The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[DarknessOfDeath]

For now, to me that I didn't like much was how the Lizard looked in most scenes. I dunno.

But I did enjoy the movie!

 

[SpideyScott]

I didn't like the score whatsoever, absolutely horrible. Raimi definitely one that one for sure.
thought the CGI for the lizard was excellent, that exceeded my expectations. I'm quite content with the look of the lizard.

I feel that ALOT of stuff was cut out of this to fit screen time.

Think it could have done without the skateboarding.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I was fine with the skate boarding. I think it showed that Peter had a propensity for physicality and a little bit of a dare devil attitude, which made the jump from him being a shy loner to a web slinging hero much more organic.

I wasn't a big fan of the score. It was all over the place and a lot of it different from the intended mood of the scenes, I thought. It wasn't BAD. It just wasn't as good as it could of been (and for those of you that wonder, I wasn't a fan of Elfman's score either).

Still didn't really like the design of the Lizard, and the CGI for him was pretty shoddy at times. His voice wasn't that good either - it sounded like a completely different person and accent, not Connors in lizard form. And the first time we meet Connors, the CG for his lost arm was BAD. Every other shot of it was good, though.

It was obvious a lot of scenes were cut, even if you hadn't seen them in trailers. I hope they're included in the blu ray at least, if not a directors cut. Think it'll be a Daredevil situation.

Peter, at times, seemed a little too forceful with Gwen. Trying to force a kiss when she's saying "no, no, no" and him yelling "I ORDER you to leave Oscorp!" bothered me. Other than those two scenes, they were good together.

Loved the movie though. 8/10

 

[Hotwire]

Why do people keep bashing the CGI in this? I didn't seen any CGI that took me out of the film. That's bad CGI, when your seeing something that suddenly takes you out of the film. None of the CGI in this did that for me. Personally, I think everyone is just holding this film to an unobtainable standard.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

I didn't like the pacing at all after Peter becomes Spider-Man. All three fights with Lizard were in such a short space of time! Lizard says he is going after Peter and five seconds later he is breaking through the toilet into the school. Wheres the suspense?

I did like the movie in general though. I just wished it either went with the deliberate pace of the first half or just forsook the origin and embraced just being a balls-out action film.

 

[The Guard]

Couple of issues with some of these beefs people have.

On what planet is this version of Peter Parker this “introverted”? Awkward yes, introverted, no. He’s witty, he’s intelligent, and he’s obviously not invisible to Gwen.

How was the impact of Ben's death on Peter “weak”? Peter went out and sought revenge/justice after Ben was killed. On a grand scale. That is not a small thing. That is much larger an impact on someone’s life than say, “Making money by wrestling”.

Flash Thompson. Kinda' took me outta the movie right at the beginning.

No school today would allow a violent psychopath like that to run around and attack people. He would be expelled. It was ridiculous and over the top.

Also, if the school didn't do anything, someone would have captured the bullying on video and posted it on Reddit.

Then later on he's all lovey dovey on Pete because Ben died. The filmmakers make it seem like we should suddenly like this character. WTH? Such a drastic, unsupported change in character. The Flash in the beginning would have probably been glad to kill Peter if he could get away with it.

This kind of thing happens all the time. I’ve seen bullies who bully…and then are the first to offer consolation. The filmmakers were just showing that Flash wasn't all bad. Because in the comics, Flash isn't. He and Peter end up becoming good friends.

Can someone give me a good explanation as to why Peter didn't show up to the man who saved his life's funeral despite the promise?

Peter felt guilty, and he wasn’t ready to be around her yet with everything that was going on.

-Wasn't clear on the web shooter thing. Did Peter make them or get the material from Oscorp? And if he got the material from them, how did he pay for it?

He made the webshooters himself. He got the web cartridge from OsCorp. He worked there, as Conners’ intern, so one assumes he had access to the tech.

-Peter/Spider-Man not having the final confrontation with the robber.

This will obviously be resolved in a future film.

-No one saying "With great power comes great responsibility".

