The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[Liquidsolidus]

Let's not forget this is a comic book movie about someone getting spider powers when bitten by one, not some documentary into the physics and properties of goalposts :P Of course not everything's gonna be super realistic, but I don't really feel that it needs to be.

 

[Jexx]

No, I'm just saying from what I know goal posts are hollow and aren't solid steel.

Also, I think that if they removed the part where it bent the goal post, but kept the coach part in, it would be better.

And they didn't even try to make the movie 'dark and gritty' they tried to make it grounded. And being yourself doesn't really do anything to make your opinion more 'important' than others.

 

[Liquidsolidus]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm right or anything, and I admit that I'm generally just a big "I like everything" type of person, I just think you guys might be dwelling a bit too much on the goalpost thing :P Again, not trying to bash your thoughts, just putting my two cents out there.

 

[Themanofbat]

The goalpost was just one of the many bad things about this movie...

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Peter testing his web shooters in daylight without a mask. That damn goalpost scene. I thought he could of been funnier. That's about it, I need to see it again.

 

[Just one more]

The goalpost was just one of the many bad things about this movie...

QFT

Can someone please tell me how this was more "grounded" than the other SM movies?

 

[Jexx]

'Quoted For Truth'

Yay, now I know to ignore you since you classify certain opinions as fact.

But asides from that, it's more grounded because it provided a more realistic view of Spider-Man. With realistic character personalities and relationships (something the Raimi trilogy didn't really have), not to mention getting rid of the organic webshooters, but yet still not having the development of the webbing be something Peter did on his own (and certainly not having it suddenly implanted in his mind). It shows something that Peter would be more likely to do at school than in the Raimi movies (a guy like Peter wouldn't do what he did to Flash in SM 2002 if he was really like what his personality was shown to be), and it showed Spider-Man taking massive damage. Sure, it's not completely grounded in reality, Peter still becomes Spider-Man and Connors still becomes The Lizard, but that's expected.

 

[hurley711]

2 things that I felt were so out of place, lazy and downright stupid were Peter jumping through the air like an NBA player destroying the backboard AND catching the football and throwing it back and denting the field goal post......in front of the entire football team. Oh, and he performed both of those stunts the same week Spiderman showed up, and the same week the Lizard just happened to attack his high school. Lazy writing for cheap laughs.

 

[Alt-Josh]

Yeah more than anything the character interaction and emotion felt more genuine and realistic. And stuff like Spider-Man being battered and Aunt May taking notice like a concerned parent would. And there WERE more practical effects. CGI was very prominent but still...

 

[Alt-Josh]

2 things that I felt were so out of place, lazy and downright stupid were Peter jumping through the air like an NBA player destroying the backboard AND catching the football and throwing it back and denting the field goal post......in front of the entire football team. Oh, and he performed both of those stunts the same week Spiderman showed up, and the same week the Lizard just happened to attack his high school. Lazy writing for cheap laughs.

When I first saw the basketball scene I didn't care for it but now I love it. Comic relief DOES have its place. However, the goal post thing felt tacked on and unnecessary.

 

[Jexx]

I think that the football moment would of been a lot better if Peter just threw the ball and it went pretty far, and then the coach would ask if he wanted to play football, and they would of just removed the goalpost thing.

 

[Alt-Josh]

I think that the football moment would of been a lot better if Peter just threw the ball and it went pretty far, and then the coach would ask if he wanted to play football, and they would of just removed the goalpost thing.

Agreed. That way it still shows his spider-sense and strength but not to a ridiculous degree.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I didn't mind the basketball thing, but I would of done it differently. It's got the same problem SM1 had. Peter is discovering his powers in front of everyone.

 

[Themanofbat]

But asides from that, it's more grounded because it provided a more realistic view of Spider-Man. With realistic character personalities and relationships (something the Raimi trilogy didn't really have), not to mention getting rid of the organic webshooters, but yet still not having the development of the webbing be something Peter did on his own (and certainly not having it suddenly implanted in his mind). It shows something that Peter would be more likely to do at school than in the Raimi movies (a guy like Peter wouldn't do what he did to Flash in SM 2002 if he was really like what his personality was shown to be), and it showed Spider-Man taking massive damage. Sure, it's not completely grounded in reality, Peter still becomes Spider-Man and Connors still becomes The Lizard, but that's expected.

