Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

[batdude]

There is absolutely zero chance this is the show's last season.

1. the main cast is signed for seven seasons

2. the show has a per-episode payment from Netflix and a brand new syndication deal on TNT, to say nothing of international sales and DVD/Blu Ray/digital sales. All of those factors mean there is a ton of financial incentive to keep ordering new seasons.

3. even hitting a series low 0.7 rating for Arrow is still going to be better than any other non-DC show on the network. The only thing even in the neighborhood would be the ageless Supernatural.

4. the producers have explicitly stated that this will be the last season of flashbacks... to make that distinction implies a plan of doing further seasons without flashbacks

Unless something horrible happens to one of the main cast or producers (of course we all hope nothing does), this show is going seven seasons minimum. Probably more, looking at how far they've dragged out similarly successful shows (Smallville, Supernatural, Vampire Diaries).

I think we are probably looking at a couple more years at least. The only thing you forgot was the possibility of Supergirl or maybe Riverdale getting better ratings and the CW's limited timeslots I'm more worried about Legends.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think we are probably looking at a couple more years at least. The only thing you forgot was the possibility of Supergirl or maybe Riverdale getting better ratings and the CW's limited timeslots I'm more worried about Legends.

Yeah I think Legends is most at risk, although I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing as I think they could get the chance to replace it with something new.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah I think Legends is most at risk, although I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing as I think they could get the chance to replace it with something new.

Superman with Tyler Hoechlin?

 

[batdude]

Well, I wouldn't mind a Green Lantern or Shazam show, but I would really miss White Canary/Caity Lotz.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I think we are probably looking at a couple more years at least. The only thing you forgot was the possibility of Supergirl or maybe Riverdale getting better ratings and the CW's limited timeslots I'm more worried about Legends.

Legends of Tomorrow is just a limited series though. It is only getting 13 episodes instead of the 22 that Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl are getting.
So there is room on the schedule for it unless the ratings really tank.
I would be surprised if Supergirl doesn't get better rating than Arrow. I would be surprised if Riverdale does get better ratings than Arrow.

Superman with Tyler Hoechlin?

With Supergirl already on the schedule I think a Superman series would be too redundant. The characters are too similar. What could they do that they aren't already doing on Supergirl?
I'd rather go with someone else like Aquaman or even spin Martian Manhunter off into his own series. He quits or is fired from the DEO and becomes a bounty hunter of aliens and meta-humans, for example.
Or maybe even give Wonder Woman another shot. If there is a Flash TV show and a Flash movie, I don't see how a Wonder Woman TV show couldn't be.

Well, I wouldn't mind a Green Lantern or Shazam show, but I would really miss White Canary/Caity Lotz.

I doubt we will see a Green Lantern series on the CW anytime soon. Marc Guggenheim said the VFX would be too expensive.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman with Tyler Hoechlin?

In my dream scenario? Yes but I think a 'Teen Titans' type show would be more likely.

With Supergirl already on the schedule I think a Superman series would be too redundant. The characters are too similar. What could they do that they aren't already doing on Supergirl?

In fairness I think you could make it different enough but I think some of it would feel too similar. Which is why I like a mini series approach with Superman. Maybe take a storyline like Panic in the Sky or War World and do that for 4-6 episodes.

 

[batdude]

Osiris If that's the case, I still would like to see Jensen Ackles play Hal Jordan as a special guest on either Flash or Arrow.

 

[SpideyVille]

So I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but one of the things I felt worked for the episode was how Oliver was written. But when I think about it more closely, I feel like the theme of his arc was that he was stuck in the past and needed to move on.

Is that sort of a shot at the viewers that constantly say Arrow used to be good in the first couple of seasons? I remember something similar being told to Oliver on the Island in the episode where Laurel was killed, which was basically that he, and the viewers, needed to get over the fact that Laurel and Oliver have history, and rather focus on moving forward, even if it means doing so without her.

This season definitely seems to be one embracing the most change, with all the new additions and character dynamics, so I just wonder if Oliver's journey in moving on is supposed to mirror how we should view the show moving forward.

 

[famicommander]

Legends of Tomorrow isn't a limited series. It has a 13 episode initial order with the possibility of a back order.

For reference, last season iZombie started with a 13 episode order before CW ordered an additional 6 episodes for a total of 19.

Legends of Tomorrow isn't going anywhere unless the ratings are absolutely horrible. With the crossovers and with Supernatural as a lead out I don't see it dropping much below 0.6-0.7, which would be an easy renewal.

Further, only Supergirl has a 22 episode order. The Flash and Arrow have 23 episode orders.

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah I think Legends is most at risk, although I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing as I think they could get the chance to replace it with something new.

I would normally agree, except they renewed the show despite the budget problems discussed earlier, and ratings that weren't exactly lighting the world on fire. As is. . . who knows? Maybe its more profitable for them than it looks, maybe they view it as a sort of "loss leader" to provide crossover fodder that generally buffs ratings for the other shows?

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So I've...been thinking about Prometheus. And I've come up with an interesting but probably very wrong theory, but something that fits in with the fact that almost every previous actor in the show is returning for episode 100. Of course most of them will be for flashbacks, right...but what if a previous actor is returning in present-day?

Here's what we know about Prometheus: "The main villain is a direct result of Oliver's actions when he returned to Starling City at the beginning of the series." So something that Oliver did caused this villain to exist. The 100th episode will be the mid-season finale, if I'm correct...so that would probably be the time when they reveal the villain's true identity. S1 revealed Merlyn in that episode, S2 revealed Slade in that episode, and S3 had Oliver confront Ra's for the first time in that episode. So here's my theory...

