The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[Spider Edge]

Except that organic shooters make no goddamn sense, anatomically speaking. Also, he created a webshooter out of old watches and a microchip. I'd say that showed his genius.

well, the concept of a kid getting spider-like powers doesn't really make much sense, either.

and the signature ability of spiders, the ability to produce webbing, is the one power he fails to get?

and if he's not even going to create the web fluid himself, then why bother?? just make it organic.

I still think the best compromise is for him to develop the ability to produce organic webbing ( maybe even shoot it out ). But, he finds it's hard to aim/control, or that it is taxing on his body to constantly fire the webs.

so, he creates the cartridges to store the webs ( so he doesn't have to constantly produce them ). and a mech shooter to aim and control the webs.

the best of both worlds.

as an alternative, I would have made the web fluid formula something his father was working on, but didn't finish or perfect ( similar to the Ultimate Comics story ). Peter finds the formula in his dad's old briefcase and sets out to complete/perfect formula to create the web fluid himself.

it would have been alot better than him copying/reverse engineering the stuff from Oscorp, or, worse, just ordering them off the internet.....

 

[Spider-Who?]

No, that overly complicates things. Organics or Mechs. One or the other.

 

[Eddie Brock]

No, that overly complicates things. Organics or Mechs. One or the other.

Yeah. That's just too strange a compromise, and really makes the organic webbing unnecessary. If he needs mechanical shooters, he might as well have artificial webbing.

 

[Spider Edge]

why does it over complicate things??

it's not that much of a stretch........

 

[Eddie Brock]

It's a stretch. Look, I can accept pseudo-science for the rest of Spider-Man's powers. Increased metabolism means faster healing and accelerated muscle growth, leading to enhanced strength. Enhanced strength leads to incredible leaping. Wallcrawling... well, I don't really know what the official explanation for it is in the comics, but it's not totally insane. Spider-Sense is related to an enhanced sensitivity to vibrations. But webbing? That requires me to believe that:

A. a new organ was created
B. it just so happens to be in the wrists
C. it is activated by pressure on the palm?
D. it is somehow pressurized, explaining why it fires out rather than slowly secretes

Too much.

 

[Themanofbat]

wait......what??

you mean Peter didn't even, at the very least, reverse engineer the web fluids + cartridges?? he just ordered them off the internet??!!

and how did he order on the internet?? credit card?? wouldn't that be traceable?? ( just like how he constantly carries around his smartphone, which probably has some kind of tracking/GPS on it )

and I found it highly ironic that, in TASM, the spiders are specifically genetically engineered to CREATE SUPER STRONG WEBBING!! So, when said spider bites Peter, he transfers all the spider-related powers, except.......wait for it.......wait for it.........SUPER STRONG WEBBING!! y'know......the thing it was specifically created to produce!!

I loved the mech shooters, but, this would have been an obvious excuse for the organic shooters.

Plus, if Peter doesn't even come up with the web fluid + cartridges himself, and instead just orders them from the ******* internet ( or even if he just copies/steals/reverse engineers them from Oscorp ), doesn't that kind of undercut the strongest point proponents of the mech shooters espoused?? that Peter creating the web fluid showed his genius........

Except that organic shooters make no goddamn sense, anatomically speaking. Also, he created a webshooter out of old watches and a microchip. I'd say that showed his genius.

If they really wanted to emphasize his genius, he should have created the webbing as well... just like in the comics...

I liked the fact that he invented his web-shooters... it just didn't feel "right" that he had to buy/swipe/whatever his webbing based on someone else's invention...

Not to mention how easy it would be for someone to simply figure out that Spider-Man is using the OsCorp webbing... once that tidbit is out of the bag, everybody and their dog will be wearing web-shooters... probably better ones than Peter made...

 

[Spider Edge]

It's a stretch. Look, I can accept pseudo-science for the rest of Spider-Man's powers. Increased metabolism means faster healing and accelerated muscle growth, leading to enhanced strength. Enhanced strength leads to incredible leaping. Wallcrawling... well, I don't really know what the official explanation for it is in the comics, but it's not totally insane. Spider-Sense is related to an enhanced sensitivity to vibrations. But webbing? That requires me to believe that:

A. a new organ was created
B. it just so happens to be in the wrists
C. it is activated by pressure on the palm?
D. it is somehow pressurized, explaining why it fires out rather than slowly secretes

Too much.

well, for me, it's not that much of a stretch for organic webbing.

not anymore so than suddenly developing barbed hairs on your hands and feet for sticking ( or somehow altering sub-atomic bonds, as in the comics ).

