The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[SpideyScott]

Andrews performance was awesome for what he was given, the character was just written very... I don't want to say bad.

 

[Hotwire]

1. I didn't like the fact that gwen knows he's spider-man, in the comics gwen hates spideman and blames him for his fathers death.
Every storyteller makes changes. Hell, Raimi threw a bigger curve at this than Webb did.

2. didn't like the fact that flash just beat the snot out of peter and peter embarrasses him in the gym and peter gets in trouble
Because, if you were paying attention, Peter hid the fact that he got beat up. However, there was no hiding breaking the backboard. That's what he got in trouble for.

3. the development of his powers during the early stages of the origin was very rushed, for example: he literally built the web shooters in 30 seconds. I love the fact he has web shooters but i felt that building them is a huge part and shouldn't be rushed. I felt he should have went out and tested them and failed and come back to fix it.
They showed him working them out, trying them, having them blow up in his face. The montage was short, yet effective.

4. Peter/connors relationship was to under developed.
They weren't recreating the comic relationship. This was their take on it. Sure, he could have learned more but, since Connors lived, that leaves things open for the sequel.

5. some of the dialogue was really out of place
Didn't notice.

6. the guy that operated the cranes towards the end to help spider-man was a little cheesy, though it was cool
Maybe a little, but it worked, and a whole lot better than Raimi's people on the bridge throwing crap at the Goblin.

7. the fact that spider-man was shot in the leg, limps for 5 minutes, then all of a sudden is better when he webs up the wound.
Standard movie healing powers. Happens in almost every action film.

8. no martha and billy, i felt that they would play a huge part like they did in "the spectacular spider-man series"
Just because we didn't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Again, Connors survived so there is room to explore this in the next round.

9. Dr. Ratha, I felt that his character was extremely unnecessary. Can someone please explain to me the point of his character? The last we really saw of him was the bridge scene, i didn't really understand his point in this movie.
He gave them the ability to show the boss in the movie without showing Norman.

10. Peter's Parents, most of the trailers said "spider-man's greatest secrets revealed", i didn't really think they explained much about his parents, just showed them in the beginning or really reveal his "greatest secrets" for that matter
It showed that he's more connected to them than he realized.

11. Lack of scenes that were shown in trailers and previous clips. there were a lot of little clips in trailers and footage that was released that wasn't in the movie, some of them i was looking forward to seeing. maybe a directors cut?
The one that stood out to me was the doorman scene. Best guess was to cut down on the run time.

12. It didn't explain the lizards reason for doing what he did, Connors personality was very under developed.
Yes it did. Watch it again and this time pay attention to the part where Peter watches the video. He explains how he now sees humans as weak and that he can improve them. Once he turns the first time, he becomes unstable. It gets worse with each transformation. However, once he receives the antidote, his original personality comes back.

13. I DID LIKE however the fact that flash had a spider-man shirt on at the end of the movie, Thats something I love. the fact that he makes fun of peter, etc. But he loves spider-man.

14. Uncle ben was obviously a good man and I think Martin did a good job with what he was given, i didn't really feel the fact that his uncles death was a big part of him becoming spider-man.
It's more subtle in this one. Notice how he kept listening to Ben's voice mail? That, combined with the speech from Cpt. Stacey is what turned him from vigilante to hero.

15. the vigilante suit that peter makes ( the red mask with sunglasses and a beanie), I really loved the fact that he made something like this before he makes the suit but this was another thing I felt was rushed.
I don't really know how much time you wanted them to spend on a, "I need a mask," scene.

16. Rushed scenes, if you notice in the beginning, most of the scenes are only 30 seconds-2 minutes
I didn't feel rushed at all.

17. No stopping petty crimes, i would love it more than anything to see spider-man just take down a bunch of criminals, like small robberys etc.
No, there was no, "stop the petty crimes," montage. That's because he was focused on the Lizard/Connors more than anything. With the way they ended things, I would imagine "crime-fighter Spidey" will lead off part 2.