It appears we're going to agree to disagree, but I take issue with some of the bolded comments... "a more realistic view of Spider-Man"?... I didn't watch a "more realistic" view of Spider-Man... TASM was a dumbed down version of Spider-Man imo... there were NO relationships in this movie ASIDE from Gwen and Peter, and Peter and Uncle Ben... I felt nothing with Peter & Aunt May... at least, nothing compared to Raimi's Peter & Aunt May... even Gwen's relationship with her father seemingly meant nothing to her... even after death... and what did you want Peter to do in 2002 in regards to Flash... take a beating like in TASM? Yeah... that fight might have been "realistic", but it came off as shameless brutality, and the fact that Eugen wants to be "friends" upon hearing of Pete's uncle's death? Gimme a break... anyone who kicks the **** of another person like that could give a rat's ass about a "death in the family"... in fact, a more realistic approach would have been if Flash was glad that Peter's uncle was dead... why would Flash CARE about Ben's death? ESPECIALLY after such a brutual beating... in the 2002 version, Peter tried to avoid the fisticuffs, and then lashed out with one punch... that scene played out very well in my eyes, as opposed to Air Peter and his basketball antics... christ, that scene was made for 12 year olds... is it more realistic for Peter to humiliate and show off like that? Not my Peter Parker...

Anyhoo, it sounds like you watched a completely different movie than the tripe I watched... and that is disheartening for me as I have been a Spidey fan since 1972, and I wanted this movie to be MY #1 super-hero movie of 2012... instead of the distant 3rd... nonetheless, if you liked it, more power to you... but a lot of us did not. And you have to repsect that... just like I respect the fact that you did.

 

[Jexx]

Uhh.. I never insulted your opinion in any way.

Also, if Flash is supposed to 'realistically' be glad that Peter's uncle is dead, then he's not really human... so thus that's not honestly realistic.

Bullies usually bully to make themselves feel better. Flash probably has some family issues, and bullying is how he handles it.

Notice the "feels good, doesn't it?" line when Peter picks him up and pushes him against the locker? He's essentially telling Peter why he bullies, and that he understand's Peter's pain in some fashion.

Also, Peter and Aunt May had a true relationship in this movie, but most of it was silent. When Aunt May fell asleep on the couch at night, it may of been because she didn't feel like sleeping in the same bed that she slept in with Uncle Ben. Peter then went through the trouble to cover her up so that she wouldn't be cold, showing that he cares about her. He then went out searching for Uncle Ben's killer. The 'silent' talk between them when he comes home beaten, with him saying "You don't have to wait up for me Aunt May" telling her not to worry, that he'll be alright. She knows that something is wrong, tells him to show her his face... "Who does this to you Peter?". He doesn't tell her. She knows that it involves Uncle Ben, but she's not completely sure.

She's still grieving over Uncle Ben, she knows that Peter is grieving over Uncle Ben, and they're both trying to cope with it.

There's the relationship between Peter and George Stacy, with him realizing that Peter took his speech at the dinner to heart, but also wanting him to stay away from Gwen so that she would stay safe. But at the same time, George is so focused on the safety of his daughter, that he fails to realize that asking Peter to keep away from Gwen is just going to add more sorrow to Gwen's life. Losing your father, and breaking up with your first love? He should of made Peter promise to keep a tighter lock on his identity.

Bah, ramblings..

 

[Themanofbat]

Also, if Flash is supposed to 'realistically' be glad that Peter's uncle is dead, then he's not really human... so thus that's not honestly realistic.

If the "realistic" school yard (and I will think that it probably IS realistic... unfortunately) **** kicking that Flash gives Peter shows me that he is incapable of any type of empathy towards Peter... so Flash's "about face" seemed rather unrealistic to me...