or developing enhanced muscular/skeletal abilities beyond normal human limits.

or developing a mysterious sixth sense ( did that change his brain somehow? ).

but, personally, I've always been more fond of Julia Carpenter's psionic-type "spider powers."

psionics pretty much cover all bases:

Psionic Webbing

Psychic Spider sense

Psionically bonding to surfaces

Psionically enhancing your stength/speed ( like Psylocke )

 

[Themanofbat]

You know... it's been a few days... and this movie just didn't "wow" me like the first ones... especially SM2... in fact, whenever I talk to my friends about TASM, the topic quickly goes into what was "wrong" with it as opposed to the good things... and the only good things we can all agree on are the fight scenes with the Lizard...

 

[Eddie Brock]

If they really wanted to emphasize his genius, he should have created the webbing as well... just like in the comics...

I liked the fact that he invented his web-shooters... it just didn't feel "right" that he had to buy/swipe/whatever his webbing based on someone else's invention...

Not to mention how easy it would be for someone to simply figure out that Spider-Man is using the OsCorp webbing... once that tidbit is out of the bag, everybody and their dog will be wearing web-shooters... probably better ones than Peter made...

Okay, I challenge you to go buy two old watches and turn them into webshooters. Oh, and use microchips if at all possible. Oh, and make them compatible with cartridges of someone else's design. If you can do that, I'll accept that the webshooters in TASM didn't showcase Peter's genius.

 

[Spider Edge]

You know... it's been a few days... and this movie just didn't "wow" me like the first ones... especially SM2... in fact, whenever I talk to my friends about TASM, the topic quickly goes into what was "wrong" with it as opposed to the good things... and the only good things we can all agree on are the fight scenes with the Lizard...

the fight scenes were about the only thing I liked about the film. I loved the way Spidey moved and used his webbing. That really did feel comic Spidey come to life.

 

[Spider Edge]

Okay, I challenge you to go buy two old watches and turn them into webshooters. Oh, and use microchips if at all possible. Oh, and make them compatible with cartridges of someone else's design. If you can do that, I'll accept that the webshooters in TASM didn't showcase Peter's genius.

the webshooters did show his genius in TASM.

but if you're going to be faithful to the comics and go mechanical, then he should also invent the web fluid himself.

 

[Eddie Brock]

the webshooters did show his genius in TASM.

but if you're going to be faithful to the comics and go mechanical, then he should also invent the web fluid himself.

Maybe Peter isn't a jack-of-all trades. They seemed to present him as more of an engineer (the talk with Uncle Ben in the basement, the automated lock on his door). Just because you're a genius doesn't mean you're good at every scientific field. Maybe chemistry isn't Peter's bag.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Wait, so we're debating how spider powers could make sense? Why even debate. No matter what, it's an impossible thing. They're amazing powers that no one can have. That's the point of them. Your explanations for them act as if they could exist. It's still a far fetched idea that can never happen, no matter how grounded you try to make it. Who cares if the spider sense is somehow connected to vibrations or metabolism with enhanced strength? Who cares about the science? There is no realistic science involved in a man who gets bit by a spider and inherits spider powers.

I mean it, you get bitten by a spider, you inherit all of these spider powers, yet not obtain the ability to shoot webs? So it just starts to be too much when he starts shooting webs because sticking to walls isn't as much of an impossibility I guess.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Wait, so we're debating how spider powers could make sense? Why even debate. No matter what, it's an impossible thing. They're amazing powers that no one can have. That's the point of them. Your explanations for them act as if they could exist. It's still a far fetched idea that can never happen, no matter how grounded you try to make it.

I mean it, you get bitten by a spider, you inherit all these spider powers, yet not obtain the ability to shoot webs? So it just starts to be too much when he starts shooting webs because sticking to walls isn't as much of an impossibility I guess.

Because shooting webs requires a radical physiological change. Nothing about the human body is even remotely built for something like that.

 

[Spider Edge]

Maybe Peter isn't a jack-of-all trades. They seemed to present him as more of an engineer (the talk with Uncle Ben in the basement, the automated lock on his door). Just because you're a genius doesn't mean you're good at every scientific field. Maybe chemistry isn't Peter's bag.

is that why he messed up on the formula he gave to Dr. Connors??!!

Peter seemed to understand all that formula stuff and talking with Connors, so it seemed like he had some kind of aptitude for that stuff.

plus, chemistry was supposed to be Peter's forte in the comics, right?

and, let's say he did just order the web fluid off of the internet......

ummmmm......unless that stuff is extremely affordable ( and I somehow doubt it is )........where did Peter get the money to buy it?? He's not Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark..........

