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Based the high quality of those pics you have a choice.

A: You can believe the Arrow show runners are totally incompetent in letting this get out or
B: They are being clever & released pics of a fake funeral.


I am at 65% A and 35% B right now.


I just don't get how a show would pick a location that is easily accessible for this specific scene.. And i've seen the pictures, that wasn't some random person from 50 yards away zooming in with their camera, the person taking those was basically on-set. David Ramsey and Katrina Law are actually looking into the person's camera.

If it does indeed turn out to be true, just utter incompetence on the show's part.
 
well MG made a twitter reply about Laurel saying he love katie and he loves the Black Canary is he lying? maybe? he did you won't believe me.....so 16 days after that tweet? evidence of her not in present day set indicate she will die?

He said that Katie didn't quit the show, not that the show quit her.
 
Even that, wouldn't mean that he didn't "love" Katie since I doubt he hated everyone the show got rid of. Is he delusional in the shows treatment of the character? Hell to the yes.
 
I just don't get how a show would pick a location that is easily accessible for this specific scene.. And i've seen the pictures, that wasn't some random person from 50 yards away zooming in with their camera, the person taking those was basically on-set. David Ramsey and Katrina Law are actually looking into the person's camera.

If it does indeed turn out to be true, just utter incompetence on the show's part.

Yes well you convinced me to up the % of it being something clever from 5% to 35%. The show runners don't really seem to know what they are doing. Why would they have Felicity in a wheelchair for 3 eps for example? If they knew what they were doing they would try and make the viewers feel bad for her, stretch things out and have a risky operation in the season finale this year or mid season finale next year.
 
Guys, so why is everyone suddenly assuming it's [BLACKOUT]Laurel[/BLACKOUT]? What's the source of this?



Yes. It's a retelling of S2, somewhat, but it gives the backstory of what Slade, Rochev, and Blood were doing between the time Slade got his eye poked out on Amazo and the time he showed up in S2. It also gives Rochev's origins, a year or so before the Queen's Gambit set sail, I believe. So it's the backstory of the main villains of the season, plus a retelling from their POV.

Thanks,I'm getting this then.
 
As far as the Felicity part is concerned: I think its possible they might have planned to draw that storyline out, but there was a science article I read recently about an Australian company working on a very similar technology (one that could help those wheelchair bound walk again via an implant) which they will be conducting human trials for sometime next year. So my guess, they wanted to up the wow factor on Curtis's intelligence and also tie in the battery that Felicity is using to help her walk again. Also, they seem to prefer milking relationship drama over anything else. Personally, I think the whole 'curing her paralysis six episodes later' is a huge 'eff off' to the disabled community. Its very rare for a major character on a TV show to face something like this. I compare this to "Person of Interest" and the fact that Finch walks with a permanent limp, and I just find it in incredibly poor taste.

On the MG tweets front: I've honestly distrusted anything MG says with regards to the show since after 2x10 or 2x11, when he was asked by someone when Roy would find out Oliver was the Arrow. His reply was, "Not for a while." 2x12 comes along....

Now, me, looking at this more clearly, I just don't see this being anything more than another of MG's big twists. Something to consider, here, is that whatever is going down will be a huge blow to Team Arrow, and Oliver is swearing vengeance on 'him' (presumably Malcolm unless DD escapes during his trial). Whatever happened could have causes several injuries; perhaps we'll even see Quentin, Donna, and Laurel all in critical condition in episode 18.

If the title is, in fact, "Canary Cry", there is the fact that there is always some dual-nature reasoning to these types of titles. In "Deathstroke", we thought we would see a battle between Oliver and Slade, but it was to showcase the other aspect of Deathstroke/Slade Wilson, his tactical planning. In "Al Sa-Him", they did a very good job, up until those last few minutes, of Oliver seeming to be completely in the thrall of Ra's Al Ghul. Then the bio-weapon was revealed and with Ra's unable to see his expression, we saw the real Oliver, thus revealing he was once more employing a risky gambit, just like he did in the Season 2 finale with regards to Felicity and the cure to fool Slade.

