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I am glad to have drop the show when I see that the writers are like this:
http://imgur.com/raKuPBc
https://***********/BenSokolowski/status/705172398841004032
Sadly they have really lost what was the focus of the show.
 
Bozo is such a terrible insult. Anyone who uses that word in a serious manner deserves to be locked in a room full of Olicity shippers.

I'm not offended by being called a bozo. I've been called much worse in real life. I'm offended by their cringe inducing writing.
 
Coburn has written some of the best episodes like "The Climb" and "The Promise", as well as "The Undertaking", "Heir to the Demon", "Streets of Fire" and "The League of Assassins" which were good episodes.
 
Coburn has written some of the best episodes like "The Climb" and "The Promise", as well as "The Undertaking", "Heir to the Demon", "Streets of Fire" and "The League of Assassins" which were good episodes.

Yeah, and former writer for Arrow or not, it does not give him license to insult fans who aren't Olicity believers; it reflects badly on him professionally. Doesn't matter if it was in jest or he was being serious.

At this point, with the funeral pics/speculation in combination with Coburn and the other ones who have been glorying in the Olicity light the past few days, I am for the first time hoping a show sees a dramatic loss in ratings to the point that the network cancels it.
 
Yeah, and former writer for Arrow or not, it does not give him license to insult fans who aren't Olicity believers; it reflects badly on him professionally. Doesn't matter if it was in jest or he was being serious.

At this point, with the funeral pics/speculation in combination with Coburn and the other ones who have been glorying in the Olicity light the past few days, I am for the first time hoping a show sees a dramatic loss in ratings to the point that the network cancels it.
I doubt it, Olicity fans are legions, and Arrow is ont The CW.
 
Yeah, and former writer for Arrow or not, it does not give him license to insult fans who aren't Olicity believers; it reflects badly on him professionally. Doesn't matter if it was in jest or he was being serious.

It does actually. If he was joking (which I believe he was), then he was just messing with fans and having a bit of harmless banter with them. It doesn't reflect badly on him professionally at all. If you are so sensitive and precious, that you allow that to upset you, then you should stay away from twitter and maybe even the internet in general.


At this point, with the funeral pics/speculation in combination with Coburn and the other ones who have been glorying in the Olicity light the past few days, I am for the first time hoping a show sees a dramatic loss in ratings to the point that the network cancels it.

Wow, that is pretty childish and petty. There are shows that I do not like, but I do not want them cancelled because I know other people like them. I suppose you could say, this reflects badly on you as a poster :cwink:.
 
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Coburn was just being honest and real. The whole point of this show now is Olicity, that's what Oliver's journey is about. Felicity's the co-lead now afterall. This is their story. So Coburn's just saying if you watch the show and you don't like the central point of it (the Olicity story) then you're a bozo for spending your time watching it. Props to Jake for his honesty.
 
Coburn was just being honest and real. The whole point of this show now is Olicity, that's what Oliver's journey is about. Felicity's the co-lead now afterall. This is their story. So Coburn's just saying if you watch the show and you don't like the central point of it (the Olicity story) then you're a bozo for spending your time watching it. Props to Jake for his honesty.
Can't tell if trolling or sarcasm...
 
http://www.ew.com/article/2014/05/15/arrow-finale-unthinkable

Barrowman talks the fatherly twist:
“We had lunch with Andrew Kreisberg. It was season 1, we were talking about the future of Malcolm Merlyn, it was myself and my partner who said, ‘Why don’t you make Thea my daughter?’ They wanted Oliver to be my son, and I said, ‘No, it’s too Star Wars.’ It’s, ‘Oliver, I’m your father.’ But if you do Thea then it creates a whole new can of worms because Oliver will have a very difficult time killing Malcolm because he knows what it’s like to lose a father and won’t want to kill his sister’s father. And also it meant I was guaranteed a job for a long time. Yay!”

Thanks.
 
