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I've been wanting to do a Post-Mortem of this season, so my question is, where do you guys think this season went wrong? Like at what point did everything start to fall off the rails.

I feel like it was somewhere in between episode 3 and 4. That started the whole League stuff where everything started to be inconsistent. Merlyn lies about killing Sara, Ra's states he doesn't care about Sara, only to want to avenge her a couple of episodes later. Olicity started to get in the way.
it was the murder mystery. But for me it was when at the end of last season when they said oliver learned how to pilot off the island the we saw he was hired by Argus which they should have train him in strategy better after all Slade though was to set psychical booby traps cause of the he was actin messed up saying slade was out maneuvering him as he stated. but with the way waller handled him I'll let it slid a bit only cause no matter how he claim's to be a good strategist & tactician he's not & that's waller's fault she short chaned him there with what she did teach him.


so the main problem here was the murder mystery and it all wen down hill from there with logic, common sense with how characters were acting & they were having split personality issues like Ra's flip flopping about finding sara's killer, but not really actively looking with his members of the league Oliver's chose's with team arrow the poor way the handled how to find out who the killer was when they have no skill i detective work at all left captain lance out who could have helped there & their alternative which which was Barry they had Felicity take too much time to make sure it reached him /them (team flash) she should have had it on had with her when they were dealing with captain boomerang case .

It just all fell apart from the murder mystery. And they are taking character from the home publisher & creator known as detective comic's Entertainment. that part is Shameful. I'm sorry it is. it just is .......


I didn't have issue with Olicity but I did find weird last season when slade said he get the person he most cared about oliver just decided that person was Felicity I looked it over cause I didn't think it would hurt show it hasn't for the most part but it did become a problem with other characters growth were over looked for cause it become the over all all important part of this season characters like Roy's back story suffered for it. oh she was worry about when they all captured in the dungeon cause what most bother her is the feux marriage Ra's was making oliver & Nyssa do when their worry was get outta that dungeon first & for most .


now there was that weird issue last night where she wanted Ray to drop his critical moment with the cure be passed out to the city on it's like the dungeon ca be see as she only care's for Oliver again and nothing else matter at that moment. but in a way it also make sense that she wants save him. so I'm not gonna completely fault her there but i can see alot of people becoming mad at her with what are supposed priority's cause after it all ends oliver & her can always fix their relationship after words which seem's to be what she's worried about the most .

so I'll say her saving Oliver in ray's suit last night is fine. her being in love with him is fine but when it's the point when they push it in the ways like they did in the dungeon . It's too questionable / selfish & makes it seem like it's not love but some weird form of over obsession with Oliver . if he's i love with ya he'll always come back to you. this is the problem with the over push with that case. there. there more pressing matters at hand woman. Minus last nights save of Oliver off the dame which as I stated is fine .


The rest prior to it ...... other wise I wouldn't have issue with it at all.


Over all what went wrong is with the script chose's they were signs of it last season where it start if that was the case why were you freaking out like this about tactic's you should have improved if a agency took you in ? this shouldn't be the case?

but it went full blown / bore from the murder mystery of sara on wards that there was a problem.

I still like the show they did try to do character developmet of laural, Roy , thea Diggle Nyssa & what little the did with katana & Maeso ( in the present day of those two latters characters.) the actor's performance's all of them were done well.

It's just the script falls apart with logic of the reason for some actions taken & how they come off to the audience . Other wise it's still a good show. but this season could have been better.
 
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I've been wanting to do a Post-Mortem of this season, so my question is, where do you guys think this season went wrong? Like at what point did everything start to fall off the rails.

I feel like it was somewhere in between episode 3 and 4. That started the whole League stuff where everything started to be inconsistent. Merlyn lies about killing Sara, Ra's states he doesn't care about Sara, only to want to avenge her a couple of episodes later. Olicity started to get in the way.

That's just it, I don't think it did. I enjoyed the whole season.
*shrug*
 
I've been wanting to do a Post-Mortem of this season, so my question is, where do you guys think this season went wrong? Like at what point did everything start to fall off the rails.

I feel like it was somewhere in between episode 3 and 4. That started the whole League stuff where everything started to be inconsistent. Merlyn lies about killing Sara, Ra's states he doesn't care about Sara, only to want to avenge her a couple of episodes later. Olicity started to get in the way.

Right from episode 1 of this season.
 
That's just it, I don't think it did. I enjoyed the whole season.
*shrug*

Yeah, I enjoyed it for the most part, I think it was definitely the weakest season, but I still was entertained more often than not.
 
i kind of feel like arrow this season was directionless and didnt have an overall interesting story deep enough to carry us the viewers all the way through. The flashbacks were meh and depending on how you felt on sarahs death amd the
League seeking vengeance it was ethier a great or bad idea. Definetly the weakest in all 3 seasons.
 
I've been wanting to do a Post-Mortem of this season, so my question is, where do you guys think this season went wrong? Like at what point did everything start to fall off the rails.

I feel like it was somewhere in between episode 3 and 4. That started the whole League stuff where everything started to be inconsistent. Merlyn lies about killing Sara, Ra's states he doesn't care about Sara, only to want to avenge her a couple of episodes later. Olicity started to get in the way.

