Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - Part 6

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You know, I hope he did kill Merlyn, but he gets brought back through the Lazarus pit. For someone who got defeated and had his plan ruined, he still did decent and destroyed a good portion of the Glades. It would be awesome to see him emerge from the pit, not knowing what's going on, and then you have a figure appearing and saying "The Master still has plans for you.". That is if they are allowed to use the Lazarus pit, even though Ra's himself is off limits.
 
Merlyn is dead.

There has been no confirmation of that but apparently we will find out tonight:

Is Malcolm Merlyn actually dead? It seemed like his fate was left up in the air. Was that on purpose or do you want to set the record straight?

Guggenheim:
I never want to set the record straight. We have a moment in mind for the Season 2 premiere that should give you an answer to that question, but the thing that I always do say — and I said this to John Barrowman and to Colin Donnell — this is a show that does flashbacks. So just because a character is dead doesn't mean we've necessarily seen the last of them on this show.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-season2-spoilers-guggenheim-1065736.aspx
 
I see your point, some superheroes want to become symbols of hope and I get that to do that, you can't kill, but can the people of Gotham really change? Isn't Gotham still more or less the same since batman first appeared?

All I hope is that Oliver doesn't stop killing, imagine if he didn't kill Merlyn or deal with vertigo and all the other mob bosses and what not, thousands more people would have died. In the new promo, he says when he puts on the good, its kill or be killed, so I hope he stays killing.

P.s spider man is cool, one of my favourite marvel Heros.

I suppose it depends on one's depiction. What I mean is, Gotham from the outside, probably seems like the same since Batman has appeared, but I'm sure under the surface you would see that actually, it has changed. Batman has followers and probably even a cult, that he obviously wouldn't have if he weren't there. More people are willing to stand up now because this Batman did it first, he created a chain effect. Yeah more villains appear, but more people I bet are willing to believe and do something about that because Batman does it than if he weren't there. People look up to Batman. Now how big of an effect does that have in Gotham? Well, who knows, but even the smallest change is still change. As in crime rates, I assume just the presence of Batman would lower it as especially the lower-tier criminals wouldn't want to chance running into him. Then again there would be gangs who would want to try and kill Bats for the big bucks, so. It's almost like saying, if you put a group of police officers in a certain area, would that discourage or encourage people to go to that area?

And not killing doesn't mean not dealing with them, but finding other means of dealing with them. I.E. Spider-Man webs criminals up to let the police and the law deal with them. Also that's why Ravencroft was invented, or Arkham Asylym. I get what you mean though, Virtigo was going to escape, if he wasn't killed, he probably would have again. Merlyn would probably get out of anything regarding the law, so then what do you do? So I agree that they both needed to die.(Though the latter mgiht not even be dead)

I also partially agree with you on Ollie, however he should only kill those that cannot be contained or are to dangerous not too.

Yay a fellow spidey fan! :cool: :spidey: :highfive:
 
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I wouldn't count Merlyn out just yet...

Yeah, I hope he is not dead. Episode 5 of season 2 is the action most action packed episode they have done, according to Amell.
 
Do we know when Slade will appear as Deathstroke on the show?
 
Do we know when Slade will appear as Deathstroke on the show?

He will still appear in flash backs, but in present time, I read somewhere that we will get a clue as to if slade appears in the present time after a few episodes.
 
I suppose it depends on one's depiction. What I mean is, Gotham from the outside, probably seems like the same since Batman has appeared, but I'm sure under the surface you would see that actually, it has changed. Batman has followers and probably even a cult, that he obviously wouldn't have if he weren't there. More people are willing to stand up now because this Batman did it first, he created a chain effect. Yeah more villains appear, but more people I bet are willing to believe and do something about that because Batman does it than if he weren't there. People look up to Batman. Now how big of an effect does that have in Gotham? Well, who knows, but even the smallest change is still change. As in crime rates, I assume just the presence of Batman would lower it as especially the lower-tier criminals wouldn't want to chance running into him. Then again there would be gangs who would want to try and kill Bats for the big bucks, so. It's almost like saying, if you put a group of police officers in a certain area, would that discourage or encourage people to go to that area?

And not killing doesn't mean not dealing with them, but finding other means of dealing with them. I.E. Spider-Man webs criminals up to let the police and the law deal with them. Also that's why Ravencroft was invented, or Arkham Asylym. I get what you mean though, Virtigo was going to escape, if he wasn't killed, he probably would have again. Merlyn would probably get out of anything regarding the law, so then what do you do? So I agree that they both needed to die.(Though the latter mgiht not even be dead)

I also partially agree with you on Ollie, however he should only kill those that cannot be contained or are to dangerous not too.

