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Really good episode. Glad Laurel kinda sucked her first real go round but as much as I liked it its gonna bother me if she's thrown into the crossfire again with Roy and Digg without anymore training. Diggle and Roy have trained with Ollie so I feel like they know exactly what it takes to keep up the hero work so hopefully down the line we see them offering to train Laurel before letting her on any other missions, just cause it just seems--I dunno irresponsible I guess. Then again Oliver let a powerless Roy join him in a fight against supersoldiers so eh, I guess I can let this slide.

And I'm still waiting on Katana to pull out the Soulblade thing of hers as the reason why he's alive cause this magical herbal sensation thing that brought Ollie back to life is just weak to me.
 
My only issues with this season so far is clumsy pacing and unclear threats early on. Otherwise, the positives outweigh the negatives.
Ray has been a welcome breath of fresh air.
Roy and Diggle getting the spotlight has been fun.
Brick is turning out great.
Laurel's struggle to A.)deal with the inevitable death of Sara and B.)turn it into a path toward the Canary is nice to see as opposed to off screen training and "She's a martial artist now"
The action as per usual is fantastic.
Flash crossover
Boomerang set up in prison with Slade
Ras showing how flat out scarily skilled he is against Oliver.

Agree with the above so, so much. I'd always been nervous about how the writers were going to transition into Laurel's Black Canary without making it either unrealistic or underwhelming - especially given the scrutiny such a moment by the show's (and the character's) critics. Making her decision to don the jacket one of necessity - with the rest of Team Arrow abandoning the fight, and with Laurel feeling as the only person left willing to protect the city - a pretty clever move on the writers' part. It develops her character and story, allows her to bungle up, and pays due respect to the credibility set forth by Sara.
 
Gotta chuckle at the fact that even the CW-DCU won't let Brandon throw a punch, as of yet, while playing Ray Palmer....First Singer with Supes..now this.lol
 
BTW, I did love the "Red Arrow" reference.:woot: It would be cool if they actually stick to that name,once Ollie comes back.

They keep acting like Ollie has to "earn" that name,but I don't get that. He didn't even name himself Arrow,apparently. I don't see the time when he says "I've finally earned the right to name myself!"
 
I've been meaning to ask, I wonder why Oliver and company are so okay with Diggs using firearms, where he's likely to kill almost everyone that he comes across in battle, while everyone else has to adhere to a "no kill" policy.
 
I'm hoping Ra's get's to explain DJ's role in the LOA to Ollie.

"Over the centuries,the LOA tried many ways to restore the balance to civilization.This time we tried a new one: DJ-ing. We got a member who could lay down phat beats and do a sick light show to infiltrate your sisters club."
 
No one really brought up Laurel's Blackmail #317 this episode with the Coolieo wannabe. Now I know,a lot of you are probably law students and will probably find a loophole making what she did possible,but--I thought there was a little thing called "Probable Cause" which prevented cops from just writing down "Joe Smith just robbed a convenience store" and arresting him,when there was no evidence that Joe was anywhere near the scene. :huh:
 
I've been meaning to ask, I wonder why Oliver and company are so okay with Diggs using firearms, where he's likely to kill almost everyone that he comes across in battle, while everyone else has to adhere to a "no kill" policy.

I'm guessing it's no different than what they do with bow & arrows.They just expect him not to go for a kill shot.
 
No one really brought up Laurel's Blackmail #317 this episode with the Coolieo wannabe. Now I know,a lot of you are probably law students and will probably find a loophole making what she did possible,but--I thought there was a little thing called "Probable Cause" which prevented cops from just writing down "Joe Smith just robbed a convenience store" and arresting him,when there was no evidence that Joe was anywhere near the scene. :huh:

That was pretty messed up.
 
I continue to be disturbed with how Laurel as well as the team are going to these great lengths to hide the fact Sara is dead from her own father. Going as far as copying her voice and using it in this episode??! WTF?? Just tell him already, it's disgusting.
 
I'm guessing it's no different than what they do with bow & arrows.They just expect him not to go for a kill shot.

Shooting Brick in the head during their first encounter, is anything but non lethal.lol
 
No one really brought up Laurel's Blackmail #317 this episode with the Coolieo wannabe. Now I know,a lot of you are probably law students and will probably find a loophole making what she did possible,but--I thought there was a little thing called "Probable Cause" which prevented cops from just writing down "Joe Smith just robbed a convenience store" and arresting him,when there was no evidence that Joe was anywhere near the scene. :huh:

God.... I can't believe I'm gonna defend her... but I think she was just bluffing. Then again, with the bs they pulled in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't supposed to be bluffing.
 