Felicity. As soon as they made her the main love interest she and her relationship just eclipsed everyone else. Between present Oliver and his flashbacks the show had little enough time for its side characters as things were. Then nearly all that time went to Felicity crying, unless it was important to the plot. Then maybe we would see Lance go berserk over his daughter and try to ruin Oliver's life.
Roy should have had a bigger role to play this season. He's Arsenal. He pretty much Green Arrow's Nightwing. Instead he was just kind of there unless the plot needed him to be the fall guy.
Ray started off great until it became apparent he was just there to reinforce Felicity's true love for Oliver. He wasn't even allowed to be smartest guy in the room and at some point he lost whatever confidence he had in the first few episodes because the writers must have felt he should be just as awkward as Felicity.
Besides characters being overshadowed by Olicity the murder-mystery had a less than impressive as well as overly convoluted payoff. The reveal only led to more overly convoluted and nonsensical plots and character arcs until we got a season finale I could barely stay awake watching.
Seriously, why is Oliver letting the man who not only killed hundred of innocents become head of the League, but also the man that killed his ex girlfriend, who so happened to be Laurel's younger, who so happened to be Captain Lance's daughter, and who so happened to spend a year helping him fight crime and worked stop Slade? Who knows.
 
It seemed to be a good season on the beginning with some promising story lines, but after the middle season finale, with the miraculous recovery from Oliver with no explanation, the very dumb reason used to not give Malcon to the league, and then the dumber reason to save him from the league, all the talk from the effects of the pit to have none of it, all the forced drama etc, it really dragged down the season...
 
I've been wanting to do a Post-Mortem of this season, so my question is, where do you guys think this season went wrong?

The producers pandering to Felicity fans is what ruined this season for me. Felicity was good in small doses but trying to shove her into scenes when she is not needed dragged down the show. It also doesn't make any sense, in Season 1 they pushed on us how Oliver has a think for Laurel down our throats then 2 seasons later Oliver is madly in love with Felicity.
 
It seemed to be a good season on the beginning with some promising story lines, but after the middle season finale, with the miraculous recovery from Oliver with no explanation, the very dumb reason used to not give Malcon to the league, and then the dumber reason to save him from the league, all the talk from the effects of the pit to have none of it, all the forced drama etc, it really dragged down the season...

Yep. There was absolutely no focus. This season felt like the writers were each fighting to write a certain story, and instead of picking one or two and making it a cohesive narrative, they tried to mash all of them together.

The annoying thing is that overall, they had good ideas. In theory, Malcolm having an endgame of becoming Ra's sounds cool, but because the way he got there was filled with just plain simple stupid logic, it was just dumb. Almost everything was. The massive jumps in logic here made absolutely no sense.

If I had to pick one point though, it was definitely Oliver's "recovery" after fighting Ra's. That was cheap shock tactics at it's best. It insulted us as viewers, and was incredibly lazy storytelling. And from that point on, the show never recovered. I hope it will, but at this point, I have zero faith in the creative team behind it. This season was a mess, barely above Gotham in terms of quality...and that's pretty dang bad.
 
I just heard that there was a character killed in the finale that will not be brought back. The only character I can think of is Ra's. Does anyone know who the character is? I think one of the producers or writers said who it was.
 
I just heard that there was a character killed in the finale that will not be brought back. The only character I can think of is Ra's. Does anyone know who the character is? I think one of the producers or writers said who it was.


It might be the general they had Oliver torture and Maeso shot dead in the flash backs he's supposedly supposed be more importat in the DC universe but so was laurels DOJ / DA boss who was supposed to be the female heroin man hunter who's also a BOP member that died infront of brother blood's due to slade's mirikuru men in the show
 
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The moment Oliver rose back from the dead with no explanations
 
I just heard that there was a character killed in the finale that will not be brought back. The only character I can think of is Ra's. Does anyone know who the character is? I think one of the producers or writers said who it was.

No idea because MG said he wants to bring back Ra's.
 
No idea because MG said he wants to bring back Ra's.
Well there's only two other characters general Shrive (i the flash back s the Oliver tortured and Maeso killed for obvious reason's ) of the creature commando's or the man in Damien Darh's apartment the latter of the two wasn't important cause he's hasn't a history in the DCU major player wise .
 
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I think a specific point would be Oliver coming back right at the end of episode 10. No Lazarus, no nothing. Really cheapened his death, as episode 9 was one of the best of the show.

And like I said in the ep 23 thread, the whole season could've been brilliant if they didn't have him come back to Starling for 4-5 episodes and then go off again to become Al Sahim. The thing to do would've been that Ra's discovers Oliver to still be alive and then, impressed, starts to groom and brainwash him. Ollie realizes that he can use this to destroy the LOA from the inside. Then, Team Arrow sees a guy they thought was dead come back as their enemy.
 
^^ this would also avoid most of the Olicity drama so even with the same ending it would seem better as most wouldn't be annoyed by their romance, Roy and Diggle would have stepped up more as they did on those 3 episodes and it would make sense him recovering....
 
That's just it, I don't think it did. I enjoyed the whole season.
*shrug*

Obviously you are an Olicity Shipper and hang out on Tumblr ;)

(I enjoyed it to as did everyone I know who watched it)
 
that's Nyssa i the middle picture

Yeah I know, hopefully that means she'll be a regular in season 4. Is that Rila at the back in the 3rd pic, next to the guy doing the hand gesture?
 
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