Arrow Arrow Season 2 Episode 20 : "Seeing Red" Rate and Review Thread

[Nathan]

Oh man, I really had to laugh at some point in the Episode. Moira did to Blood, what Oliver did to Tommy. Looking him up and telling him one thing, and then doing the exact opposite. Ollie to Tommy "I can't be with her, you should fight for her." *sleeps with Laurel*. Moira to Blood "I'm dropping out of the race, I care about my daughter". *stays in the race*

Oh, and as soon as Moira said she knew, I knew she was a goner. Just didn't expect it this soon though. Still liking Slade, despite him being a gigantic ***hole. I really liked how they showed him tear up. He's not doing the things he does lightly, and I believe he truly regretted killing her. He probably regrets everything that led up to this, but he keeps getting pushed by Shado's "ghost".

And I'm not even mad about the breakup. They had a bumpy romance in the comics. I could eventually see them getting back together, once she had time to properly heal like Ollie did.

Oh, and I'm still in love with how they portray super strength. I think it's done really well and doesn't look cartoony at all, most of the time.

 

[fire117]

Oh man, I really had to laugh at some point in the Episode. Moira did to Blood, what Oliver did to Tommy. Looking him up and telling him one thing, and then doing the exact opposite. Ollie to Tommy "I can't be with here, you should fight for her." *sleeps with Laurel*. Moira to Blood "I'm dropping out of the race, I care about my daughter". *stays in the race*

Oh, and as soon as Moira said she knew, I knew she was a goner. Just didn't expect it this soon though. Still liking Slade, despite him being a gigantic ***hole. I really liked how they showed him tear up. He's not doing the things he does lightly, and I believe he truly regretted killing her. He probably regrets everything that led up to this, but he keeps getting pushed by Shado's "ghost".

And I'm not even mad about the breakup. They had a bumpy romance in the comics. I could eventually see them getting back together, once she had time to properly heal like Ollie did.

Oh, and I'm still in love with how they portray super strength. I think it's done really well and doesn't look cartoony at all, most of the time.

I think Slade regretted killing Moira as well. After all he's a parent.

I'm sure in her position he'd do the same thing for his own son.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I really feel like Slade's motivation is a little flimsy, especially when he is doing such horrible things.

Well, it's a bit delusional, I'm not sure about flimsy. If anything, the part of the plan he just did (along with killing Sarah) is the part that makes the most sense. He thinks Oliver should have chosen Shado and he told him that he will kill those closest to him because of it. Given this, forcing Oliver to make the same choice again was expected. Killing Sarah, which he thinks should have happened on the island, also makes sense. Really, the thing that makes the least sense is creating the army. I don't think he necessarily has any reason to want to destroy Scarlet City as a whole, even in his paranoid, insane state.

Thea HAS to find out that Oliver is GA now. I mean, she knows that Slade was on the island with him and that this is a personal vendetta. Trying to string it out that she still can't know would be really dumb on the writer's part.

To be fair, there's a difference between knowing about Oliver's secret life on the island and his secret life now. I fully concede that, once he starts fighting Deathstroke as the Arrow, she should probably come pretty close to knowing, but the island itself isn't a clue to his current life unless you know a lot more about the details. That doctor that was making Vertigo knew half of the island mystery (that Oliver was scarred physically and psychologically from it), but he still didn't have any knowledge that Oliver was the Arrow until he saw his face.

 

[Mikelus]

And I'm not even mad about the breakup. They had a bumpy romance in the comics. I could eventually see them getting back together, once she had time to properly heal like Ollie did.

Well, the producers said Laurel and Ollie are their Lois & Clark, so it was never going to last with Sara, she's just the first BC.

Another great episode... I knew Moira was going to die this season, but the way they did it was very well done. I guess Thea will know Ollie's secret soon, I see Malcolm helping Team Arrow save the city and train Thea for a while, so she will become the comics Speedy, Roy should be Arsenal... Season 3 is looking very interesting indeed.

 

[Kar]

When Ollie nearly passed out from the shock....man. I felt that.

Stephen Amell is a really good actor. I definitely wasn't expecting Moira to go. Now its even more personal. I hope Team Arrow ****s Slade up.