Coburn was just being honest and real. The whole point of this show now is Olicity, that's what Oliver's journey is about. Felicity's the co-lead now afterall. This is their story. So Coburn's just saying if you watch the show and you don't like the central point of it (the Olicity story) then you're a bozo for spending your time watching it. Props to Jake for his honesty.

Agreed,which is why I'm gonna stop watching after this season ends,maybe even after Laurels death. Good luck to Olicity fans,I genuinely wish them well.
My only peeve with Arrow now is their constant use of DC characters and fudging them up. I want WB to impose a full embargo on Arrow,no character outside of Green Arrow comics should be allowed to appear on this show. Characters from the DC lore dont deserve to be subjected to Olcity,if the relationship is the top priority then they dont really need any characters from the larger DC mythos since they are by their own admission shunning the comic crowd in favour of the Olcity crowd.
Start culling any existing characters that dont have anything to do with Arrow as well.
 
Can't tell if trolling or sarcasm...

:yay: Being serious. BTW this is not my POV; I figure plenty of people can watch and love Arrow and not love Olicity.

But the comment that led into this, comment by the Sokolowski guy, was basically that if you love Arrow then you love Olicity. He is saying: Arrow IS Olicity. (Not, Olicity is part of Arrow -- b/c if it is just part of Arrow, then you can love something generally without loving ALL parts of it). But to say to love one is to love the other is to say that the two cannot be considered separately. It's simply not possible to love Arrow without loving Olicity apparently.

So, if that's what Arrow is (Olicity), he's saying if you don't like it, then you are a bozo for subjecting yourself voluntarily to something you are saying you don't like. They're acknowledging this is the story they have committed to in this show to tell Oliver's journey. (I mean, does anyone really think Olicity is going away? The last few cliffhangers have been about Felicity and by default, Olicity. Felicity got shot up in the limo. If she died, Olicity would have died. Now, she has walked out on Oliver. What will become of Olicity is the question? -- that was the last scene in that episode so that's the most important point in that episode: what happens to Olicity? Olicity is in peril. In the season premiere, Oliver didn't want to come back and resume his fight for his city; Felicity did and she persuaded him. So it was Olicity that was responsible for resuming the fight to save the city. Olicity is fighting for the city, not Oliver. Oliver's development and story is supposed to be occurring through the Olicity relationship).

So again, why submit yourself to a story (Olicity) that you don't love? is what he's saying and if you are, then you are a bozo --for self-inflicting exposure to something you don't like upon yourself.

I guess Coburn has a point, if he believes that to love Arrow is to love Olicity. And his "bozo" tweet seems to endorse what Sokolowski is saying. So Coburn's just being honest what he thinks.
 
I still think season 4 is much better than season 3, but I probably wouldn't be watching anymore if it weren't for the Flash/Legends/Vixen/Constantine crossovers.
 
I would still be watching Arrow without the crossovers but it's definitely not what it used to be. I think it will be, one day–shows have up-swings and down-swings, and they usually recover from the down-swings–but it may take some shuffling up of the higher-ups (which, who knows, could happen eventually) or just a lot of time. Give Guggenheim the time he needs to get the Olicity stuff out of his system; it's a pity so much of the show will have suffered from it by then, but it should be able to recover.

The plotlines are still overall good–it's the addition of the Olicity stuff, primarily, that brings it down. Also, there used to be a realness to the show, which was regained when Oliver started running for mayor, but that plotline even took a back seat to Olicity. If that was a secondary thing? This season would be great. Shoot, if Felicity was written better but Olicity was still prominent, it would be great. If Felicity had supported Oliver in the William situation–been annoyed or disappointed, maybe, but overall understanding and supportive–I wouldn't have minded. But they bring unnecessary conflict between the two of them, and that's where I see the show's failings. There doesn't need to be relationship drama. If they could just end that, it would all be so much better.
 