Yay a fellow spidey fan! :cool: :spidey: :highfive:
I think that that is one of the things that certain non-comics readers, or even fans, have trouble accepting. Spider Man lets the Police arrest the GG, or Doc Ock, or Electro, etc. Then, they inevitably escape, kill more people, and the cycle repeats itself. It's the same with Batman and the Joker. It's a no win scenario for writers. You can't kill the villains off, because they're too marketable/iconic. However, by not doing so, you make it seem like the heroes care more about their own personal "code" than the hundreds or thousands of people who could be saved if they just killed these psychos (Batman doesn't just not kill the Joker, he actively prevents OTHERS from killing him as well).
 
I think that that is one of the things that certain non-comics readers, or even fans, have trouble accepting. Spider Man lets the Police arrest the GG, or Doc Ock, or Electro, etc. Then, they inevitably escape, kill more people, and the cycle repeats itself. It's the same with Batman and the Joker. It's a no win scenario for writers. You can't kill the villains off, because they're too marketable/iconic. However, by not doing so, you make it seem like the heroes care more about their own personal "code" than the hundreds or thousands of people who could be saved if they just killed these psychos (Batman doesn't just not kill the Joker, he actively prevents OTHERS from killing him as well).

Well, in Spider-Mans case, I'm fine with him not killing people because he is still is a kid, and if he did kill someone it would probably screw with his head big time. Batman, on the other hand just doesn't make any sense.
 
A really good start to the season. I'm excited to see Oliver grow into becoming more of a hero.
 
I see your point, some superheroes want to become symbols of hope and I get that to do that, you can't kill, but can the people of Gotham really change? Isn't Gotham still more or less the same since batman first appeared?

All I hope is that Oliver doesn't stop killing, imagine if he didn't kill Merlyn or deal with vertigo and all the other mob bosses and what not, thousands more people would have died. In the new promo, he says when he puts on the good, its kill or be killed, so I hope he stays killing.

P.s spider man is cool, one of my favourite marvel Heros.

According to most writers, Gotham has gotten better since Batman's debut. Being corrupt is no longer the status quo of most police officers and, although supervillain crime is higher, crime in general has decreased. At the start of Morrison's run, Batman even cleaned Gotham overall.

As for Oliver, he will stop killing this season according to the writers. They said Oliver will evolve from vigilante to the Green Arrow of the comics and the fact that Tommy died remembering him as a murderer will have a major impact on him and on how he operates.

Also, what do you mean by "imagine if Oliver didn't kill Vertigo"? He didn't kill Vertigo.
 
My thoughts on the premiere:

Thea is still a little annoying. To an extent, I understand where she's coming from, but she just comes across as petulant.

I'm already bored to tears with Oliver and Laurel.

The obligatory exposition the characters delivered wasn't delivered very well.

Some of the dialogue was clunky.

Oliver needs to stop showing off his skills in public. Desperate times call for desperate measures, but somebody's bound to get suspicious eventually.

Felicity is gorgeous as hell. However, I found myself wondering why she was in the room when her corporate superiors were making important business decisions that didn't really affect her one way or another.

I'm all for Oliver killing less, but I felt like they hammered it in a little too much.

I'm really excited for the rest of the season. It's shaping up to be something special.
 
Season One is now on Netflix...time to get caught up.
 
Not done with the premiere yet, but the Central City nod and Roy stepping up is making me hopeful for this season.
 
So, at the very last scene of the episode, who else was yelling at the TV, "Say it! JUST SAY YOUR DAMN NAME ALREADY!"
 
So, at the very last scene of the episode, who else was yelling at the TV, "Say it! JUST SAY YOUR DAMN NAME ALREADY!"

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He better be called Green Arrow the next Episode, now that he actually wants a name change.
 
I knew they weren't going call him GA in this episode.
 
Honestly can't see him being called 'Green Arrow' this season... I suspect they'll just label him 'Arrow'
 
Here's a picture of Roy fighting the copycats:

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Honestly can't see him being called 'Green Arrow' this season... I suspect they'll just label him 'Arrow'

Perhaps when Roy joins Ollie, he'll point out that he can't also be called Arrow, so they designate colours for each.
 
I can live with him simply being called "Arrow," at least for now. Anything would be better than "The Hood" or "The Hood Guy." I'm guessing that Roy will either be Red Arrow or Arsenal and Thea will be Speedy.
 
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