Assassins Creed 2

[Tron Bonne]

How do you figure? We dont know what they are doing for the next game? So far both games are set far from modern times. So no, i dont think the game would of eventually ended in modern times.

If you kept the same story it would have to, since Desmond's time is when another potentially humanity killing disaster is about to hit. Otherwise, you'd have to write that aspect out all together or rewrite the timeline for this disaster to happen at a much earlier time

 

[ProjectPat2280]

If you kept the same story it would have to, since Desmond's time is when another potentially humanity killing disaster is about to hit. Otherwise, you'd have to write that aspect out all together or rewrite the timeline for this disaster to happen at a much earlier time

Oh, you misunderstood what i meant. I didnt like any of the sci fi elements. I would of preferred if the game were about an assassin during the crusades and then about an assassin during the renaissance. No Desmond, no Abstergo, no aliens as gods, no piece of eden.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No, I got you, I'm just saying you'd have to change the story around since the piece of eden stuff serves as kind of the MacGuffin of the plot. Especially in the second one

 

[ProjectPat2280]

No, I got you, I'm just saying you'd have to change the story around since the piece of eden stuff serves as kind of the MacGuffin of the plot. Especially in the second one

I never said i wanted them to keep the plot the same. The fact that i said i wanted them to drop all of that sci fi stuff should of given that away. Not to say that those sci-fi elements were poor, i just rather of had a more "authentic" game set in these time periods.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I never said i wanted them to keep the plot the same. The fact that i said i wanted them to drop all of that sci fi stuff should of given that away. Not to say that those sci-fi elements were poor, i just rather of had a more "authentic" game set in these time periods.

Well, when I said this:

It still would have ended in modern times if you kept the same basics of the story even if you didn't introduce the modern story first.

Your reply sounded like you didn't get that or something, since you said "How do you figure?" and then said about how everything was set so far from modern times and all that. Kind of implied you wanted to see the same plot just dropping a certain element.

Though the first game's story was really weak until the end, and without the pieces of eden stuff the second would have probably turned into a rather generic revenge story.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Your reply sounded like you didn't get that or something, since you said "How do you figure?" and then said about how everything was set so far from modern times and all that. Kind of implied you wanted to see the same plot just dropping a certain element

Ah, got ya. I probably should of been more clear and said i wanted them to drop all sci fi elements which would of meant them dropping the whole eden idea. I also think the fact that you said it would of ended up in the modern age anyway kind of threw me off as i thought u were saying that by the 3rd game they would of eventually progressed the time from the crusades up to the current time.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Though the first game's story was really weak until the end, and without the pieces of eden stuff the second would have probably turned into a rather generic revenge story.

True. I guess ill take a generic revenge story over a generic sci fi story tho. The whole idea of aliens as gods isnt really all that unique.

Im not saying remove all the sci fi stuff and then give me whats left over, i mean id like them to craft an alternate story, just instead of any sci fi elements give me some historical fiction or something.

Its all moot tho any way. We have what we have and im happy with the series.

 

[Tron Bonne]

True. I guess ill take a generic revenge story over a generic sci fi story tho. The whole idea of aliens as gods isnt really all that unique.

The sci fi story wasn't all that generic, the whole idea of revisiting ancestor's through simulated realities is pretty unique as far as I know. Well, I'm sure it's been done before, but it's not really something you see very often at least.

Until the whole aliens as gods things anyway, in which case, well, yeah...yeah

 

[ProjectPat2280]

The sci fi story wasn't all that generic, the whole idea of revisiting ancestor's through simulated realities is pretty unique as far as I know. Well, I'm sure it's been done before, but it's not really something you see very often at least.

Until the whole aliens as gods things anyway, in which case, well, yeah...yeah

Yea thats true, the animus thing was pretty neat, but i guess i was referring more to what went on when Desmond was inside, the aliens/gods thing.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm so sick of people complaining about how the ending to AC 2 wasn't original or unique...
If you take a part of the game in isolation, sure its unoriginal... Free roam, sword play, revenge story, assassinating, but when you consider everything in one go, its got to be one of the most bloody unique game out there! A sci-fi, where a normal guy accesses his genetic memory to visit different ancestors through periods of time, where free roam, adventuring and swordplay helps you uncover great historical conspiracies, regarding magical and powerful artefacts, that trace back to a greater power not from this world.

Theres quite alot going on there. I think you're both nitpicking to be honest. Some of the best games out there are a hell of a lot more unoriginal that that. Name you're favourite games, and lets compare them for originalities sake.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

The end really grabbed me actually. I'm really intrigued to see where this story is going.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I'm so sick of people complaining about how the ending to AC 2 wasn't original or unique...
If you take a part of the game in isolation, sure its unoriginal... Free roam, sword play, revenge story, assassinating, but when you consider everything in one go, its got to be one of the most bloody unique game out there! A sci-fi, where a normal guy accesses his genetic memory to visit different ancestors through periods of time, where free roam, adventuring and swordplay helps you uncover great historical conspiracies, regarding magical and powerful artefacts, that trace back to a greater power not from this world.