God.... I can't believe I'm gonna defend her... but I think she was just bluffing. Then again, with the bs they pulled in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't supposed to be bluffing.

PRES ROOSEVELT'S VOICE-

On January 29, 2015.... A Day which will live in Infamy, S.H.H User and Long Time Laurel Critic...Defended Laurel's character with one of his posts.
 
God.... I can't believe I'm gonna defend her... but I think she was just bluffing. Then again, with the bs they pulled in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't supposed to be bluffing.

I agree it was a bluff.
 
PRES ROOSEVELT'S VOICE-

On January 29, 2015.... A Day which will live in Infamy, S.H.H User and Long Time Laurel Critic...Defended Laurel's character with one of his posts.
lol wow this isn't that shocking to me. But I can see it blew a lot of peeps minds
 
I'm guessing it's no different than what they do with bow & arrows.They just expect him not to go for a kill shot.
yep they're using the excuse of "{he's a soldier/ actually marine so no one should question it at all thought .

even if it doesn't fit with what he did as a job back then when he was on tour like detective work which he knows nothing about to be ad expert the securty thing how ever since he was body guard you do have to wonder about & the fact that & why he won't buy a better security system for their HQ as his soo to be wife for a favor there . or the fact that it took brick's blow to the head to remind him that he was a bodyguard he hasn't been doing that for a very long time lol
 
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It was more than that to me. It's put a massive bad taste in my mouth for this whole season so far. It took what was a great season finale and an opportunity to introduce another part of Ra's legacy (the pits) and instead cheapened the entire thing. Ollie's "survival" was laughable, and now just made that finale cheap shock value instead of an outlet to advance the story.

This entire season has been severely lowered in my eyes. That's just lazy writing, and cheap shock tactics to keep viewers watching. And the worst part is that it wasn't needed. It's a huge disappointment.

You are damn right... a person that gets stabbed like that doesn't just survive that easily... although a couple of months could have passed in between the episodes, the survival was laughable unless they explain something that came from the pits. Just herbs as an antibiotic is not enough. He should looked like ****, almost frozen and blue... They should have used the pits and give Olliver the same odds as Rha's.
 
You are damn right... a person that gets stabbed like that doesn't just survive that easily... although a couple of months could have passed in between the episodes, the survival was laughable unless they explain something that came from the pits. Just herbs as an antibiotic is not enough. He should looked like ****, almost frozen and blue... They should have used the pits and give Olliver the same odds as Rha's.


Ras didn't twist the blade to with the chest wound, to make sure ollie bled out fast as possible with the drop. but it did go through the problem is and I watched 3 times the chest wound was between the nipple & rib cage just under his lunge if you look at it it's possible that it wasn't fully punctured but knicked. The stumock left side wound how ever I can't say if it hit his liver. but I'm sure the reason he was coffin blood was due to the chest wound. it's the fall that made this all worse the it was though


besides the pit has a limit from what the books say to brig him back to life as well. he has to be still alive o the verge of death not dead so it make this tough
 
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a fall that would have killed ANYONE.... unless they explain that the actual hill is some sort of lazarus pit or that end was in fact the lazarus pit, i see no way he survives, the wound, the cold AND the fall.
 
a fall that would have killed ANYONE.... unless they explain that the actual hill is some sort of lazarus pit or that end was in fact the lazarus pit, i see no way he survives, the wound, the cold AND the fall.
They made the fall worse then it was for buzz & ratings but with north america TV this has been done alot especially with day time soaps (which I hate cause alot of the stuff is moronic both how the characters act & stories but how they act is the wosre of it.) but they did that so often other place with action or just other places , that I kinda saw this coming.

Also there's fact with how the pit works & both DC & Wb wanting it all intact lore wise.


Hopefully not. No offense.
your one of the more sense able posters

I did some looking up on the Lazarus pit both comic's & ollie it's not healthy those the want it to be used on any of the heroes lol wow here's the low down

Lazarus Pits.