Also, it would be in pretty poor taste if they had the funeral episode titled "Canary Cry" if the person who uses it (Laurel) is dead at the end of Episode 18, unless they're planning on someone else taking up the mantle. The problem here being that the only person who could without them losing a whole lot of fans (and they'd lose fans regardless) is Caity Lotz, and frankly Sara/White Canary is growing much more on LoT than she ever could on "Arrow". I've said this elsewhere, but if they're foolish enough to do something like having Felicity look into taking up that mask (despite MG's vow that Felicity will never have a costume while he's showrunner, one of the few things I want to believe coming from him), than that will be what makes me leave this show behind and just watch Flash and LoT, with only crossover episodes being my Arrow intake. Its one thing if they want to continually eff with the Lance family. Its quite another to have a character who has no connection to the BC lore in any fashion take up that name.

Oh, and I only bring that up because I've actually seen fanfiction like that and it makes me sick to my stomach because these are many of the same people who make up MG's Tumblr/Twitter fanbase....
 
I think Felicity is able to walk again because the writers wanted something bad to happen to her so that the audience would think she was going to die and also because it was an opportunity for drama, the second Felicity accepted what happened to her, there is no more drama.

Also they probably want her to walk down the aisle by the end of the season.
 
The rumors are getting stronger. If it's Laurel, then I'm done with the show. It's truly now a 'Felicity and friends' show now. I was looking forward to a Black Canary vs Lady Shiva storyline....sigh.

Wonder if it the writers decided it, or those ******ed higher DC/WB Execs went like, 'we want to use Laurel for a birds of prey movie, so you can add Laurel also in the embargo list, along with Slade Wilson, Deadshot, Amanda Waller, because we are a shi* company, and don't know how to make good company policies like marvel!''

It's most likely the Arrow's writers decision themselves. Screw Marc Guggenheim, and Wendy Mericle. Keep pandering to those ******ed tumblr/twitter Olicity fans.
 
It's most likely the Arrow's writers decision themselves. Screw Marc Guggenheim, and Wendy Mericle. Keep pandering to those ******ed tumblr/twitter Olicity fans.

That last sentence about pandering to those certain is the reason Arrow is not getting the ratings that Supergirl, Flash, and Legends are getting. They're not catering to the masses, just only a certain portion of the fanbase.

I saw more pics in the JustJared site and I don't think it's either member of the Lance family. One of the pics saw part of the name on the grave. I guessed the first time that it might be Oliver's son, William, thus prompting why Barry attended.
 
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I find it fascinating how the character that most people hated two years ago is the same character that will drive people away from the show this season, because of their absence.

Speaking of which, I know they said this one will last, but what if they killed her off for a bit, and eventually brought her back somehow, through the magic of TV. Would that be worse? Like Maybe Barry time travels again and changes things?
 
That last sentence about pandering to those certain is the reason Arrow is not getting the ratings that Supergirl, Flash, and Legends are getting. They're not catering to the masses, just only a certain portion of the fanbase.
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I probably hate the pandering more than most but if we are going to be fair your statement is wrong..

Arrow has been getting the same ratings (0.9-1.1) since as far back as the 8th episode of its 1st season... Since then it has peaked (putting aside crossover episodes which include Barry's introduction in S2) 3 times at 1.2

Those episodes were "Keep Your Enemies Closer", "Uprising" and "The Return"


In fact arguably the strongest part of any season (2nd half of S2) has been the most lowest rated stretch of the series. Episode 15-23 ranged from 0.7-0.9 but only two episodes got 0.9 in that stretch, "Birds of Prey" and "Unthinkable" (the season finale)

Last season only 8 episodes were below 1.0 and only 2 of them dipped below 0.9- "Sara" at 0.8 (which presumably was fans making it known they didn't like that they killed Sara) and "Public Enemy"

As much as I would like to say the pandering has to this date affected ratings , I can't.. The numbers don't back it up.


As for Supergirl's ratings, eh I'd calm down on that.. Premiere was 3.1 and 5 episodes in it was down to 1.5 and now is ranging between 1.5-1.8 and last week's episode got a 1.5 and it is on CBS.

And Legends has been getting the same ratings as Arrow.
 
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I find it fascinating how the character that most people hated two years ago is the same character that will drive people away from the show this season, because of their absence.