Nope. They did give it more than a nod, though. And they showed it. In several ways, for several characters.

-Spider-Man taunting crooks; wisecracking is one thing, but it felt too much like taunting.

That’s what it was. Keep in mind, he never knew when he’d run into the man who killed his Uncle. He was using his powers to punish them a bit before he found him.

-Peter evidencing all of these freaky powers and no one seems to say anything or do anything about it. In the Raimi films, Peter's powers made him seem even more of an outcast. But in the new film it made Peter cool or was played for a joke. And the changes in his mood and behavior were largely ignored by the adults.

The public was quite clearly weirded out by what he could do.

And no…the adults were pretty aware of the changes in Peter’s mood and behavior. They just didn’t know what to make of it. But they did try to talk to him and reason with him.

-Aunt May never asking Peter if he's on drugs or wrapped up in gangs. She sobbed too much and wrung her hands.They really did a disservice to Aunt May in the new film.

That’s pretty much what Aunt May does, early in Peter’s career as Spider-Man.

-Peter not having money problems, noticeably at least.

Well, he did take a skateboard to school, not a car.

-Flash's conversion to Peter's buddy. After Peter punked him out he now wants to become his best friend? Didn't feel convincing to me. I can understand him saying something nice to him after Uncle Ben's passing, and maybe laying off him a little, but I think they made Flash way too nice too quickly.

Flash embracing Spider-Man doesn’t mean he’s suddenly a nice guy. It just means he and Peter both liked Spider-Man in that quick sequence. They’re hardly best friends yet.

-Peter using a camera with his name on it to take pictures of the Lizard. And why does he need money from the Daily Bugle for? He seemed to be doing all right financially. I think it was just an awkward way to put the Daily Bugle in the movie.

Pretty sure he was taking photos to prove to Captain Stacy that the Lizard existed in that form, since Stacy didn't believe him.

-Going to Gwen's apartment after he got his ass whipped by The Lizard. I sort of get it, but at the same time, dude you've just been in a sewer. And still not stitched up or showered, Peter decides that then was the time to take Gwen on a swing around the city.

Uh. Yeah. Classic Spider-Man. He’s a teenager.

1)The villain had no motivation.

While it wasn't the best character arc ever, The Lizard had very clear motivaiton:

-Curing genetic imperfections, a motivation he shared with Richard Parker.
-Growing himself a new arm
-Keeping the technology out of Osborn's hands.

Add to that, I never (outside of helping the kid) felt that Peter was much of a heroic individual.

O...k.

3) Spider-man barely exists. While I felt Raimi hardly separated Pete and Spidey, this movie doesn't separate them at all. There is no altered persona or new found confidence, he's just always cocky. Spider-man hardly does anything when he shows up (outside of, again, the kid scene) and he doesn't even save the day. It's like I am watching the struggles of Peter Parker, and that's fine. But I came to see him overcome those struggles, in the form of The Amazing Spider-man. Who's.... well, hardly amazing.

Umm...Spider-Man DID save the day. Several times. He stopped the Lizard's rampage on the bridge, he stopped the Lizard at the school, and he saved the city.

How you can watch his physical feats in this movie and not call him amazing...is beyond me.

 

[FVD]

I guess I do have a couple gripes but I'll learn to live with it.

- Captain Stacy dying. Would have been nice if he discovered Peter as Spider-Man over the course of the Trilogy. Denis Leary was entertaining as always.

- Gwen finding out that Peter is SM already. She too should have learned his secret identity later as well.

Ah well like I said earlier I'll accept it.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Why do people keep bashing the CGI in this? I didn't seen any CGI that took me out of the film. That's bad CGI, when your seeing something that suddenly takes you out of the film. None of the CGI in this did that for me. Personally, I think everyone is just holding this film to an unobtainable standard.

The CGI I mentioned did do this to me.

I don't go into movies looking for bad CGI. But admittedly, I am an artist and work in this field, so perhaps my eye is more attuned to it than your typical movie goer. I found the CGI for Spidey to be excellent. I can't recall a point where I said "oh, he looks bad." But there were several instances where I did say this about The Lizard.