18. The car thief scene were the cop shoots at spider-man from point blank range a couple times and doesn't hit him, makes no sense to me.
Shows how fast Spidey can be. Shows his reflexes.

19. Peter loses interest in his father's work halfway through the movie, I thought the fact that he's spider-man would help him find more clues.
The only thing in the briefcase was the file that gave him the algorithm.

20. One big thing everyone said about this movie, is peter would be more witty and pitch more wisecracks, i felt this would be a really funny thing with spidey vs. lizard, pitch a couple lizzy wisecracks but something i felt spiderman really lacked. Only wisecracks I recall is with the car theif.
They're in there. In fact, when he's trying to talk to Connors/Lizard in the school, he finally gives up and says, "Well, if your not gonna talk..." and webs his mouth.

21. peter was very introverted, even after uncle ben tells him "if you have the power to help someone, its your obligation"
He at first thinks he's helping people. He even tells Cpt. Stacey this. However, that doesn't mean he has to stop being an introvert.

I did infact like the lizard's look, at first i was skeptical about it, even though he lacked a labcoat throughout most of the movie. Hey, can never please comic book fans right?
Most true thing in your post!

I like the fact that the mysterious figured popped up at the end, there are so many possibilities or routes they can take for a sequel, no origin next movie, more time to focus on other things. My guess on who the mysterious figure is possibly Quinton beck? Maybe he works for oscorp? he seemed to disappear and appear out of the jail cell so you never know, even though the mysterious figure was not confirmed to be Norman osborn yet, you never know.

I would personally like to see Mysterio or kraven next, and of course Green Goblin, Bring on the death of gwen stacy ah!

My thoughts on your post are in bold.

 

[Hotwire]

Did I say that? I don't feel like making a list.

Sorry.

Well, I asked someone for examples of all three. You gave one, so I asked you for more. You just gave a snarky reply.

 

[SpideyScott]

My thoughts on your post are in bold.

Appreciate the feedback! helps a lot!

 

[elsewhere]

Well, I asked someone for examples of all three. You gave one, so I asked you for more. You just gave a snarky reply.

I gave you what I considered great CGI.

What does the rest matter? The Lizard isn't great CGI.

 

[GoldGoblin]

1.The Lizard was too big,they should of made him 6 foot tall,so he could of worn tattered clothes the whole time,and they could of used prosthetics instead of cgi if he was 6 foot tall.
The fights would of been better if it was kind of a even match.

2.Gwen had no nude scenes.

3.The crane scene,why did they have to have this?

4.The first costume he makes,the glasses and leather jacket sucks,they should of gave us the spidey suit right away.

5.The goal post getting bent.

6.The door man scene being cut.

7.The guy Dr.Connors is talking too in prison disappears.

8.Flash turning good.

 

[TheScarecrow]

2) Peter Parker. While Peter (particularly Andrew's performance) is actually the highlight of the movie; Peter is a highly inconsistent and unrealistic caricature of every teen walking the face of the Earth. Come now, I get the genius, geeky outcast. I understand the rebel seeking vengeance. What I don't understand is how in God's name a character can work when he is portraying several characters wrapped into one. Different attributes attract different people. You are never in your life going to find a young man who is a genius so far ahead of his class who is late to class all the time and breaks every rule in the school; he'll value education too much. You never going to find that same kid fascinated with skateboarding to the point of having several on his shelf. Mix into that, with his rebellious attitude, strategically unkempt hair, and hipster garb he'd likely be the talk of the school much like Flash attracts positive attention as a bully. He's careful, but a risk-taker to the extreme. Jumping off a skyscraper to test untested tech rather than a building where he could take the fall without dying, taking off his mask in broad daylight walking around a school that could be full of cops with his alter-ego exposed to the world. (Didn't he MAKE THE MASK TO KEEP IT ON!?) None of this is really consistent and never quite feels cohesive. It's unnerving and rubbed me the wrong way.

