metallic heels. Make of that what you will.