So that Oliver and Felicity wedding photo is
Bait to lure in Cupid, who is killing couples on their wedding day
 
So that Oliver and Felicity wedding photo is
Bait to lure in Cupid, who is killing couples on their wedding day

Figured it was something like that. Problem with it was how Guggenheim released that photo.. He did it right before last week's episode because he knew if he didn't tumblr and the shippers would want his head.
 
So that Oliver and Felicity wedding photo is
Bait to lure in Cupid, who is killing couples on their wedding day



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Cupid Returns to Star City in New "Arrow" Synopsis
In "Broken Hearts," Oliver and Felicity fake a wedding in order to capture Cupid, who has returned to Star City in order to destroy anyone in love.


Cupid has returned to Star City with a vengeance.​

Cupid has been unlucky in love, and that's bad news for Star City. In "Broken Hearts," the next episode of "Arrow," she's back in town and she's on a quest for vengeance. In order to destroy anyone in love, she's taken up killing couples on their wedding day.
In order to capture her, Oliver and Felicity throw a fake wedding in order to pose as bait. This is likely the source of the wedding photo executive producer Marc Guggenheim Tweeted out last month, which shows the two on the altar. Fans may recall that Felicity called off the engagementlast episode, which means the photo doesn't show their actual marriage.
RELATED: "Arrow" Behind The Scenes Pics Shed Light On Mysterious Funeral Scene
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CUPID RETURNS TO WREAK HAVOC ON STAR CITY -- A heartbroken Cupid (guest star Amy Gumenick) returns to Star City with one goal – to destroy anyone in love. The team learns she’s killing couples on their wedding day so Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) decide to pose as bait. John Showalter directed the episode written by Rebecca Bellotto & Nolan Dunbar (#416). Original airdate 3/23/16.
Starring Stephen Amell and Emily Bett Rickards and David Ramsey, "Arrow" returns to The CW on Wednesday, March 23 at 8 pm EST.
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I would still be watching Arrow without the crossovers but it's definitely not what it used to be. I think it will be, one day–shows have up-swings and down-swings, and they usually recover from the down-swings–but it may take some shuffling up of the higher-ups (which, who knows, could happen eventually) or just a lot of time. Give Guggenheim the time he needs to get the Olicity stuff out of his system; it's a pity so much of the show will have suffered from it by then, but it should be able to recover.

The plotlines are still overall good–it's the addition of the Olicity stuff, primarily, that brings it down. Also, there used to be a realness to the show, which was regained when Oliver started running for mayor, but that plotline even took a back seat to Olicity. If that was a secondary thing? This season would be great. Shoot, if Felicity was written better but Olicity was still prominent, it would be great. If Felicity had supported Oliver in the William situation–been annoyed or disappointed, maybe, but overall understanding and supportive–I wouldn't have minded. But they bring unnecessary conflict between the two of them, and that's where I see the show's failings. There doesn't need to be relationship drama. If they could just end that, it would all be so much better.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, especially the bolded. I don't think the show is as good as it was in season 1 and 2, but it is still a good show. It is also possible that it will recover, and reach the quality of the first two seasons. I thought that Angel was similar. It was very good in seasons 1 and 2, but its quality took a dip in seasons 3 and 4, but there was a resurgence in season 5, and it was arguably the best season. I also agree with you in regards to the realism. Arrow was never realistic, but it was more grounded than most Superhero live-actin adaptions, and that made it stand out IMO.
 
I find the "I only watch to keep up with Flash and LOT" excuse to be funny. I have only watched 4 episodes of the Flash and 1 LOT episode (not because I do not like those shows, I do, I just do not have the time to keep up with them all and if I have to choose between the three shows, Arrow is always going to be the winner), and it has not caused any problems for me. It is a silly excuse.
 
Laurel is literally 90% of the reason I bother to watch the show anymore these days.
 
So be careful with "Arrow - Vengeance." It has what appears to be a major spoiler for S4. Don't read on if you don't want to be spoiled.