Well Laurel has been written better and there is the fact that people just hate the Felicity/Olicity drama stuff so much more and realize S1-S2 Laurel while she could have been written better she wasn't nearly as bad as what Felicity has turned into.

As for Laurel being the reason, it's the case for some people but I think it's more of a tipping point for people. If Felicity would have been killed off and than Laurel died it I don't think as many people would be saying they are done with the show.. But killing of the Black Canary, after writing Arsenal off the show it's just a sign that this show is full force on this being an Olicity show and not a Green Arrow/Team Arrow show...

I mean just go watch last season after Oliver fought Ra's and we had that 3 episode Oliver-less Team Arrow episodes. Which 2 of those episodes were the highest rated non-crossover of the series.. People were really into a Team Arrow: Green Arrow, Arsenal, Black Canary, Diggle and (eventually) Speedy show.. Instead that 3 episode arc was just a major tease.


Speaking of which, I know they said this one will last, but what if they killed her off for a bit, and eventually brought her back somehow, through the magic of TV. Would that be worse? Like Maybe Barry time travels again and changes things?

Well logically if they bring her back I think it would be Sara returning the favor and using Rip to do it..
 
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Finally, someone provides a link with all pictures....

The majority of the pics, aside from the ones of Felicity, Nyssa, and whoever the new girl is, appear to be for the flashback grave scene rather than the flash forward.
 
That new younger actress from the funeral photos is rumored to be Zatanna.. Was everyone aware of that? That'd be really neat
 
Finally, someone provides a link with all pictures....

The majority of the pics, aside from the ones of Felicity, Nyssa, and whoever the new girl is, appear to be for the flashback grave scene rather than the flash forward.

Totally, Quentin's hair proves that. Plus, they always make Laurel seem more Abercrombie when doing flashbacks...
 
Finally, someone provides a link with all pictures....

The majority of the pics, aside from the ones of Felicity, Nyssa, and whoever the new girl is, appear to be for the flashback grave scene rather than the flash forward.
You know .... you just made me realize something.

yes, Laurel in the present is missing from the photos, but what's to say that that she wasn't just getting her make up done and by the time she came out, the photographer was spotted and told to leave?

Maybe I'm just trying to grasp at straws, but what if we've jumped to conclusions really quickly, based on what we have yet to see?

And before someone mentions it, I know there's the alledged folder that says "Katie Cassidy films last day of Arrow" but where did that come from? Also, there was a pic that looked like random people standing near a grave where the last letters were "YTON" which could be part of Clayton, the surname of William and his mother.
 
@DCnightwing23: Well, since the character description is that she's been rescued from a cult, combined with the whole magic angle of this season, and that is highly likely.

antsman41: Heh, yeah, that does seem to be the case.
 
You know .... you just made me realize something.

yes, Laurel in the present is missing from the photos, but what's to say that that she wasn't just getting her make up done and by the time she came out, the photographer was spotted and told to leave?

Maybe I'm just trying to grasp at straws, but what if we've jumped to conclusions really quickly, based on what we have yet to see?

And before someone mentions it, I know there's the alledged folder that says "Katie Cassidy films last day of Arrow" but where did that come from? Also, there was a pic that looked like random people standing near a grave where the last letters were "YTON" which could be part of Clayton, the surname of William and his mother.

I agree. I initially did as everyone else is doing, than I started thinking hard about this and realized the same things.

The problem they have here (the showrunners, I mean) is they're keeping their actors in the dark prior to now and so the actors have to run with vague things. So for all we know, its Samantha or William in the grave and not a regular as previously implied by the showrunners in the interview. Now, I can see Felicity being emotional if its William, because he's a kid. But not Samantha. Yet if it is Samantha (thus giving them the whole 'Green Arrow is family-based' aspect next season to explore with Oliver and William), she wouldn't be emotional like that, IMO. But EBR was likely given the direction to 'act grief-stricken'.
 
I think they closed the door on William and Samantha last episode. I don't think it's either in the grave I'd like to be wrong.
 
Do we have guess on the killer? Merlyn? are they just going to repeat kill a Lance plot again?
 
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