 

[Jexx]

I don't think Flash is a sociopath...

 

[Alt-Josh]

Flash's turnaround WAS rather quick and underdeveloped though. I can't argue that. But he was much better than the 2002 Flash. I liked his character arc, it just happened too quick and wasn't given enough screentime.

 

[Jexx]

I think it seemed quick because it wasn't on screen.

After Peter humiliated him, I think that he rethought some things and about how he treated others, and once he heard Peter's uncle died, when Pete's uncle was practically his father...

Flash was a minor character, his character development didn't necessarily need to be shown on screen. If you noticed, he was trying to become friends with Pete at the end of the movie.

Here's a fanfiction that I felt developed the relationship between Peter and Flash fairly well (obviously not canon, it's fanfiction, but still fun): http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8310999/1/Snapshots_Photos_by_Peter_Parker

 

[Alt-Josh]

I think it seemed quick because it wasn't on screen.

After Peter humiliated him, I think that he rethought some things and about how he treated others, and once he heard Peter's uncle died, when Pete's uncle was practically his father...

Flash was a minor character, his character development didn't necessarily need to be shown on screen. If you noticed, he was trying to become friends with Pete at the end of the movie.

Here's a fanfiction that I felt developed the relationship between Peter and Flash fairly well (obviously not canon, it's fanfiction, but still fun): http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8310999/1/Snapshots_Photos_by_Peter_Parker

Eh, the viewer shouldn't have to fill in ALL the blanks. But I do understand what you're saying. And yes I noticed Flash trying to befriend Peter at the end. That's maybe the part that seemed the oddest. I understood Flash having some compassion after Uncle Ben dies, but being all buddy buddy at the end of the movie? Whatever. It doesn't matter that much. I did love Flash being a Spidey fan though. Although that works better when Flash hates Peter at the same time. Irony. t:

 

[Jexx]

Well, I never experienced this, but a previous poster said that the best way to stop a bully from bullying you was to fight back. Essentially on the playground one boy would hit another boy, the other one would hit back, then they would bond and become friends or something. I never experienced it myself, but I assume that poster has..

So.. yah.

I don't go to a public school, in fact, I go to a Mennonite private school (they aren't Amish by the way), so there's really not any actual violence at my school.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I think it seemed quick because it wasn't on screen.

After Peter humiliated him, I think that he rethought some things and about how he treated others, and once he heard Peter's uncle died, when Pete's uncle was practically his father...

Flash was a minor character, his character development didn't necessarily need to be shown on screen. If you noticed, he was trying to become friends with Pete at the end of the movie.

Here's a fanfiction that I felt developed the relationship between Peter and Flash fairly well (obviously not canon, it's fanfiction, but still fun): http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8310999/1/Snapshots_Photos_by_Peter_Parker

Honestly being out of high school only 3 years I say it was just fine. At that age kids change a lot and Peter displayed to Flash he could absolutely kick his ass if he was provoked. He probably tried to befriend Peter because he didn't want that to happen and he had a new respect for him. As for comforting him when his Uncle died, he probably felt guilty, having that revelation you don't know what goes on in someones home, just by seeing them in school.

 

[Jexx]

Well, I am in high school still, just going into my senior year.

So.. yah. I mean, I had my best friend start to avoid me out of nowhere and then he transferred to a different school. Didn't help that his parents hated me for no reason..

 

[Mace Dolex]

The movie was really that dark. The problem this film had was that it was trying to be realistic, yet you have a giant lizard running around. That's where the film sort of falls apart.

And it's hard to make it realistic when you've got a gonzo cast of villians like Spider-Man has that it's hard to translate them well to live action.

 

[Just one more]

'Quoted For Truth'
Yay, now I know to ignore you since you classify certain opinions as fact.

Um, ok. Feel free to ignore me then.

Just don't know how you can continually downplay the Raimi movies and yet praise things like the goalpost scene. I mean if you want to talk about cheese, look no further than that scene.