Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 5

[Charlie Boy]

Black Wolverine

 

[DrDoom]

Bronze Tiger's props for cosplay
http://www.blade-empire.com/Master_Cutlery/Pantera_Claws-Tom_Anderson-MC-TA-57.shtml

 

[Lencho01]

http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-9/fan-favorite-stargate-sg-1-star-headed-cws-arrow-s2

Fan-favorite Stargate SG-1 star headed to CW's Arrow in S2

Trent Moore
Friday, August 9, 2013 - 12:55pm

A beloved Stargate SG-1 star will be heading to Starling City soon as part of Arrow’s second season.

Teryl Rothery, who played Dr. Janet Frasier for seven years on the long-running SG-1 series, has signed on for a 3-4-episode arc in year two of The CW’s hit superhero series.
No word on exactly who Rothery will be playing, though she did tease that the character is “very different” from her previous roles. Could it be related to that Flash spinoff? We have no idea, but we can’t wait to find out.

After several years on SG-1, Rothery’s character grew into a true fan-favorite character. It’ll be nice to see her back in the sci-fi fold.
Who do you think Rothery will be playing this fall?

(Via Gateworld)

 

[mocomic]

Iris West

Investigative reporter sent to report on the vigilante. You always have reporters around heroes don't you.

 

[Frico]

Green Arrow TV says she's playing Jean Loring:

Smallville and Stargate SG-1 actress Teryl Rothery recently confirmed that she will have a role in the second season of The CW's Arrow in a 3-4 episode arc, but she didn't say which character she would be playing. Now, Green Arrow TV has confirmed that her character is Jean Loring, best known in the comics for being the wife and then ex-wife of Ray Palmer/The Atom. Loring will make her premiere in episode three, and we also have the following character description. "JEAN LORING is a savvy attorney from the DC COMICS UNIVERSE who would do anything for her clients. Jean makes her way onto “Arrow” as a longtime friend and legal counsel to Moira Queen, who is on trial for her role in the destruction of The Glades, but soon finds herself pulled into the scandalous lives of the entire Queen family." Interestingly, there was a "Ray and Jean" reference in the episode "The Undertaking" last season. Could we see Dr. Palmer appear on the show at some point?

 

[Loki882]

Well, Laurel did mention a "Ray and Jean" in that pizza flashback with Oliver, so this makes sense. Hopefully, this means that Ray Palmer will make an appearance. Also, hopefully she doesn't start killing people for completely stupid and nonsensical reasons.

 

[BH/HHH]

Awesome, I eat you any money we get Ray Palmer enforce the seasons out, I wonder if they want to do the shrinking superhero before Marvel release Ant Man.

 

[The Squirrel]

This show just gets better and better. I am super pumped for season two.

 

[BH/HHH]

Lim getting more and more excited especially with the Flash appearing.

Its funny how I've flipped my opinions at first I was excited for Superman Batman but now I'm apprehensive. Whereas at the prospect f the Foash appearing on Arrow I was apprehensive but now I'm excited t:

 

[Loki882]

BH/HHH, I really don't get why there is anything to be apprehensive about SM/BM, we know nothing concrete about it. CB fans just seem to instinctively be pessimistic about everything and think the worst rather than be optimistic and hope for the best, which is sad. Agree about Flash on Arrow, it's exciting. Still pissed than WW is getting screwed over yet again.

 

[BH/HHH]

BH/HHH, I really don't get why there is anything to be apprehensive about SM/BM, we know nothing concrete about it. CB fans just seem to instinctively be pessimistic about everything and think the worst rather than be optimistic and hope for the best, which is sad. Agree about Flash on Arrow, it's exciting. Still pissed than WW is getting screwed over yet again.

I'm sitting on the side of caution, nothing wrong with that at all. Better to not have high hopes sometimes. There are other factors but I don't want to get into them here.

 

[Arach Knight]

I honestly don't like the idea of piggy-backing off of a show grounded in realism for the sake of having a backdoor pilot to launch a super-powered character. Granted, Arrow features quite a bit of magical realism, but I don't want that to be broken for what amounts to business motivations. Launch a Flash show separately and keep the worlds separate.

I realize I am a lone voice on the matter, but I always hated the fact that characters like Green Arrow and Batman exist in a world with Wonder Woman, Superman, The Flash etc.
I believe there should be a DC Noir universe for the non-powered street crime characters (The Question, Batman, Green Arrow) and the standard universe for all of the modern demi-gods like Wonder Woman and Superman.

There is no real reason for Oliver to continue on as he does in a world where there is someone who can move faster than light and pass through objects by accelerating his molecular activity. I enjoy the grit of Arrow. Deviating from the format is just a bad idea. That is why the last five seasons of Smallville became increasingly sloppy. They tried to keep with the original format, but kept introducing things that deviated from what made the show work.

So Arrow needs to remain its own little world. If they want to introduce more characters that are grounded, such as their handling of The Huntress, then I'm all for it. Heck, even Dinah becoming Black Canary with the Canary Cry may not be so bad (could be explained as a sonic weapon). But speedsters? That's just opening a can of worms that will ruin this show quickly...