Theres quite alot going on there. I think you're both nitpicking to be honest. Some of the best games out there are a hell of a lot more unoriginal that that. Name you're favourite games, and lets compare them for originalities sake.

The ending to AC2 wasnt original tho, so you can be sick of people complaining all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the ending wasn't anything new. You just answered why the ending seemed so, 'been there done that'. You have this game that does all these things that we havent really seen before(the animus etc) and then you slap a cookie cutter ending on there. After everything i just went through in the 2 games, i expected something much more, but got something iv seen and heard about a billion times over.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Theres quite alot going on there. I think you're both nitpicking to be honest. Some of the best games out there are a hell of a lot more unoriginal that that. Name you're favourite games, and lets compare them for originalities sake.

Who's this 'both'? I just got finished saying how the animus idea is pretty unique no more than two posts up from this and defending it when Pat referred to it as 'generic'. Though, yeah, the idea of aliens mistaken for gods/aliens as god isn't an original idea at all, there's really no getting away from that. And unoriginal =/= bad automatically or anything, so I don't get the fuss

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Teardrop! He is calling YOU out.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Teardrop! He is calling YOU out.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Its been nice knowin ya Wolvieboy.

I'll try and make sure its a good funeral at least.

 

[Paradox1]

I have no problem with the ending because it went in line with the first game.The first game clearly hinted at what would come next. If you payed attention to the first game at all as far as story you knew what was coming. The piece of Eden that Altair found wasn't magical,nor spirtual and there was this whole buildup of truths being twisted to in slave the minds of the people. I'm also in favor of the character arc of Desomond coming to a wrap. I don't think he's quite ready to do whats needed of him so another ancestor is fine by me.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm also in favor of the character arc of Desomond coming to a wrap. I don't think he's quite ready to do whats needed of him so another ancestor is fine by me.

Well, I'm pretty sure they've peg this series as a trilogy, so if Desmond is going to do something, it'll be in the next game

 

[Paradox1]

Well, I'm pretty sure they've peg this series as a trilogy, so if Desmond is going to do something, it'll be in the next game

It doesn't have to be a trilogy I mean take for example Harry Potter what is he on number 4 with 5 on the way. Who really knows when that character arc will come to an end. However they could prolong it for at least another game there are tons of excuses. One Ezio and Altair were bad ass assassins but Desmond still needs training in more modern techniques of assassination as well as technology. I like the hidden blades but they stand no chance against guys with automatic weapons if he's at least 10ft away.

 

[Tron Bonne]

It doesn't have to be a trilogy I mean take for example Harry Potter what is he on number 4 with 5 on the way. Who really knows when that character arc will come to an end. However they could prolong it for at least another game there are tons of excuses. One Ezio and Altair were bad ass assassins but Desmond still needs training in more modern techniques of assassination as well as technology. I like the hidden blades but they stand no chance against guys with automatic weapons if he's at least 10ft away.

Well, as I said, I'm pretty sure Ubi has stated this as a trilogy. They could extend it, but with the way the second game ended, it would be kind of a tough sell to get off on another training session, in my opinion.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The ending of AC2 is great, anyone that say otherwise is.....well....is not going to be happy no matter what, because everything was already invented one way or the other, there is no originality left, so....you guys are just reading way too much on it.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I liked the ending in "They've lost their minds" sort of way.

The bit with Desmond at the end made up for the sheer insanity of what had just happened with some kewlness if you will.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

But the best it´s exactly the last thing before the credits a.k.a. "Desmond bit".
After the all aliens stuff, Desmond wakes up and goes....WTF?

 

[Tron Bonne]

The ending of AC2 is great, anyone that say otherwise is.....well....is not going to be happy no matter what, because everything was already invented one way or the other, there is no originality left, so....you guys are just reading way too much on it.

First, just because you dislike one thing doesn't mean you won't like anything else, that's something really silly to say. And no one is 'reading way too much' into anything, basically all that really happened is a single observation that got all overblown by someone else.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Its been nice knowin ya Wolvieboy.

I'll try and make sure its a good funeral at least.

I've tiffed with Teardrop and lived before, so don't worry about me Spidey fan... and stay the hell away from my funeral arrangements lol :P

I know what you mean Teardrop, its hard to avoid the cliche of the Aliens/Gods, but I still think it worked within the context of the game... The dialogue was well written, and i got chills when she mentioned Desmond. You have to admit, its pretty cool that the whole future for Desmond was preordained THAT long ago. I agree that it was done before, but as part of an otherwise very unique package, it hardly phased me.

Lol, and Teardrop, I know we tend to disagree about a few things, but you're still one of the few people on the hype these days who seems to be willing to have an interesting discussion, without being blinded by fanboyism lol.

That goes for you too Pat, unless we're talking Uncharted, in which case you're horribly Biased lol. (Btw, on that subject, I think Uncharted had way more cliches than AC 2. Still awesome, but lets face it - Cliche city limits )