Sidenote....I hated Roy all raged up in this episode. I hope this is the last time cause I don't wanna start disliking him.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

WOW did not see that one coming! literally had to gasp and tear up with the ending!

 

[Hunter Rider]

Could that be either Sara or Laurel? My guess.

Looking at Slade's moves so far he's already played his piece with Laurel by telling her Ollie is The Arrow, and I'm not sure killing Sara is likely simply because he knows that Sara, like Ollie and himself, can suffer more by staying alive and living with the things they've done and losses they've suffered.

I actually think it might be Felicity, she's been in the background a bit recently but I could see Slade thinking that killing her will turn Ollie back to the assassin he was in season 1, taking away all his light.

 

[fire117]

Looking at Slade's moves so far he's already played his piece with Laurel by telling her Ollie is The Arrow, and I'm not sure killing Sara is likely simply because he knows that Sara, like Ollie and himself, can suffer more by staying alive and living with the things they've done and losses they've suffered.

I actually think it might be Felicity, she's been in the background a bit recently but I could see Slade thinking that killing her will turn Ollie back to the assassin he was in season 1, taking away all his light.

I hope its Laurel personally.

 

[Kar]

I wonder who Sara's "old friend" is. Nyssa?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Wow... Fantastic episode, as if I needed another reminder as to why Arrow may already be my favorite show of all time. This show has serious balls and I love how it rarely wastes any time.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I wonder who Sara's "old friend" is. Nyssa?

I'll be surprised if it's anyone other than Nyssa.

 

[Loki882]

Or maybe Ra's himself?

 

[JC00]

Looking at Slade's moves so far he's already played his piece with Laurel by telling her Ollie is The Arrow, and I'm not sure killing Sara is likely simply because he knows that Sara, like Ollie and himself, can suffer more by staying alive and living with the things they've done and losses they've suffered.

I actually think it might be Felicity, she's been in the background a bit recently but I could see Slade thinking that killing her will turn Ollie back to the assassin he was in season 1, taking away all his light.

Ya I agree with this.

Slade could have crushed Sara's throat or broke her neck days earlier and all he did was chuck her across the room. If he was really set on killing her I think that's when he would have done it. Although if it is Sara then it is head-scratching writing as he had her by the throat and just let her go. I mean this was the guy that butchered a few of Blood's henchmen because Laurel poked around.

The only person Slade hasn't come at is Felicity. Just no-way Slade hasn't noticed Felicity.

 

[Nathan]

The only person Slade hasn't come at is Felicity. Just no-way Slade hasn't noticed Felicity.

Maybe he will pull an Norman Osborn on her.

 

[chamber-music]

As soon as I saw the Ollie got a girl pregnant scene I though of Connor Hawke t:

I always knew Oliver would end up an orphan at some point in the show. In all three of the big DC continuities Oliver's parents end up dead by the time he is in his twenties.

Deathstroke is one cold son of a gun.

Kreisberg's says we will revisit the kid in season 3, him becoming Malcolm's protege would be interesting....

In the current Green Arrow comics archer villain Komodo raises Olivers half-sister as his killer protege and she doesn't know Oliver is her brother so perhaps they could borrow some ideas from that.

Roy's roid rage I didn't find too interesting. Thea now has more stuff to be angsty about now.

 

[Loki882]

If they were going to homage the Komodo thing, then it'd make more sense to use Thea. She's even Oliver's half-sister. I also don't completely buy the breakup scene. I'm sorry Sara, but if you had no "light" in you, then you'd have just blown Roy's head off right then and there, or put two in his chest. The fact that you let him live proves that you do have "light."

 

[kane9321]

Holy sweet crap

 

[Human Torch]

If they were going to homage the Komodo thing, then it'd make more sense to use Thea. She's even Oliver's half-sister. I also don't completely buy the breakup scene. I'm sorry Sara, but if you had no "light" in you, then you'd have just blown Roy's head off right then and there, or put two in his chest. The fact that you let him live proves that you do have "light."

That's the nature of these things,to keep the lead free to rotate between actresses.I was surprised they let it last as long as they did.But Sara will be back eventually.