Add to that, I never (outside of helping the kid) felt that Peter was much of a heroic individual. He was a vigilante, he was a menace. Christ, while old comic Peter was flawed leading to his Uncle's death, this Peter causes his death over a bottle of chocolate-effing-milk.

When it works? It works so effing well it's scary. But when it doesn't, the whole thing falls apart.

3) Spider-man barely exists. While I felt Raimi hardly separated Pete and Spidey, this movie doesn't separate them at all. There is no altered persona or new found confidence, he's just always cocky. Spider-man hardly does anything when he shows up (outside of, again, the kid scene) and he doesn't even save the day. It's like I am watching the struggles of Peter Parker, and that's fine. But I came to see him overcome those struggles, in the form of The Amazing Spider-man. Who's.... well, hardly amazing.

I disagree with this entirely. It sounds like you're after a 2D caricature more than anything else. Someone can be all of these things, because Peter was all of these things. This was a major theme in the movie, captured by the final scene of the movie: Who am I? Peter was all these things and more because he had never actually defined himself. Webb spoke about this a number of times as well in interviews - he was missing pieces of himself as a person, like Connors was as well. The Peter in this film is trying to fill the gaps.

And FYI, I know many a smart person who acts irrationally and does things you think only the unintelligent would do (being late etc). Sounds like you're just looking for a character you can put in a specific box.

 

[Hotwire]

I gave you what I considered great CGI.

What does the rest matter? The Lizard isn't great CGI.

I beg to differ. I felt he was fantastic CGI. I can't think of a movie I've seen in the past couple years that had bad CGI. Anything older than that you really can't compare. I mean, look at the CGI in Raimi's Spider-Man. It looks like crap now.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Flash Thompson. Kinda' took me outta the movie right at the beginning.

No school today would allow a violent psychopath like that to run around and attack people. He would be expelled. It was ridiculous and over the top.

Also, if the school didn't do anything, someone would have captured the bullying on video and posted it on Reddit.

Then later on he's all lovey dovey on Pete because Ben died. The filmmakers make it seem like we should suddenly like this character. WTH? Such a drastic, unsupported change in character. The Flash in the beginning would have probably been glad to kill Peter if he could get away with it.

I just got out of high school, that kinda stuff happens. You probably either havent been in school for awhile, or havent gotten to high school yet. Teachers aren't all knowing and cant see everything, plus no one wants to look like a snitch. He wouldn't have gotten expelled, either, the punishment for fighting at my old school (regardless of how bad it is) 5 days suspension first offense, and 10 days future offenses.

Also you need to keep in mind Flash is a teenager, as a teenager your emotions change dramatically very quickly. It's obvious here Peter knows a lot of about Flash from the first scene, so they probably have history. Flash is just cocky and feels like he's ontop of the world, he probably felt guilty when Uncle Ben died.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I also kind of got the feeling that Flash too had lost someone he loved. When Peter attacks him after Ben dies he says something to the effect of "Feels better, doesn't it?".

 

[FrostBite]

I disagree with this entirely. It sounds like you're after a 2D caricature more than anything else. Someone can be all of these things, because Peter was all of these things. This was a major theme in the movie, captured by the final scene of the movie: Who am I? Peter was all these things and more because he had never actually defined himself. Webb spoke about this a number of times as well in interviews - he was missing pieces of himself as a person, like Connors was as well. The Peter in this film is trying to fill the gaps.

And FYI, I know many a smart person who acts irrationally and does things you think only the unintelligent would do (being late etc). Sounds like you're just looking for a character you can put in a specific box.

I'm not after anything of the sort. I want an individual that is realistically complex and conflicted. Not one who has every attribute shoehorned in to appeal to masses.