 

[BH/HHH]

Arach Knight whilst I don't wholeheartedly agree I do share your fear, I do worry what this means for Arrow because as I've said previously I know people who really like this show and they're gonna turn off when the Flash shows up cause they ain't into the hyper realism surrounding super powered heroes. Myself I'll probably dig it aslong as its done right but I do wonder how this effects their original plans for the show.

 

[Loki882]

Flash is fundamentally sci-fi, and Arrow already features a lot of sci-fi (earthquake machines for instance). They can make it work, maybe some kind of chemical explosion gives Barry his powers.

 

[Loki882]

Also, sticking to the same format gets boring and repetitive after a while, you need to change things up. Seeing these very different characters with very different skills interact with each other is fun.

 

[BH/HHH]

Flash is fundamentally sci-fi, and Arrow already features a lot of sci-fi (earthquake machines for instance). They can make it work, maybe some kind of chemical explosion gives Barry his powers.

I'm sure they'll make it work but I think it's a bigger leap than Earthquake machines. They even had one if those in the Nolanverse.

I hope they stick to how it was done in the comics, lightning mixed with chemicals. I think they could definitely make that work, I guess escalations gonna be a huge thing in the Arrow universe. Barry Allen gaining super powers is gonna be like the first domino that knocks all the others over.

 

[mr. peasant]

I'm sure they'll make it work but I think it's a bigger leap than Earthquake machines. They even had one if those in the Nolanverse.

I hope they stick to how it was done in the comics, lightning mixed with chemicals. I think they could definitely make that work, I guess escalations gonna be a huge thing in the Arrow universe. Barry Allen gaining super powers is gonna be like the first domino that knocks all the others over.

Actually, I hope they don't do that; as that's all the more sci-fi. Rather, I hope they rework the Flash's origin into something seemingly more plausible; e.g. something to do with bio-engineering perhaps. Prostheses and exoskeletons are probably out though as that would change the character too much.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Bio-engineering is boring to me, on top of being done too much. Amazing Spider-Man is going that route with most of their villains, Iron Man 3's Extremis was the same thing.

To me, it's kind of a lazy excuse to writing a creative origin. Because some dude was doing science on people!

Lightning and chemicals for me.

 

[The Squirrel]

I think superpowers will open a lot of doors for this show, but I don't think they are going to over do it. Introducing the Flash is still a long way from turning this show into Heroes. I'm sure they will stick with Green Arrow's roots as much as his comic series has.

 

[Paradox1]

Lightning and chemicals or accidental transformation was the thing at the time as well. There is a Barry origin I think could work involving the speed force where it's like this being I remember reading in the comics.

 

[Loki882]

If we start to get things like GL constructs in the show, then maybe their going too far. But Flash, I can buy that in this universe.

 

[BH/HHH]

Actually, I hope they don't do that; as that's all the more sci-fi. Rather, I hope they rework the Flash's origin into something seemingly more plausible; e.g. something to do with bio-engineering perhaps. Prostheses and exoskeletons are probably out though as that would change the character too much.

Lightning strikes things all the time, maybe they could works something in where he's trying something with a lightning rod or something.

 

[mr. peasant]

Bio-engineering is boring to me, on top of being done too much. Amazing Spider-Man is going that route with most of their villains, Iron Man 3's Extremis was the same thing.

To me, it's kind of a lazy excuse to writing a creative origin. Because some dude was doing science on people!

Lightning and chemicals for me.

The thing is that back in the day, things like lightning, chemicals and gamma rays weren't particularly well understood by the average reader (or even the average person). So, when a comic stated that "X got superpowers after getting exposed to lightning/chemicals/radiation", readers could go along with it and even say "that makes sense".

Nowadays however, how these things work are far better understood and part of general knowledge that if the show stated "Barry Allen got super speed after being struck by lightning", people are likely going to respond with "that's not how lightning works". This is the kind of thing that breaks suspension of disbelief given Arrow's "realistic" setting.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

It's superheroes. It shouldn't all be believable. If you want something to actually make sense, read a ****ing science text book instead.

 

[Arach Knight]

It's superheroes. It shouldn't all be believable. If you want something to actually make sense, read a ****ing science text book instead.

Just because the text we are dealing with involves preternatural fiction does not negate following any form of logic. First of all, even if a fictive narrative abandons real world logic, it must have internally consistent logic. In the world of Arrow, there is no such precedent that would make lightning seem magical. Even in modern comics (which have relied more on magical realism/speculative fiction than on hard and fast sci-fi or outright fantasy), one can't get away with just spewing complete crap.

We all know that radiation kills, or at the least, causes cancer. We know that lightning doesn't grant amazing powers, but it does kill you. Bio-engineering however is something that we are familiar with. Bio-engineering has given the world bioluminescent mice, by splicing genes. So it would be more reasonable to have a bio-engineered Flash as opposed to "chemicals" and lightning.

As for Arrow being science-fiction, only in the loosest of senses. Honestly, the term "sci-fi" is misapplied as a blanket term that nearly envelops anything involving meta-humans or advanced technology. Arrow is an urban fantasy, and would be better classified as speculative fiction. Arrow has none of the aims that are common with science-fiction proper, e.g. The X-Men.