 

[Human Torch]

Looking at Slade's moves so far he's already played his piece with Laurel by telling her Ollie is The Arrow, and I'm not sure killing Sara is likely simply because he knows that Sara, like Ollie and himself, can suffer more by staying alive and living with the things they've done and losses they've suffered.

I actually think it might be Felicity, she's been in the background a bit recently but I could see Slade thinking that killing her will turn Ollie back to the assassin he was in season 1, taking away all his light.

Yeah,Felicity and Digg have been spared Slade's wrath for the most part.(And arguably they are closest to him.)If Slade is going to kill anybody else,he'll try for Felicity,I think.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! Moira!!! My eyes watered up a bit, Susanna Thompson is fantastic, the show will miss her, but I'm sure they can fill the void after the great job the show has done so far

Well, the producers said Laurel and Ollie are their Lois & Clark, so it was never going to last with Sara, she's just the first BC.

Another great episode... I knew Moira was going to die this season, but the way they did it was very well done. I guess Thea will know Ollie's secret soon, I see Malcolm helping Team Arrow save the city and train Thea for a while, so she will become the comics Speedy, Roy should be Arsenal... Season 3 is looking very interesting indeed.

I wonder who the S3 villain will be though. I think they are saving Ra's to use as the show's overall baddie, so I guess we shall see.

 

[Nathan]

I wouldn't mind if they don't give us another big bad like Malcolm or Slade, and instead introduce a number of gang bosses that want to take over the criminal underworld. And you have them hiring supers or just mercenaries to take care of the Arrow. Basically just a season based on a turf war. Could be fun.

They could introduce this guy.

 

[Sawyer]

I wonder who the S3 villain will be though. I think they are saving Ra's to use as the show's overall baddie, so I guess we shall see.

I think we'll see Ra's, but in terms of season-long big bad(s), I'm betting on HIVE.

 

[Quasimod0]

Am I the only one hoping Oliver never gets back with Laurel, because its pretty gross to be jumping back and forth from sleeping with sisters who he is close with. That just seems wrong.

 

[godisawesome]

Damn.

I was spoiled on the episodes events, but I could still tell just how expertly they prepped the sucker punch for the ending. While Roy's A-plot was comparatively light when you look at the other episodes around it, the creator's brilliantly used it to examine every character's emotional state.

Thea going bitter again but still holding out hope for her B-Squad team of Sin and Roy managing to solve the issues helped her display maturity and just enough introspection with Diggle and her family that we could see her starting to reach out to them.

Sara continues to prove that she's written as Oliver's peer instead of support staff throughout, and she really does echo an earlier Oliver pretty accurately while still being her own character. We got to see her own older sibling instinct with Sin, we got to see her reverse the stereotypes and cliches of couple dynamics in superhero media, and she left to presumably grab some badass reinforcements for the finale.

And most of the Oliver and Moira scenes showcased just how much of a tragic hero Moira is. She has a lot of the virtues we expect in our heroes, but enough flaws that we know some of her suffering is her own fault. And Thompson knocks it out of the park throughout the season.

And of course, all this leads to the sucker punch to the guy when the plot reaper cometh. And the last scene ties nicely into Roy's own rampage. Slade's instability stands out because we've been reminded of it throughout the episode, and Roy's own automaton style response to his condition does make even Slade's darkest moment ambiguous.

And now my conspiracy theorist self still wants Blood to be revealed to be manipulating events behind Slade's back. I know it's probably a pipe dream, but what if the hallucinations, or at least their resurgent and overwhelming nature, is the work of Blood?

 

[Golgo-13]

Intense ending to a good ep. Moira!

I really don't understand Sarah's sudden obsession with wanting to kill Roy. It seemed to come out of no where.

Regardless, this ep was definitely a game changer..things are never going to be the same…and i was surprised that Moira told Ollie she knows about his alter-ego..in so many words.

Too bad she didn't have the chance to tell them that Malcolm was still alive.

I assume that the women that Moira paid off to tell Ollie she lost the baby will somehow come back to bit him in the ass in later seasons….