I am not saying that some of his conflicting attributes shouldn't exist, I am saying there shouldn't be so many of them. His characteristics are also not in anyway shape or form leading to the treatment he receives at school. It doesn't click with me, it doesn't feel natural in the slightest. He's the Übermensch of all coolness but also the social outcast. I'm not digging it, and from my experience have never seen it in real life. And was becoming studying to become psychologist at one point, all I do is watch and dissect people.

However, when it does work, particularly his home life, I effing love it.

Sorry if I didn't clarify. I'm also not saying you shouldn't enjoy that portrayal by the way, I am saying I don't. In it's current execution it feels muddled and cluttered. I understood what they were going for, I don't appreciate the follow through.

I also kind of got the feeling that Flash too had lost someone he loved. When Peter attacks him after Ben dies he says something to the effect of "Feels better, doesn't it?".

Nice catch! Might also explain why he becomes so enamored with Spider-man as someone to look up to.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

1.The Lizard was too big,they should of made him 6 foot tall,so he could of worn tattered clothes the whole time,and they could of used prosthetics instead of cgi if he was 6 foot tall.
The fights would of been better if it was kind of a even match.

2.Gwen had no nude scenes.

3.The crane scene,why did they have to have this?

4.The first costume he makes,the glasses and leather jacket sucks,they should of gave us the spidey suit right away.

5.The goal post getting bent.

6.The door man scene being cut.

7.The guy Dr.Connors is talking too in prison disappears.

8.Flash turning good.

1. Lizard in prosthetics would have looked bad. I agree about the tattered clothes, but Lizard being stronger than Spidey was something that made sense. He is at the top of the food chain, after all.

2. You're kidding right?

3. Because it was awesome, and heartwarming to see the citizens helping Spidey.

4. Nah, I liked the suit being a work in progress. It's not like he had SHIELD to immediately supply him with a costume.

5. Meh, I'm in the middle on that one.

6.I liked that scene but I understood why they cut it out.

7. That was weird, I give you that.

8. Flash was never "bad". He's not a villain, just a bully with a few problems. I liked that he showed compassion towards Peter after finding out about his uncle's death, made him seem more human and relatable.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I'm not after anything of the sort. I want an individual that is realistically complex and conflicted. Not one who has every attribute shoehorned in to appeal to masses.

I am not saying that some of his conflicting attributes shouldn't exist, I am saying there shouldn't be so many of them. His characteristics are not in anyway shape or form connotative the treatment he receives at school.

However, when it does work, particularly his home life, I effing love it.

Sorry if I didn't clarify. I'm also not saying you shouldn't enjoy that portrayal by the way, I am saying I don't. In it's current execution it feels muddled and cluttered. I understood what they were going for, I don't appreciate the follow through.

I do understand some of the inconsistencies, but I don't see it as a major issue. I will admit, I did struggle a bit to determine if Peter was supposed to be a "geek" or a "cool kid".

Perhaps I am blinded a little bit because I was so enamored by Garfield's performance.

 

[FrostBite]

I do understand some of the inconsistencies, but I don't see it as a major issue. I will admit, I did struggle a bit to determine if Peter was supposed to be a "geek" or a "cool kid".

Perhaps I am blinded a little bit because I was so enamored by Garfield's performance.

That kid totally knocked it out of the park! t: I have no criticisms with him (or any of the cast, actually) what-so-ever. The premise of the movie (cross-species tie -in) was mind-blowing even.

I was just too bogged down by the writing, something seemed to have gotten lost in translation as at times the movie shined brighter than a supernova and at others seemed to drag. It's hard for me to really form a tight-knit opinion, but have no fear, I am well aware that I am in the minority and am not here to pick any fights or discredit anyone else's love of the film.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I didn't like the score for this. It was rather forgettable and meh.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The editing.

No development whatsoever of Dr. Connors.

Not that much of May(although I do like how she found out similar to Lucius Fox in no one had to tell her, but she used her brain unlike a lot of other people).

 

[TheScarecrow]

I didn't like the score for this. It was rather forgettable and meh.