The instances of iffy CGI didn't hurt the film for me - I'm quite forgiving when it comes to this - but it was certainly noticeable.

 

[FrostBite]

While it wasn't the best character arc ever, The Lizard had very clear motivaiton:

-Curing genetic imperfections, a motivation he shared with Richard Parker.
-Growing himself a new arm
-Keeping the technology out of Osborn's hands.



O...k.



Umm...Spider-Man DID save the day. Several times. He stopped the Lizard's rampage on the bridge, he stopped the Lizard at the school, and he saved the city.

How you can watch his physical feats in this movie and not call him amazing...is beyond me.

1) Those were Curt's motivations, I understood Curt's mindset. I'm talking about The Lizard half of him. Yeah, yeah, lizards are superior, let's make everyone a lizard. ...Seriously? I get it, but when I say no motivation, it just seems like the driving force behind his actions are paper thin.

2) ...I'm serious. This Spider-man was the least heroic version I've ever seen (outside of Noir, I suppose). Vigilante? Sure. Great one too. When he's with the kid he's an extremely humbled and caring individual. Something I'd see as heroic.

3) I meant at the end of the movie, where it was more Gwen and her father who kept The Lizard at bay. But sure, you've got a great point with the bridge sequence. He didn't really stop The Lizard at the school so much as The Lizard slithered away back to the sewer, likely before he'd transform back into his weaker half. And sure, we could argue he kept him at bay from attacking other people but he didn't really because The Lizard was there for him and only him.

You know, it's okay for others to see the character differently than you did.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Was there a deleted scene of Connors releasing lizards from the lab or something? It bothered me when all sorts of lizards started crawling all over that are in no way indigenous to NYC.

 

[The Guard]

1) Those were Curt's motivations, I understood Curt's mindset. I'm talking about The Lizard half of him. Yeah, yeah, lizards are superior, let's make everyone a lizard. ...Seriously? I get it, but when I say no motivation, it just seems like the driving force behind his actions are paper thin.

The Lizard half of him was influenced by Curt Conners. Even as Conners, he saw his work as moving toward eliminating genetic imperfections. He saw The Lizard as genetic perfection, and AS The Lizard, obviously he felt this way even more so. And he was disturbed and having issues controlling his baser urges, as dabbling in genetics was a bad idea. Like most of Spider-Man's villains.

2) ...I'm serious. This Spider-man was the least heroic version I've ever seen. Vigilante? Sure. Great one too. When he's with the kid he's an extremely humbled and caring individual. Something I'd see as heroic.

How do you not see his heroism in this film?

3) I meant at the end of the movie, where it was more Gwen and her father who kept The Lizard at bay. But sure, you've got a great point with the bridge sequence. He didn't really stop The Lizard at the school so much as The Lizard slithered away back to the sewer, likely before he'd transform back into his weaker half. And sure, we could argue he kept him at bay, from attacking other people but he didn't really because The Lizard was there for him and only him.

There was some teamwork toward the end, but it was Spider-Man who confronted The Lizard and physically battled him to the point where he could be subdued (with Stacy's help at first). It was Spider-Man who loaded the atmospheric thing with the antidote. It was also Peter who developed the antidote.

The Lizard left the school because Spider-Man had essentially defeated him.

You know, it's okay for others to see the character differently than you did.

It's all well and good to see the character differently. When you don't see the textbook definition of heroism onscreen, and say he's not heroic...there's a bit of an issue.

 

[FrostBite]

Was there a deleted scene of Connors releasing lizards from the lab or something? It bothered me when all sorts of lizards started crawling all over that are in no way indigenous to NYC.

I couldn't say that for certain, but I too found it odd. I'd assume they are from the lab/pets/whatever.

The Lizard was Curt Conners. Even as Conners, he saw his work as moving toward eliminating genetic imperfections. He saw The Lizard as genetic perfection, and AS The Lizard, obviously he felt this way even more so. And he was disturbed, as dabbling in genetics was a bad idea. Like most of Spider-Man's villains.