Slade visits Shado's grave and finds a new grave beside it...with the name Taiana on it.
Dang, crazy that they would spoil that.
Kinda surprised honestly, I thought he would help get her off the island. :csad:
 
Olicity (as in, the pairing by itself) is hardly the problem. Let's be honest here, this series’ weakest link has always been relationship drama, specially the romantic variety.

I’ve been re-watching the first seasons of Arrow and frankly, I could swear Felicity's egocentric, poorly-justified decisions are exactly how the writers would have written had she continued as the love interest, basically because that how she was written during S1 and S2, (plus a bit of Thea’s bratty, all-about-me behaviour), there’s a reason for Laurel to be the most hated character back then, and for Thea not to be particularly well-liked.

In fact, I could argue that the very reason the Olicity pairing got attention in the first place was because Felicity herself provided a place of levity for the show and looked like a love interest who, as opposed to Helena, Laurel, Sara or even McKenna, could work without degeneration into a drama-focused mess, which is exactly what’s happened.

The thing is, back then the drama problems were a bit more justified, but not because the writers put real effort into making these characters look sympathetic – They didn’t, and the writers got relatively “lucky” that the circumstances their players found themselves in were considerably harder and thus you could understand some of their more egoistical decisions (in S1, every main character had spend five hellish years, not just Ollie and S2, the Undertaking had just taken place, leaving most characters justifiably broken).

The problem as I see it is that, by putting Olicity into the focus, they keep writing themselves into a corner. On the one hand, they want the portion of the fanbase that likes this pairing to feel like there’s time given to them, screentime that appeals to their tastes and favourite couple. That’s fine frankly, that’s just super because they’re also part of the base who watches like the rest, but the first two seasons proved that Felicity and Oliver could work as a couple, so watching them interact should be problem, at least, not bigger problem than having him interact with any other character he loves. On the other hand, they want to have romance-based dramafor some reason (as opposed to, say, other forms of drama, like plot-based, friend-based or enemy-based), I guess because this is the CW, and this is where things just spiral out of control.

Because they don’t know how to write relationship drama. They just don’t. It’s been four seasons and, in one way or another, it’s been almost invariably the most criticised aspect of the season.

Thus Olicity, instead of an aspect that could enrich the series and its characters, became their "get-away-from-jail" free card. Now they could write about all the relationship drama they wanted, independently on whether it was good for the series or not, on how it was reviewed, because they'd have a portion of the fanbase that would constantly support them.

Pandering to the tumblr fans doesn’t mean breaking Olicity up, means putting their love life into their forefront – And making things like plot and characterization revolve around it to a disproportionate degree, at the expense of screen time that could be used for other characters and/or more detailed, engaging plots. And feeling the need to put it into the forefront, they put into the forefront what’s generally accepted to be the weakest of their abilities.

I remember a review, back when it was Arrow Season 2, that called Arrow the best comic-book show since JLU, talking about things that series like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. could learn from it. And the biggest thing they could learn from it is that it put effort into cultivating a rich cast of characters with individual, equality important storylines that still fed into interesting, focused stories. This balance is very difficult to attain when you're seeking it, almost impossible if you're more centered into what's, at best, an objectively derivative, repetitive (secrets! lies! will-they-end-up-together?!) and subjectiely unengaging, romance.
 
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Dang, crazy that they would spoil that.
Kinda surprised honestly, I thought he would help get her off the island. :csad:

"These were five years! Five years where nothing good happened!" - Oliver Queen, S2.

I kind of figured she'd be dead, or at least end up hating Oliver, so it's not surprising, but yeah...I didn't figure on them getting a happy ending.
 
Watching the first season again, on episode 2. I still love this show, but it used to feel so much more focused. They still nail out their stories and character stuff, but back then it felt like they just put more time into the fights and scenes in general. Mapping out the best way for a character to enter the scene, framing things differently as opposed to just pointing and shooting. Guess it's because of their heavier workload.
 
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