Oh, this!

I actually really found the score distracting and even annoying at the start. It felt "cheap". By the end of the film, it blended in enough that I did not even remember. But still, wasn't a fan of the score at all.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

So how about the suit? A lot of people on here didn't like it before the release and even I wasn't too thrilled with it. In the movie it looked just fine and dare I say, good. You really don't even see the shoes.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It's better in the film than any stills.

 

["_____"]

I also didnt like what Captain Stacy said to peter before he

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died

It's the exact opposite of what he says in the comics....

 

[Anno_Domini]

[QUOTE="_____";23724611]I also didnt like what Captain Stacy said to peter before he

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died

It's the exact opposite of what he says in the comics....[/QUOTE]

Things change from the comics. Bruce Wayne didn't learn his **** from Ra's al Ghul.

 

[chaseter]

Until he becomes Spider-Man...the movie is boring, dull, and very uninspiring. It also has so many dumb moments like Flash and a skateboarding montage???

I also loved it how people were so happy and excited about this movie being grounded because Peter makes his own costume and literally all he does is google spandex, draw sketches, and then he is Spider-Man...hahahaha.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I ended liking this film a lot more than I'd imagined, but, yeah, I had my problems.

First off, James Horner's score. I know he's a legend, but the score was so awkwardly slipped in at sometimes, like during Connor's conversation with Ratha and Peter's confrontation with Flash. It sounded corny and distracting. There were only a few moments when it sounded great, like Spidey's final dash to Oscorp near the end.

The pacing was a tad slow at times, but not enough to have it be a major flaw. The fact they were treading familiar ground was to blame for this, as we'd sort of seen it before in Raimi's films, to an extent. The angle on his parents is an interesting approach, especially if they develop it the way they did in the Ultimate comics. (Let's face it: we're not going to see them as Shield agents, so having Richard Parker develop Venom is close enough.) However, that was the only real difference. Say they remove that angle, then it's no longer necessary to retell the origin. Everyone knows it already. One of my favorite things about 2008's TIH is that how the origin was resolved in the opening credits, and not dwelled upon it again. Had they done that, and start the film off with him as a young, inexperienced Spidey, then the whole focus of the film would've been his relationship with Connor, improving his overall development. Hell, even with the parents angle, they didn't need to retell the origin. As I said, he could've been up to this for a while, and bumped into it, similar to how he did in the film, and, instead of having it be the cause of his powers, it could've been the catalyst for his friendship with Connors.

I'd originally had more problems with the film in my first viewing, but the second time around, the film felt more fluid, more exciting. Maybe it was because I was exhausted at the midnight show the first time, but overall, I loved the film.

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Oh, and, yeah, the mid-credits sequence didn't click with me or anyone else there. Just imagine if Connors had just yelled "Osborn!" instead. Mid-credits sequences are supposed to give you a glimpse into the future of the franchise. We get nothing from this. We have no idea where it could go, and because of that, the scene just feels random. Imagine if Gordon gave Batman a regular old knife in BB instead of the Joker card, if Thanos hadn't gotten up and shown his face, if Nick Fury hadn't come out of the shadows, etc. The scene is useless if it doesn't reveal or tease anything.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Oh No! Poor wickle Spidey is injured! C'mon guys! Let's line up our cranes to help him swing!
Is this a trope now? Was this in the comics? Why do random humans always end up helping him so much? Stacey & his shotgun counts as well though not as much.

Imagine if you saw this in the Batman, Superman, Iron Man movies.

 

[The Slang]

I didn't like how the Lizard kept instantly regenerating parts of his body. It was almost like watching the 'T-1000' liquid metal robot from Terminator 2, or even Sandman. It was too much.
The Lizard could have been a lot better in general. I think I would have preferred him shorter, with the coat on and done using more practical effects. Real physical effects like puppets, costumes and prosthetics.

I didn't like the skateboarding.