Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event - Part 3

[runawayboulder]

If you want to see the Dark Phoenix Saga remade well read Uncanny X-Force: Dark Angel Saga. Rick Remender knew not how to toss characterization out the window to advance the plot.

I hope and pray he gets the next event. Hopefully something with a real villain.

 

[javi1024]

and did Jean ever show up???
You'd think this would attract her attention

Spoiler

Jean appeared in front of Scott, reached out to him from the White Hot Room, and ultimately was the one to pull the Phoenix Force from him to give to Hope. The best part of that was in the Uncanny tie-in. Scott is thinking to himself during all these events, and when that happens he says something like "A voice spoke to me...She calls me an idiot."

 

[roach]

I hope and pray he gets the next event. Hopefully something with a real villain.

this is what pains me about Marvel...the heroes show more ingenuity and persistance when fighting each other.

 

[Manic]

A notorious supervillain is on the move again? Well, we can't hunt them down until they've actually done something, and we can't cross the line in how far we'll go to stop them. After all, if we start circumventing the law, what makes us better than them?

A colleague and fellow crime-fighter I've worked with several times doesn't want to sign up for a government database? THEN I MUST CREATE AN EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL PRISON AND HOLD THEM THERE WITHOUT TRIAL!! ROB MY BEST FRIEND'S GRAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA CLONE OURSELVES UP A MURDER-GOD!!!! MOO HOO HA HA!!

 

[Shockdingo]

Ugh...at first I avoided this event like the plague because I could forsee a crapdraft on the horizon. Then, I heard about the Xavier thing and after seeing the ending (lackluster battle and Deus Ex Machina O-rama) I can't believe this was a thing. This was horrible. I mean seriously horrible. I've always liked Scott and Wolverine, even back in the times as a kid it was "uncool" to like Cyclops. For years I've had the fear that they're dumping on him to build Logan up. With X3, his demotion in Wolverine and the X-men, and now this, it's pretty apparent that this is happening.

I mean seriously, it's like some of you said, they bend over backwards for Wanda and Jean. Look, in this issue, they approach Wanda's past a bit by way of a minor scuffle, and that's the end of it! I mean seriously, the fact that WANDA helps to save the day ultimately makes me want to puke on a kitten or something.

Please God, give Remender the next event. The man cares about continuity and delivers consistently. With his bigger push, maybe what comes next wont be so painful...

I'm just so disappointed about how this came about...

 

[runawayboulder]

You know honestly, I could live without an event next year. If you look at Remender's work on Uncanny X-Force he already kinda did one event, The Dark Angel Saga, and is in the midst of a second, Final Execution. It's the way he structures his stories to span 8-14 issues.

I'd prefer an event that just runs through all the major Avenger titles and maybe even mix in FF or a key solo book. Unfortunately, Marvel will never use that strategy again because it costs them 50 bucks per fan.

 

[flash13]

AVX was the crappiest Marvel event I've read since Shadowland.

 

[roach]

"No More Events"

 

[chamber-music]

"No More Events"

Preach

 

[roach]

"I ya say from the bottom of my soul to the tops of the trees...no more events"

 

[Shockdingo]

Yes!!!!! Yesss! No more!

 

[roach]

However the thing is if we want No More Events we have to stop buying them. Marvel is event driven right now. The events are ruling the stories instead of the stories ruling the events. I am an old school X-Men fan from the 80's and the events that I remember and love were ones where the events naturally occurred from the story. Look at Dark Phoenix Saga. That was an event that wasnt an event. It was a natural progression of the story. Jean became Phoenix in issue 101 in 1976 and she died in issue 138 in 1980. Claremont have 4 years to cultivate this story and tell it. This is a commitment to the story that Marvel doesnt have right now.
I keep using Claremont's X-men as an example because to me this was the pinnacle of comic book storytelling. He had his run planned out for hundreds of issues and seeded them with story lines he could use in the future. Are any of the current writers planning out that far?
No.
They can't.
Because the new hot event might erase all the hard work of setting up their series. Marvel needs to get back to telling stories instead of selling comics.

 

[Manic]

I feel sorry for Peter David. There's a man who tries to plan his X-Factor stories for the long term, and it sometimes just doesn't work out. I remember when that title was balls deep in its first Isolationist story, but it had to be brought to an abrupt end because Messiah Complex was about to happen. And remember when Layla Miller's power was to see multiple possible futures, which was why Rictor gave her the name Butterfly? But then David was forced to get rid of her during Messiah Complex and wasn't allowed to bring her back to the present day until retconning the reason she knew the future into "she met her future self who told her everything up until this point."

 

[Anubis]

Buncha boos**t is what it is.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I feel sorry for Peter David. There's a man who tries to plan his X-Factor stories for the long term, and it sometimes just doesn't work out. I remember when that title was balls deep in its first Isolationist story, but it had to be brought to an abrupt end because Messiah Complex was about to happen. And remember when Layla Miller's power was to see multiple possible futures, which was why Rictor gave her the name Butterfly? But then David was forced to get rid of her during Messiah Complex and wasn't allowed to bring her back to the present day until retconning the reason she knew the future into "she met her future self who told her everything up until this point."

Yeah I agree. David took a crap character, made her actually interesting (no bad characters only bad writers) and then had to change it up again. They should just put david in charge of the X-Men and let him run things, he actually makes the mutants under his control seem fun and interesting.

 

[Manic]

As awesome as David is, they wouldn't. His books sell terribly.

 

[moraldeficiency]

People just hate awesome.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I prefer to call his book boring. The first two years were great, the baby issue was amazing, the rest of the series has been mediocre or worse (mostly worse).

 

[Havok83]

I prefer to call his book boring. The first two years were great, the baby issue was amazing, the rest of the series has been mediocre or worse (mostly worse).

IA. I lost interest after Messiah Complex. I really hate that he lost Quicksilver to the Avengers bc thats about the time I stopped caring for his book. I really liked what he was donig with Pietro

 

[Aesculapius]

I have no problem with events. What I do have problem with is having characters act uncharacteristically just to make the threat seem more serious and just outright cutting sense out of the plot. There were so many great ideas in this story arc that were written so poorly it's frustrating.

And they took back their deus ex machina to reduce the ridiculous amount of mutants in the Marvel Universe? Why? That in itself wasn't a written masterpiece, but it did it's job.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I have no problem with events. What I do have problem with is having characters act uncharacteristically just to make the threat seem more serious and just outright cutting sense out of the plot. There were so many great ideas in this story arc that were written so poorly it's frustrating.

And they took back their deus ex machina to reduce the ridiculous amount of mutants in the Marvel Universe? Why? That in itself wasn't a written masterpiece, but it did it's job.

So to put it another way, you have problems with most events.

But I agree, there have been great ideas just poorly executed.

 

[Aesculapius]

So to put it another way, you have problems with most events.

Hahaha that's harsh.

But no, I actually like the idea of events. I was pretty excited for this one, in fact until I was halfway through reading it I still thought it was a good idea.

I was looking forward to epic battles with complex moral ambiguity, not a shark jumping competition, in other words.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Hahaha that's harsh.

But no, I actually like the idea of events. I was pretty excited for this one, in fact until I was halfway through reading it I still thought it was a good idea.

I was looking forward to epic battles with complex moral ambiguity, not a shark jumping competition, in other words.

Agreed with everything you wrote, plus I like the cut of your jib.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

X-Factor's been non-stop awesome since it began. That is all.

 

[moraldeficiency]

X-Factor's been non-stop awesome since it began. That is all.

Yep, most of David's work really. Loved his hulk and spider-man as well.