 

[roach]

Because shooting webs requires a radical physiological change. Nothing about the human body is even remotely built for something like that.

or lifting over 10 tons
or sticking to walls
or having an ESP sense

 

[El Payaso]

Great movie. Only thing I didn't like was Lizard talking and Gwen wearing thigh high stocking while dressed as a scientist.


AH, and I HATED this movie wasn't out 10 years ago.

 

[Spider Edge]

Wait, so we're debating how spider powers could make sense? Why even debate. No matter what, it's an impossible thing. They're amazing powers that no one can have. That's the point of them. Your explanations for them act as if they could exist. It's still a far fetched idea that can never happen, no matter how grounded you try to make it. Who cares if the spider sense is somehow connected to vibrations or metabolism with enhanced strength? Who cares about the science? There is no realistic science involved in a man who gets bit by a spider and inherits spider powers.

I mean it, you get bitten by a spider, you inherit all of these spider powers, yet not obtain the ability to shoot webs? So it just starts to be too much when he starts shooting webs because sticking to walls isn't as much of an impossibility I guess.

that's what I'm trying to say. It's fantasy, sci-fi, a comic book movie!!

a man can turn into a giant lizard for crying out loud!

 

[Eddie Brock]

is that why he messed up on the formula he gave to Dr. Connors??!!

He'd been studying it. Smart kid like that's bound to have a great memory.

Peter seemed to understand all that formula stuff and talking with Connors, so it seemed like he had some kind of aptitude for that stuff.

Only after he read Dr. Connors book cover-to-cover. Again, he's a smart kid. I'm sure he can pick up a lot overnight. Doesn't make him an expert in the field.

plus, chemistry was supposed to be Peter's forte in the comics, right?

This isn't the comics.

and, let's say he did just order the web fluid off of the internet......

ummmmm......unless that stuff is extremely affordable ( and I somehow doubt it is )........where did Peter get the money to buy it?? He's not Bruce Wayne.........

Yeah, that's a plot hole. I'll give you that.

or lifting over 10 tons
or sticking to walls
or having an ESP sense

Humans beings can be strong, and human beings have hairs all over their body - hairs, which could presumably be fine-tuned into sensing slight vibrations in the air, giving the effect of ESP. Wallcrawling, I honestly don't understand.

 

[bullets]

Flash Thompson. Kinda' took me outta the movie right at the beginning.

No school today would allow a violent psychopath like that to run around and attack people. He would be expelled. It was ridiculous and over the top.

You should of went to my high school. Flash didn't seem all that bad compared the jerks I went to school with.

 

[roach]

in order for a person to lift that much there needs to be changes to the muscles, tendons and skeletal structure

 

[El Payaso]

Flash Thompson. Kinda' took me outta the movie right at the beginning.

No school today would allow a violent psychopath like that to run around and attack people. He would be expelled. It was ridiculous and over the top.

Also, if the school didn't do anything, someone would have captured the bullying on video and posted it on Reddit.

Then later on he's all lovey dovey on Pete because Ben died. The filmmakers make it seem like we should suddenly like this character. WTH? Such a drastic, unsupported change in character. The Flash in the beginning would have probably been glad to kill Peter if he could get away with it.

He should have asked Peter for his lunch money and stay the same untill the very last scene.

 

[Spider Edge]

I'm not saying Peter needs to be an expert in the field. But, you can't just read some books overnight or study a formula for awhile and "get" that stuff, without having some understanding/knowledge/aptitude for the subject matter. not matter how smart you are.

besides, if you make Peter more of an engineer type, then that makes him more like a Tony Stark. why change the character like that?

 

[Eddie Brock]

in order for a person to lift that much there needs to be changes to the muscles, tendons and skeletal structure

So something something... increased metabolism! Explosion of hormones! It's that easy to explain. In order to explain organic webbing, I have to say, "Okay, so he now he has web-creating organs in his wrists... which don't stick out or anything. And there's a gland or something in his palm as well, and when he presses this gland just the right way it makes his webs shoot out of his wrist... so I guess it's pressurized? Yet he doesn't shoot webs when he makes a fist, so..."

 

[Spider Edge]

in regards to Flash beating up Peter, I found it kind of ironic that a teacher would stop Peter from riding his skateboard in the halls, yet NO AUTHORITY FIGURE came out to stop the beating..........doesn't the school have security or guards. no teacher looked out of his/her window and saw the commotion outside??

especially in this day and age of school shootings and everything...........