The movie clearly alludes to the fact that The Lizard had taken over Conners. "If the new DNA is introduced, how much would it overtake the host DNA?" Conners becomes hostile, of split mind, arguing with a second personality and then once the antidote is delivered reverts back to his normal self and saves Peter/tells the mysterious man in his cell to leave him alone. This disturbance is completely null at this point. The Lizard and Conners share the same body, but are of different minds. "This is your brain, this is your brain on lizard DNA."

How do you not see his heroism in this film?

I don't. Sorry. Well, not much of it to say the least.


There was some teamwork toward the end, but it was Spider-Man who confronted The Lizard and physically battled him to the point where he could be subdued (with Stacy's help at first). It was Spider-Man who loaded the atmospheric thing with the antidote. It was also Peter who developed the antidote.

You have a point on the antidote front. You've persuaded me there.

The Lizard left the school because Spider-Man had essentially defeated him.

Lol, hardly. We had seen the entire movie that the transformation is a timed one. Spidey webbed him up a lot and hit him with a bunch of things. The creature was impervious to bullet wounds, having his tail severed and all sorts of bodily damage. He wasn't defeated by ol' webhead, he was stalled from killing him for that point.

It's all well and good to see the character differently. When you don't see the textbook definition of heroism onscreen, and say he's not heroic...there's a bit of an issue.

And there your arrogance shows. Thank you for assuming and interpreting my own stance on what I personally view as heroic. I'm not looking for textbook heroism, I'm looking for a non-self absorbed kid who isn't saving people for thrills or out of guilt, I'm looking for his noble qualities to shine through. This is not a bad thing, nor is it textbook, it's simply a different ideal for a hero than your own. Sorry that I can't appease you there. When he's with the child in the burning car Peter is genuinely caring. That's what I was looking for. You could try to rebute me with a ton of instances where you thought he was a noble human being, but really, it'd be for naught as I've seen it, I enjoyed it, and yet I saw him as a more careless child driven by shame, guilt and anger. No where am I saying he didn't do the right things. I saw the movie as ending it with his final revelation about why he should be doing the things he does, and expect him to be far more heroic in my own world view by the second movie. I took the entire movie as a passage of self-discovery rather than realizing what he has to be responsible for right off the bat. It's still something I didn't like--yeesh. Thus, as you say, it's all well and good to see the character differently. There is no issue here, it is a standpoint met with your inability to accept the fact that someone saw the film differently than yourself. I don't care and appreciate the fact you saw it your way, I'd humbly request that you do the same for my own.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Spiderman gets shot, leaves a handprint of blood on a rooftop.............. then what happened? No explanation?

 

[Hotwire]

The CGI I mentioned did do this to me.

I don't go into movies looking for bad CGI. But admittedly, I am an artist and work in this field, so perhaps my eye is more attuned to it than your typical movie goer. I found the CGI for Spidey to be excellent. I can't recall a point where I said "oh, he looks bad." But there were several instances where I did say this about The Lizard.

The instances of iffy CGI didn't hurt the film for me - I'm quite forgiving when it comes to this - but it was certainly noticeable.

Can you point out a specific scene? That way when I go see this again, I can look for it.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Can you point out a specific scene? That way when I go see this again, I can look for it.

Well, I certainly don't want you to look for flaws, haha, but since you asked, two shots that come to mind are:

Connors' arm: When we're introduced to Connors at Oscorp, there's a shot where the camera holds on Connors' right profile. The folds of his jacket where an arm should be don't make sense if an arm isn't there pushing up against the fabric. The shadow of his stump is also glaringly bad.

I think it's the scene where Connors transforms in his sewer lab and walks off camera, that shot (especially the tail) is horrendous.

There's several more. Honestly, the only time I thought, "wow, that's good" was at the end, where the Lizard is choking Peter with his tail. The tail wrapped around his neck looked great, though that was probably practical. Oh, and where we watch as Connors arm decays after the antidote is released. That was good, too.