Prometheus is Tommy Merlyn.

I don't know how they could explain his return, but it could be as simple as "Malcolm found Damien Darhk's stolen Lazarus Pit water and put Tommy in." I might be totally wrong, or I might be dead on the money. Either way, we'll see. But I'm torn on whether or not I want to be right. On the one hand, that would be so dramatic and could really be cool. On the other, I'm not sure I want them to revive another dead character. Either way, we'll see.

But what do y'all think of this? Is it plausible? Am I just crazy? Is this what we're going to get?

 

[Primal Slayer]

You're crazy lol. There is zero chance that Tommy is Prometheus. Zero. It would be more plausible if Colin wasn't on Chicago Med but they cant even get him back for the 100th because of scheduling let alone to be the major villain of the season.

With all the bts photos coming out, it seems as if (and of course this is speculation) that part of the 100th will revolve around a what-if type scenario, I'm guessing if Oliver had never gotten on the boat. Everyone is still alive, Sara/Laurel are in a good place and everyone is at the Queen mansion. It looks as if Laurel may be married (probably to Oliver if not Tommy who wont be in the episode) .

 

[Jedi Arrow]

You're crazy lol. There is zero chance that Tommy is Prometheus. Zero. It would be more plausible if Colin wasn't on Chicago Med but they cant even get him back for the 100th because of scheduling let alone to be the major villain of the season.

Well, like I said.

Seriously, though, I doubt it would happen, but it would be interesting. And have they actually said there's scheduling trouble getting him back for the 100th or is that just speculation?

With all the bts photos coming out, it seems as if (and of course this is speculation) that part of the 100th will revolve around a what-if type scenario, I'm guessing if Oliver had never gotten on the boat. Everyone is still alive, Sara/Laurel are in a good place and everyone is at the Queen mansion. It looks as if Laurel may be married (probably to Oliver if not Tommy who wont be in the episode) .

That's actually a cool idea, but are they going to use the mid-season finale on a what-if?

 

[BH/HHH]

I wouldn't ever say there's zero chance of Prometheus been Tommy. Who knows what effect Flashpoint has had for one and secondly we know about Lazarus Pits etc. This may be a Red Hood/Jason Todd situation.

 

[Primal Slayer]

When the actor works on a successful series and would only be able to appear in maybe 1 episode if they got lucky, I would still say zero chance. Plus they want to make death "mean something" so resurrecting yet another dead character would make them look like even more of a joke.

 

[BH/HHH]

When the actor works on a successful series and would only be able to appear in maybe 1 episode if they got lucky, I would still say zero chance. Plus they want to make death "mean something" so resurrecting yet another dead character would make them look like even more of a joke.

You never know though, zero is too much, I'd say more unlikely but not impossible.

I think it will probably end up been Felicity's boyfriend myself.

 

[Xrated48]

You never know though, zero is too much, I'd say more unlikely but not impossible.

I think it will probably end up been Felicity's boyfriend myself.

I'm expecting that it will be her boyfriend too.

 

[Gintoki]

Marc Guggenheim did a new Q&A Session on tumblr.

http://marcguggenheim.tumblr.com/


Also Olicity fans are pissed by this new interview by Wendy Mericle.

 

[Slade W]

Hopefully she keeps her word. If this season is a strong one with no Olicity, then that is something the three best seasons will have in common.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

The only negative thing I have to say about S5E1 is that the set pieces still feel dramatically cheaper than the S1/S2 sets. There was a sense of environment in the first two seasons, of largeness. Look at the courthouse scenes in S1 when Oliver or Laurel would mount the steps to the entrance; it looked and felt like a real courthouse, there was so much environment, and the set was so big. Now compare that to the city hall set we got in S5E1, when Oliver gave his press conference at the end. TBH it felt tiny. Another thing causing this is the number of extras. In S1, throngs of reporters would flood the scene, again reinforcing the realness and bigness of a scene. In Oliver's press conference, there were like ten reporters total standing on the sidewalk. The same goes for the gala at the beginning. I know it was supposed to be at the police station or something, but it felt so small, so constricted. Compare it to some of the parties that were held in S1, even at Queen Mansion. Those felt so much bigger, so much more like formal events. I don't know if it's the camera work or what, but nothing in this episode really felt big.

So this is one thing I hope Arrow can fix. It's a minor thing, but it was my only real complaint with the episode. I think this problem really started last season, because S3 still had that sense of scale, of realness, of largeness. Everything felt real. The city, Nanda Parbat, the warehouses, they all felt like real locations. This episode, I felt like everything was a set, y'know. There's very little ambiance; it all feels lifeless, fake. And it's so small. I would bet that the show's set budget got reduced or something, which really is a crying shame. This one minor issue, if it had not been present, would've made the episode really feel like S1 back. And from an acting, writing, and action scale, it really did feel like S1. But it felt, at the same time, very constricted, because of the smallness of everything.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Spoiler

Baby Sara has been erased from the timeline, replaced with Baby John

 

[metaphysician]

I don't really think Evil Tommy is plausible. Completely aside from the "has been really dead for several years" thing, the nature of his personality and circumstances of his death don't really support him going on a quest to become a ruthless supervillain bent on murderous revenge. He died trying to save people from his father's evil plan, after having rejected said father. If he were to go revenant hate on anybody, it'd be Malcolm.

 

[SpideyVille]

Spoiler

Baby Sara has been erased from the timeline, replaced with Baby John

So basically

Spoiler

What we saw in Legends may actually happen for real?

 

[Slade W]

That change is kind of silly IMO.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's weird to have something on another show cause the change (or disconcerting, to be more accurate), but, from a shared universe perspective, it makes sense.