History

A Lazarus Pit is a natural phenomenon that possesses restorative properties that instantly heals injuries and even granting immortality. The origins of the Lazarus Pit was accidentally discovered by Ra's al Ghul while digging a pit where he discovered the restorative chemical pools while searching for a cure to a dying prince. Although the Lazarus Pit saved the prince's life, it also drove him mad and into killing Ra's al Ghul's wife, Sora. This incident led to a series of cruel circumstances for Ra's al Ghul's into becoming the feared "Demon's Head". For several centuries, the Lazarus Pits were used by Ra's al Ghul to prolong his life.
The Lazarus Pits have been later used by multiple people across the globe, including Ra's al Ghul's daughter, Nyssa, the Black Canary (Dinah Laurel Lance)[1], The Riddler, Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain and Kate Kane .
The fanatical terrorist known as Kobra also had his own hidden network of Lazarus Pits after having analyzed and duplicated the chemical compositions of the Pits. Furthermore, Kobra's analysis of the Lazarus Pits' chemicals allowed to control those he resurrected as mindless slaves.
Eventually all of the Lazarus Pits were apparently destroyed by Bane and Batman, except for one. Because each Lazarus Pit can reportedly only be used one time, Ra's had to accept the fact that eventually he would die (a notion that is subject to debate, as there is evidence of him existing in the 31st century). His daughter Nyssa, however, had discovered a way to make the Lazarus Pits last indefinitely, but rather than let her father use it, she stabbed him to death. Although supposedly only one pit remains, its location has appeared vague - at one point it appears to be in an island compound Ra's assaulted, later it appeared to be in a completely different location, and another "last" pit was constructed inside the Batcave. This may in fact indicate that there is more than one pit remaining, or that Nyssa was able to create additional pits.
Powers

The substance that fills each pit is a chemical blend of unknown composition, seemingly originating from somewhere within the Earth's crust. For an unknown reason, it bubbles to the surface only at certain key points around the globe, typically at the junction of ley lines. The chemicals can rejuvenate the sick and the dying (and even the technically deceased as long as they have not yet truly died), but will typically kill a healthy user. In addition, it appears to act as a youth restorative sometimes, decreasing the age of a user depending how long they were in the pit, and in many cases, resurrect the dead.
For maximum efficiency however, a decedent must be placed within the Lazarus pit within a relatively short period of time following their death. Although older bodies may be resurrected, there is no guarantee that they will return in perfect condition. On one occasion, Ra's exhumed the bodies of Thomas and Martha Wayne, threatening to immerse them in the pit, transforming them into undead zombies.[2]
When used to heal or to bring someone back to life, that person is also rendered temporarily insane (although one instance when it was used for the Joker, it temporarily rendered him sane).

that's what I call the rabies mode where they kill everyone in that room with them that's Lazarus pit Nature


Also the corruptive fact that what it still does to a person idea of Right and wrong long term after rabies mode ends & people want this used on Oliver & sara.
From: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=491875&page=3
 
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I've mentioned it already, but the main problem here is that either Ollie should have died due to his wound and the fall (in my opinion, true) or else he survived, and Ra's is a bumbling idiot who can't kill worth a damn, making him a totally useless super-assassin.

Then again, someone also pointed out that maybe he did die and Tatsu is just hiding the fact from him. (apparently people like to lie about who died on this show.)
 
No one really brought up Laurel's Blackmail #317 this episode with the Coolieo wannabe. Now I know,a lot of you are probably law students and will probably find a loophole making what she did possible,but--I thought there was a little thing called "Probable Cause" which prevented cops from just writing down "Joe Smith just robbed a convenience store" and arresting him,when there was no evidence that Joe was anywhere near the scene. :huh:

I looked at it as bluffing. Not to mention cops try to use scare tactics all the time when interrogating someone so I didn't look at it any different here.
 
I looked at it as bluffing. Not to mention cops try to use scare tactics all the time when interrogating someone so I didn't look at it any different here.
yeah it was in deed a scare tactic which makes Laural a better interrogator then Ollie & his teacher Waller. lol which is sad cause of what he learned from Waller teaching method. lol most other spies would look at Argus in shame.

Also it's not like dirty cops & lawyer's haven't framed people.

While Laurel isn't dirty, this isn't really unheard of even if they not allowed to do it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, there' was that stunt the police task force captain in gang related did which some would say was overly dirty .

I said Waller was a bad teacher at least this shows version is. Due to the writers wanting her to be a overly psycho pyro & psycho all around .
 
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