 

[FrostBite]

Dang boy, you do have an eye for this, I didn't see any of that!

 

[TheSlag]

1) Would of preferred them playing the Lizard's first appearance as a hoax.

2) No Martha or Billy Connors... think they missed a great opportunity to tie in where they used the kid on the bridge scene, as opposed to Dr. Connors and Billy

3) The Lizard's story. I think they missed another opportunity, again probably tied to 2 above to make this a much more personal storyline involving Peter trying to save Dr. Connors and his family, as opposed to the turn all humans to reptiles.

4) The Lizard Rat... They should of just shown the broken cage and implied without the cheesy CGI. Guess that thing escaped to the sewers? Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtle Trainer maybe

5) Gwen knowing Peter is Spider-Man, and NOT blaming Peter for her father's death.

 

[DACrowe]

Serious issues:

-Lizard is underdeveloped and not really connected to the main plot. He did not have the heft or substance as a villain like Doc Ock, GG, or even Harry/New Goblin.

-No Billy or Martha Connors.

-Letting Uncle Ben's killer get away and dropping that story thread randomly when Lizard shows up never to be mentioned again.

-Not enough development or weight given to Capt. Stacy.

-Peter acting very flaky and selfish around Aunt May.

-A choppy, uneven pace and editing job.

-The musical score didn't really work.

-Not enough scenes or images that just looked awesome in either fight scenes or Peter's relationship with Gwen. It just didn't have the scope I'd want on things like that.

Nitpicks:

-Leaving out "With Great Power..." was just silly and took away an iconic moment from the comics.

-Lizard not having a coat most of the time.

-Needed better fights.

-Skatboarding? Really?

My two cents on this.

 

[Zimmy]

I didn't like the score whatsoever, absolutely horrible. Raimi definitely one that one for sure.
thought the CGI for the lizard was excellent, that exceeded my expectations. I'm quite content with the look of the lizard.

I feel that ALOT of stuff was cut out of this to fit screen time.

Think it could have done without the skateboarding.

I liked the score except for the basketball scene. That was straight up Otis theme from Superman 1.

I was surprised how much was cut from what was seen in the previews. The doorman, the football stuff, etc.

Not the film's fault but I kind of miss the Harry Osborne character.

 

[Immortalfire]

• Aunt May being largely absent
• Peter's motivation for being Spidey isn't very clear
• Like Tobey, Andrew can't keep his damn mask on
• Since when is Peter Parker a skateboarding hipster?

 

[elsewhere]

• Since when is Peter Parker a skateboarding hipster?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

• Peter's motivation for being Spidey isn't very clear

Whaaat? It's pretty much the same story. Spider bite- Uncle Ben dies- vigilante- hero. They even made his dad apart of the spider theme.

 

[Zimmy]

I didn't like the "turn every one into a lizard". Then they never show it again.

 

[Tony Stark]

Spiderman gets shot, leaves a handprint of blood on a rooftop.............. then what happened? No explanation?

That was the other thing that pissed me off. I understand Spidey getting bloodied up by the Lizard, but having him come home everynight beatup from regular thugs. It was like the writers didn't want him to be super powered, but then they show him performing feats of strength like holding up the car.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Flash Thompson. Kinda' took me outta the movie right at the beginning.

No school today would allow a violent psychopath like that to run around and attack people. He would be expelled. It was ridiculous and over the top.

Also, if the school didn't do anything, someone would have captured the bullying on video and posted it on Reddit.

Then later on he's all lovey dovey on Pete because Ben died. The filmmakers make it seem like we should suddenly like this character. WTH? Such a drastic, unsupported change in character. The Flash in the beginning would have probably been glad to kill Peter if he could get away with it.

calling him a violent psychopath seems a bit much, what did he real do, besides throw a ball at Peter and try to shove a kids face into his food...

its not like he was just going around beating people to a bloody pulp

as for him being nice to Peter after Bens death, I kinda felt this was touching on the backstory that they use to be friends when their younger

that an him yelling out "Eugene" to try to stop him from bulling the other kid... to me showed that there was a history to them